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Image:Sport 8ball.png Welcome to WikiProject Cue sports. Some Wikipedians have formed this collaboration resource and group dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of cue sports (pool, snooker and billiards) and the organization of information and articles on this topic. This page and its subpages contain their suggestions and various resources; it is hoped that this project will help to focus the efforts of other Wikipedians interested in the topic. If you would like to help, please join the project, inquire on the talk page and see the to-do list below.

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[edit] Goals and scope

Goals
Scope

The scope of this WikiProject may be relatively hands-off in the case of cue sports subtopics that already have their own "child" WikiProjects (e.g., WikiProject Snooker), whom this WikiProject will work closely with.

[edit] Ongoing activities

WikiProject Cue sports Work in Progress: edit · history · watch · refresh
Overall status
33%: Basic project structure complete, some but not all needed templates created, category structure complete, many missing or incomplete key articles identified, much article cleanup done.
News and results
Proposals
  • Two guideline proposals are available, one on notability and one on spelling conventions. See the "Guidelines" section for details.

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[edit] Open tasks

To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports: edit · history · watch · refresh
Top priorities — Fix Kelly Fisher, Chicago (pool). Fix stubs in SD/AfD danger.
Here are some tasks you can do:


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[edit] Guidelines

[edit] Authoring & editing

[edit] Spelling conventions

All articles and categories within the scope of this WikiProject should adhere to certain WikiProject Cue sports article and category spelling conventions (Don't worry, it has nothing to do with UK vs. US English!). The super-short version:

  • The game is "nine-ball" (likewise eight-ball, one-pocket, etc.) — not "9-ball". (Exception: "blackball" is fully compounded, almost universally)
  • Non-compound-noun game names are not hyphenated (bank pool, carom billiards, English billiards, straight rail)
  • The ball is "the 9 ball" (likewise the 15 ball, the cue ball, the solid balls, etc.) — not "the 9-ball" or "the nine ball".
  • Scores and rankings are given as numbers, per long-standing sports statistics tradition — "1st place", "3–2 victory", "ranked number 45".
  • Other numbers should be spelled out: "a six ball game-ending run on the 9 ball in the fourth round of the match, to finish for a 5th place finish", or "the number twelve shakebottle pill was right next to the 9 ball, and I don't know why it was there because we were playing nine-ball; maybe it's because we'd already had seven beers each and had been playing for four hours".
  • Don't use (gramatically optional) compound adjective hyphenation with numbers, as it is too easily confused with a game name — not "a nine-ball run", even if you would write "a highly-skilled player".

Please see the actual [draft] guideline for more details and the rationale for this level of consistency control; it genuinely is important for article intelligibility, especially for non-native English speakers.

[edit] Notability

Please read and follow the WikiProject Cue sports notability recommendations and advice on compliance with Wikipedia Policies and Guidelines (This is not an Official Wikipedia Notability Guideline, but following it may well save your article from deletion.) The super-short version:

  • If he/she/it isn't important, don't make an article (or section) on that topic.
  • Don't pollute articles with games you and your friends made up, rules variants peculiar to your home town, novelty games, gimmick equipment, spam or non-neutral statements.
  • There's no need to split out into an article everything that possibly could be an article; no one needs a four sentence "article" about chalk.

[edit] Use the Glossary to make links

Articles within the scope of this Wikiproject will inevitably be using terms of art specific to the cue sports. A good resource for making links to words that are not self-explanatory for the uninitiated is the Glossary of cue sports terms. In order to make such links, a special template is used, as follows:

{{Cuegloss|Word or phrase you are linking, exactly as its heading appears in glossary|word or phrase you want to display}}

Thus, if one wanted to wikify "stakehorse", the following markup would be employed: {{Cuegloss|Stake/stakehorse|stakehorse}} (because the entry for "stakehorse" in the Glossary is "Stake/stakehorse"), which when saved would look like this: stakehorse.

Using the glossary to define terms will greatly reduce redundant "definitionitis" in article after article, enable newcomers to the topic to find consensus-edited definitions in a central location, and keep old hands from becoming bored to tears reading things they already know. However, try to avoid overloading articles with specialized terms; people should not have to use the glossary several times per paragraph to understand an article.

[edit] Article "templates"

To the extent possible, all cue sports articles should be based on the WikiProject Cue sports basic article template or a more specific one [forthcoming] (That said, these templates are only suggestions, not an official Wikipedia Guidlines. The templates are [will be] here to help you focus and to get you going, especially if you aren't yet certain what to write or in what order, or where to begin. But mainly, we just want you to write articles!)

[edit] Cue sports conceptual hierarchy

Cue sports articles and categories will be arranged in relation to each other by way of the following hierarchy. This hierarchy is not perfect in every way for every conceptual purpose, but is entirely adequate for our purposes here. Note that some items appear more than once; see in-section footnotes for explanations. See "Major articles" and "Major categories" for extant actual major articles and categories.

Key:
[Bracketed] items show relationships to other sports probably not within the scope of this WikiProject.
Italics indicate a relationship that may be relevant to articles (e.g., History sections), but will not be represented in categoryspace.
Bold indicates the five main divisions of cue sports for Wikipedia article & category purposes (plus a bolded entry for the overarching topic itself).
  • [Ancient non-team lawn games]
  • [Modern non-team lawn games (lawn bowling, horseshoes, golf, bocce, croquet, etc.)]
  • [Non-cued indoor adaptations of non-team lawn games (bowling, shuffleboard, curling, etc.)]*1
  • Cue sports (i.e. cued indoor adaptations of non-team lawn games)
  • Ancestral early variants using a mace instead of a modern cue*2
  • Obstacle billiards
  • Bar billiards
  • Bumper pool
  • Bagatelle
  • (other variants)
  • Carom (carambole, pocketless) billiards*3
  • Pocket billiards*4
  • [Non-cue tabletop ball(s)-and-obstacles games (pachinko, pinball, etc.)]
  • Carom (carambole, pocketless) billiards*3
  • Straight rail
  • Balkline games
  • Three-cushion
  • English billiards*5
  • (other variants)
  • Pocket billiards*4
  • Pool*6
  • Nine-ball
  • Seven-ball
  • Ten-ball
  • Eight-ball
  • Blackball
  • One-pocket
  • Bank pool
  • Finger pool*1 (?? or is this actually a carom game ??)
  • (other variants)
  • English billiards*5
  • Snooker*7
  • (other variants)
  • Snooker*7
  • [Ancient board games]
  • [Non-cued disk-flicking games]
  • Table-top cue games
  • Carrom (cued variants)
  • Novuss
  • Crokinole (cued variants)

*1 Finger pool, though technically a non-cue game is a direct descendant of billiards, and uses otherwise identical equipment.
*2 To be covered in Cue sports#History; not enough can be said (and cited) about this to warrant a separate article. On the slim chance that this does spawn enough articles for a category, that category should be at the same level as carom, obstacle, pocket and snooker under cue sports.
*3 Carambole games evolved from pre-bagatelle, croquet-like tabletop obstacle games. Within categoryspace and for most purposes in articlespace it is treated as one of the four main divisions of cuesports.
*4 Pocket billiards began as a variant of obstacle billiards.
*5 English billiards is a hybrid carom/pocket game, and we treat it as a variant of both equally. Same goes for Cowboy (billiards) and Bottle pool.
*6 Though not one of the four main subcategorizations of cue sports for our purposes, pool is obviously one of the top subjects and will likely represent the bulk of the articles in the cue sports articlespace. It is not ranked with snooker at the top level under cue sports, because it does not have the consistency and monolithic subculture that snooker does, it is a blanket term for a class of games played with pool equipment (eight-ball, nine-ball, etc.), and the terms "pocket billiards" and "pool" are used as synonyms in the industry.
*7 Historically and technically, snooker is a variant of pocket billiards. However, as an organized sport and subculture it has a life of its own and does not significantly overlap with any other form of cuesports, even the closely-related pool and English billiards.

[edit] Avoid creating unnecessary articles

For instance, unless someone has a wealth of reliably sourced information about the composition, history, importance, differences between different kinds, alternatives to, etc., etc., of cue chalk, then we almost certainly do not need to create a Chalk (cue sports) article.

[edit] Do split articles that are getting unwieldy

The entire topic of cue sports aside from snooker was once represented mostly by a single long article at Billiards (now Cue sport). It was sensibly broken up into sub-articles and that work is still ongoing. So, for example if the eight-ball article becomes unwieldy and there is enough sourced material available about blackball, consider splitting the article into two. Note: This was actually done in March 2007, making the example particularly salient.

[edit] Don't unnecessarily duplicate lots of informaton

Articles about games or specific classes of games, for example, do not need to reiterate the entire history of cue sports, just the history of that particular variant. Likewise, we do not need wholesale reiterations of basic concepts, such as racking, lagging, etc. Use the {{Cuegloss}} template as much as possible (without creating redundant wikilinks in the same article; only the original introduction of a term needs such a wikilink in most cases.)


[edit] Articles within this WikiProject's scope

See "Cue sports conceptual hierarchy", above, for organizing principles.

‡ = Principally the work of someone not connected with the project, or of WikiProject Snooker.

[edit] Major articles

These are the largest of the cue sports "master" articles, from which many other articles descend. Not surprisingly, the list bears a strong resemblance to the organization of the cue sports categories.

Important supporting articles

[edit] Featured Article former candidates

[edit] Wikipedia Version 1.0 articles

[edit] Wikipedia Release Version (0.7) articles

[edit] Assessed/Peer-reviewed A-Class articles

[edit] Good Articles

[edit] Good Article former candidates

[edit] Assessed/Peer-reviewed B-Class articles

[edit] "Did You Know?" articles

[edit] New articles

Please feel free to list your new cue sports-related articles here (newer articles at the bottom, please). Listings will removed as they age, unless they still need serious cleanup.

Any new articles that have an interesting or unusual fact in them, are at least over 1,000 characters, don't have any dispute templates on them, and cite their sources, should be suggested for the Did you know? box on the Wikipedia Main Page.

Somewhat new (or newly discovered), in need of cleanup
Very recent

[edit] Unsourced stubs and articles in danger of deletion

Consider it a high priority to add at least one reliable source to each of articles (properly – use <ref name="something-unique">{{Cite web| DETAILS HERE}}</ref> to provide source details and provide references for speicfic facts, inline in the article) and then remove it from the list.


[edit] Categories within this WikiProject's scope

See "Cue sports conceptual hierarchy" for organizing principles.

[edit] Major categories

These are the largest of the cue sports "master" articles, from which many other articles descend. Not surprisingly, it bears a strong resemblance to the organization of the hierarchy.

[edit] New categories

Please list any new cue sports-related categories here, at the bottom. Listings may be removed after 30 days. It is advised to discuss the idea of creating new major categories on the talk page before creating them (categories cannot be renamed as easily as articles).

[edit] Project Resources

[edit] Templates

[edit] Fill-in-the-blanks default articles

  • Cue sports article template [forthcoming]
 Please help improve this section by expanding it.
Further information might be found on the talk page or at requests for expansion.


[edit] Talk page banners

This banner should be placed below any more specific ones (e.g. for WikiProject Snooker) and above any less specific ones (e.g. for WikiProject Sports). If it's a bio, add one for WP:WPBIO too - just copy-paste the code block below. If it's a film, the WP:FILM tag should be above ours. Also, they won't look squished the way they do in the table below, don't worry. Adding the DEFAULTSORTs as shown below will help us keep things organized and manageable.

Code What it looks like Where to use
{{WikiProject Cue sports}}

[other banners]
{{DEFAULTSORT:Article name here}}
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Cue sports, a project to improve Wikipedia's coverage of pool, carom billiards and other cue sports. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this talk page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
(It won't really be squished like this of course.)
 On talk pages of non-bio cue sports articles (other than snooker articles — use {{WikiProject Snooker}} instead). DEFAULTSORT must come after all project banners and such (but before any cleanup categories) or it won't work. Do include it, as it helps sort articles in our internal categories, instead of having them all under "T" for "Talk:..."
{{WikiProject Cue sports}}

{{WPBiography |small=yes |sports-work-group=yes |living=yes |needs-photo=yes |class=Stub |priority=Low}} [other banners]
{{FindSources|Most-common-given-name Family-name}}
{{DEFAULTSORT:Family-name, Given-names}}

 Same as above, and the WP:WPBIO tag will also show up, below it, along with some hints about finding sources. On talk pages of biographical cue sports articles (other than snooker articles — use {{WikiProject Snooker}} instead). Notes: Remove "|living=yes" if deceased, and adjust the "|class" and "|priority" parts as needed. DEFAULTSORT must come ''after'' all project banners and such (but before any cleanup categories) or it won't work. Also, use <code><nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:Familyname, Given names}} in article too, immediately above the first category, and put stubs at end, and you won't need to do any "|Familyname, Given names" stuff after the category names. Some editors feel that {{WPBiography}} should come before {{WikiProject Cue sports}} to make the WP:BLP notice come first, others feel that the more-specific WikiProject banners should precede less-specific ones.
{{WikiProject Cue sports 2}}

Template:WikiProject Cue sports2

 On talk pages of cue sports non-articles — templates, categories, etc. (other than snooker pages — use {{WikiProject Snooker 2}} instead).

[edit] Stubs

Put stubs at very end of page, after categories and language transwikis, with two blank lines before them; this will prevent them running up against the nav box when the page renders.

Code What it looks like Where to use
{{Cue-sports-stub}}
This cue sports-related article is a stub. You can help WikiProject Cue sports by expanding it.
 On stub articles related to cue sports (except if snooker-related — use {{Snooker-stub}} instead.)
{{Cue-sports-bio-stub}}
This cue sports-related article is a stub. You can help WikiProject Cue sports by expanding it.
 On stub articles related to cue sports players and non-player personalities (except if snooker-related — use {{Snooker-bio-stub}} instead. )

[edit] Navigation

Code What it looks like Where to use
{{Cue sports nav}}
v • d • e
Cue sports
Pocket billiards (pool)
Carom billiards
Other games
Resources

(Depending on your browser, this may look smaller than the real thing will)		 On the bottom of all relevant article pages.

[edit] Infoboxes

 Please help improve this section by expanding it.
Further information might be found on the talk page or at requests for expansion.
Code What it looks like Where to use
{{Infobox pool player}}
Use {{Infobox Snooker player}} for now.
{{{Name}}}
At top of every pool player article. Draft version is here.
{{Pool tournaments}}
Image:Chalk stub.png
Pool tournaments
WPA World Nine-ball Championship
IPT Masters Eight-ball Championship
Mosconi Cup
World Cup of Pool
Ranking tournaments
WPA Asian Nine-ball Tour
Another regional one
Another regional one
Other tournaments
An amateur one
Another amateur one
Related sports
Snooker
Carom billiards
On every pool tournament main page. Draft version is here.

[edit] Userbox

You might like to add a userbox to your userpage:

Code What it looks like Where to use
{{User WikiProject Cue sports2}}
This user is a member of WikiProject Cue sports
On your user page (or your userbox subpage).

[edit] Inline in article text

[edit] Convenient time-savers

  • {{Cuegloss|Entry to link to|text to link from}} — Used for convenient wikilinking of a term in an article to the appropriate #-linkable entry in the Glossary of cue sports terms without having to type such a long wikilink name. Please do not "subst:" this template. Example usage: {{Cuegloss|Break|break shot}} is the equivalent of [[Glossary of cue sports terms#Break|break shot]].
  • =={{subst:Cue sports heading}}== — Used to quickly create section headings for cue sports in the "year in sports" articles (e.g. 1965 in sports). This template should be subst'd.
  • Flag templates (with and without country names/abbreviations) for tournament results tables, champions lists, etc., are available from WikiProject Flag Template, and are much easier to use than [[image:Filename.svg|size|etc.]] [[Country Name]] manual coding. Please review WP:FLAGCRUFT about avoiding overuse and abuse of these templates (it is not an official guideline yet, but it probably will be).

[edit] Reference citation shortcuts

  • {{Shamos1999}} - used inside <ref name="Shamos1999"></ref> to cite Mike Shamos's The New Illustrated Billiards Encyclopedia without having to manually fill in {{Cite book}}; takes page numbers as optional parameter. Example: Blah blah blah.<ref name="Shamos1999">{{Shamos1999|pp. 123-125}}</ref>

[edit] Tournament charts

[edit] Brackets

[edit] Results charts

[edit] Other

  • {{Current sport}} - for ongoing tournaments; warns readers that article may be updated frequently as results come in.

[edit] Admin

  • {{Category redirect3}} - put at top of categories slated for rename, deletion or merging (subst and edit as needed, if target category does not exist yet).

[edit] Participants

To sign on as a project member, simply add your name to the list below, and feel free to tell us about your relevant interests, focus, editing so far, etc.

[edit] Getting started

As a member of WikiProject Cue sports, it is requested that you watchlist at least the following pages:

  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports - if the project members do not pay attention to changes at the project page, especially its talk page, effective collaboration will be nearly impossible and the project would eventually fail.
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/to do - the project's to-do list, one of our most vital pages
  • Cue sport - our main article, frequently subject to vandalism and nonsense edits that (historically) have sometimes taken hours or even an entire day to be fixed
  • One or more of the core sub-articles, such as Pocket billiards, Carom billiards, Billiard balls, Billiards table, Glossary of cue sports terms, etc. - these are sometimes subject to vandalism and vanity edits
  • One or more specific game articles, such as Nine-ball, Eight-ball, Three-cushion billiards, etc. (see list toward end of Cue sport) - unsourced junk edits are often made to these articles
  • One or more player articles of your choice that you'd like to "adopt" as a guardian against vandalism, PoV-pushing, etc.

Keeping in touch with the rest of the team via the project pages, and keeping an occasional eye on core articles will go a long way to strengthening the project and protecting the articles. Thank you for your collaboration!

Please also either put one of the project's userboxes or "[[Category:WikiProject Cue sports participants]]" on your user page or one of its subpages.

If you feel like creating a new, sourced article, please see our lists of needed articles: WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEBIOS, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEMISC.

PS: You can save typing time and get to this project page via a shortcut, WP:CUE, and to the talk page here via another one, WT:CUE.

[edit] List of participants

  1. SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ — originator of this WikiProject and one of its principal coordinators; a league eight-ball and nine-ball player
  2. Fuhghettaboutit (talk · contribs) 12:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC) -- Professional pool player (generally retired for a real career). Dabbler in three cushion (high run 13). Expert "Pool Teacher" at allexperts (Q&A column). Main contributor/creator of Carom billiards, Balkline and straight rail, Cushion caroms, Billiards, Rack (billiards) Glossary of cue sports terms (forked from billiards), Artistic billiards, Irving Crane, George Balabushka, Jean Balukas, Straight pool, cue sports techniques, cowboy pool, Honolulu (billiards), Kelly pool, Baseball pocket billiards and Bottle pool. I have quite a billiard library and can provide resources upon request.
  3. ChaChaFut (talk · contribs) 02:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC) -- cue sports enthusiast, some time ago winner of a couple of amateur rotation tournaments, and particularly attracted to 3-cushion carom. Frequent contributor of many sports-related Wikipedia articles.
  4. RebSkii (talk • contribs) 13:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC) i'm currently working on the Asian Games pages and i'm a member of the Wikiproject:Sports Olympics. so i'll be contributing on Asiad and Olympiad related articles. i might as well make a cue sports templates for the Asian Games.
  5. The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) - I've contributed quite a few of the Mosconi Cup bits and pieces and stubbed bios of players involved therein. The Rambling Man 08:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  6. Cocoaguy (talk · contribs) I always enjaoy being wikiprojects and i enjoy pool so them mixed is great. Cocoaguy 従って contribstalk 12:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
  7. MichaelJHuman (talk · contribs) Contributor of the first substantial content to the initial billiards stub. Pool enthusiast (strictly average player), and long time student of the history of the game and it's players.
  8. Psdubow (talk · contribs) I have a family member who is a pool and billiards promoter/event marketer/enthusiast/salesman, and also I find cue sports fun and interesting
  9. RailbirdJAM (talk · contribs) Transcriptionist and American pool enthusiast, familiarity with the evolution of pocket billiards in the United States and its players, past and present.
  10. FoxLad (talk · contribs) Practitioner in pool. Also a fanatic in some sports and animation.
  11. Vandalfighter101 (talk · contribs) trick shot pool player.
  12. Hippodrome (talk · contribs) Lifelong student of physics and pool (the physicist's game).

[edit] Relationships to other WikiProjects

[edit] Parent WikiProjects

[edit] Descendant WikiProjects

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Sports#Cue sports

[edit] Related WikiProjects

[edit] Related portals

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Cue sports
Pocket billiards (pool)
Carom billiards
Other games
Resources