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[edit] Aboriginal peoples

In addition to all the band, ethno, and historical articles in need of at least stubbing, there are a number of notable historical figures in need of articles:

[edit] People/bios

  • Kwah (famous incident with not-yet-Gov. Douglas in early New Caledonia)
  • Chilliheetza (son and grandson of Chief Nicola; and I'll be writing Pelka'mulox, a named shared by Chilliheetza's grandfather, great-grandfather, and great-great-grandfather who was born c.1670 according to James Teit, one of many half-dateable pre-contact dynastic/family lines traceable in BC history if you dig around enough...
  • Colmuneetza
  • Wickanninish (Maquinna's rival; both are hereditary titles with others named the same since, each ultimately an article)
  • Nootka Whaler's Shrine - there's probably an article on The Washing of Tears by Wade Davis but this probably deserves its own article; properly the article-name here is a redirect to the Nuu-chah-nulth language name, though; it's "Nootka" here in the sense of Nootka Sound/Nootka Island, however, not directly re "Nootka" peoples)
  • Simon Gunanoot
  • Slumach
  • Allan McLean (outlaw) or Wild McLean Boys See John Andrew Mara, John Tannatt Ussher and Bio article on their father Donald Mclean who is also worth an article. He died in the Chilcotin War.
  • Kowpelst ("White Hat", chief of Spuzzum, 1858)
  • Spintlum aka David Spintlum, chief of Lytton Nlaka'pamux, 1858
  • Chief Lolo (aka "St. Paul")
  • Chief Anahim (Chilcotin War neutral, almost non-neutral), also sp.. Anaham
  • Chief Alexis (Chilcotin War neutral, almost non-neutral)
  • Fred Quilt - Tsilhqot'in leader killed by a beating from the RCMP in the early 1970s, the Fred Quilt Inquiry never got anywhere etc.
  • Whattlekainum - leader of the Kwantlens when Fort Langley was established and through to the founding of the Colony AFAIK.Skookum1 21:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] General topics

  • Sinixt language - see this (according to the Okanagan Nation website, Sinixt is a dialect of Syilx'tsn but that only if Sanpoil and others are also considered to be, I'd think), which prompted me to add these also:
  • Pentlatch language - no separate Pentlatch/Pentlatch people; there may be historical IRs/communities but they are "extinct" now.
  • Comox language - currently redirects to Comox people, which is a very short stub with language-page traits; needs to be split.
  • and any other un-split or completely unwritten language articles, plus dialects (in Comox's case there's three); even as stubs just modelled on other linguistics stubs (easy way to grab all those cats!). Some dialect articles have already emerged - Ditidaht and in Wet'suwet'en/Dakelh and Tsimshian - and there will be more. Those above are "main languages" and there's a few others out there also needing to be written; Tahltan language may be separate now, it wasn't before. The Sts'Ailes/Chehalis may consider their version of Halqemeylem a separate language, or so I've heard, but I'll check on that as I need the people name; that's their nation-name ("Beating Heart").Skookum1 08:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Clam garden (cf. Aquaculture
  • O'Reilly Commission
  • Powell Commission
  • McKenna-McBride Commission
  • Douglas Treaties

[edit] Biography

No current requests

[edit] Artists

  • Hurdy Gurdy Girls (or Hurdy gurdy girls?) - this was a dance troupe in Barkerville that was "world famous"; their manager had brought them to BC esp. for the rush, although I think they danced their way across the US to get here; the phrase "Hurdy Gurdy Girls", which I grew up around thinking it was a regular idiom, turns out to be maybve BC-only, i.e. Barkerville, where the troupe wound up; I just googled and got a few other entries, might be the same troupe but maybe this isn't what I thought and the term was North America-wide; but it could have been from/via Barkerville that much of that usage spread; I'll check into this during my remaining week and at least start a stub, and maybe if need be a separate article on the Barkerville troupe might be worthwhile (if there's enough on them). This wasn't can can, something a bit more, um, provocative; and the music was of course inlcluded a hurdy-gurdy (the manager was German or Austro-Hungarian of some kind) and didn't sound like Stephen Foster or the usual Brit-American popular stuff; more Central European apparently although I'd expect as the orchestra/band might have changed composition here, it was probably more Celto-Hungarian fusion ;-). Anyway, not sure how much can be dug up about them, but an interesting dig no doubt.Skookum1 01:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, OK googling taught me that my assumption was wrong; this isn't a BC-only topic so need not be here; but in re Barkerville I'll leave it for now in case there turns out to be enough on that troupe to warrant a separate article Hurdy-gurdy girls (Barkerville) maybe?Skookum1 01:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Actors

No current requests

[edit] Musicians

No current requests

[edit] Writers

  • Garnet Basque
  • T.W. Paterson
  • Maeve Blanchet - is that the right name - Circle of Time, the book about sailing around the Coast...
  • Ralph Edwards (naturalist) (Carusoe of Lonesome Lake et al) that's probably a disambig and he may already have an article (or be linked) because of his work with trumpeter swans in the Chilcotin.Skookum1 01:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
    • just disambig'd that title; if there's something better, e.g. "writer" then use it; this article should be high priority and there's enough on him to make a really neat FA sometime.Skookum1 01:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Chilco Choate aka Ted Choate, Edward Choate, and "that damned Chilco" by the big ranching and logging companies.
  • Isaac "Ikey" Dixon - colunnist for the Cariboo Sentinel, wrote in ebonics, was the ignition for the events of McGowan's War.
  • Harry Guillod - important historical source diarist.Skookum1 01:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Politicians

  • Henry Pering Pellew Crease - there's a middle name missing there; he's the "other" major early-era high-court judge, but there's others; only Begbie has a bio at present.Skookum1 22:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • other L-Gs:
  • Richard Clements Moody see Richard Moody
  • There's a page linked through New Democratic Party of British Columbia which lists all NDP candidates/members as redlinks; lots need doing at least as stubs; but then again so do all the historical MPs and MLAs that aren't done (see any one of pages linked through List of British Columbia general elections.Skookum1 22:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • George Puil
  • Frederic William Howay (historian/judge/writer); redirect Judge Howay but that also could be a dab to the peak and the rec area, come to think of it, so not a redirect....
    • the following is my own text written for http://bivouac.com's page on Mount Robie Reid, near Stave Lake:
      • Robie L. Reid and his friend Frederick William Howay were the only two to graduate from the provincial examinations for a First Class permanent teaching certificate in 1885. Reid encouraged Howay to study law with him at Dalhousie, from which they graduated in 1890. They started a law firm together in New Westminster in 1893 - Howay & Reid - a partnership which last until 1906 just before Howay's appointment to the bench in New Westminster. Like his friend Howay, Reid is an important historian of early BC. It seems no accident that the peaks named after them are so close together, given their lifelong friendship; however as with the careers, Mount Judge Howay is higher in stature than Mount Robie Reid. '
  • Jack Munro (IWA boss and now govt-side consultant)
  • Royal Lethington Maitland - Tory leader during the Coalition and Deputy Premier
  • Faye Leung might have an article already? WP:BLP applies, news coverage only.
  • Arthur Nonus Birch - Birch has been in the back of my mind since starting in on early BC articles; saw him this morning again on the new Legislative Council of British Columbia article I) just wrote and figured I'd better mention him here; he's "top" priority for colonial history articles; basically ran the province during Seymour's tenure as Governor (Seymour was effete as well as a drunk, but apparently a real nice guy - just not a viable Governor). Other names redlinked on the Leg Council page also need articles; Birch is one of the most interesting for anyone who likes researching obscure but important bios....Skookum1 18:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Thomas Elwyn - yet another Gold Commissioner, and the first one in the Lillooet District, just before Elliott.
  • Thomas L. Wood - not the same as the Maritimer that Thomas Wood links to; initial given is Thomas L. but I don't know what the L. is for.
  • John Carmichael Haynes - a Gold Commissioner amongst other things.
  • Robert T. Smith
  • the various British Columbia general elections pages have lots of redlinked MLA names for anyone who wants to dig.
  • Israel Wood Powell of the Powell Commission on Indian Reserve (see the April 27 edition of the Sun or Globe on the subject matter of the controversial mural in the Ledge.Skookum1 17:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
  • J.H. Sullivan - already stubbed because of the SS Pacific article content, but so far I haven't been able to find out what J and H stand for; Gold Commissioner for the Cassiar or Stikine Mining District, prob. has an intersting bio out there somewhere...Skookum1 17:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Others

  • Richard Charles Mayne - putting Mayne back in as I just looked at this article and it's very raw stub, not even the footnotes are done properly (they're only abbreviations for one thing -??); Mayne's journal of his explorations in BC is a classic account of the colony; I'll add the Category:Explorers of British Columbia cat.
  • Harry Guillod - diarist
  • Charles Duffey (Duffy) - RE, surveyor, known as "Sapper Duffy", namesake of the Duffey Lake Road, and the first white man to travel by that route (1859 or 1858).
  • Charles Hill-Tout - diarist, ethnographer, historian
  • Reverend Lunden-Brown, aka Reverend Brown, also Lundin Brown; not sure just now but I think it's "Arthur"; and ther's also his successor as saddlebag parson, the Reverend Turner.
  • Category:Kanakas in British Columbia - the reason for this, rather than *Category:Canadians of Hawaiian descent, is it refers to a specific group and specifically a BC group; over time there'll be bio pages of various kinds; premature for now but as Mike Carney (Olympic skier) and other articles get written, it'll be a legitimate category; reason it came to mind is because of Harriet Nahanee, whose surname indicates her part-Hawaiian/Kanaka heritage and has been well-known among the Skwxwu7mesh ever since "back when". There's actually lot of others, including some actors and film-makers I think; but again, it's the historical Kanakas that are meant; unless it'sj ust better to do the Hawaiian descent category and have the BC Kanakas in there? The Kanaka article needs more BC content anyway, or a separate article from the Australasian content/context in the current one, but I don't have the time....Skookum1 08:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
The distinction in the two titles is that to be a Kanaka in the Canadian context, you'd be one of, or a descendant, of the 19th Century Kanakas, when "Kanaka" was the only name for them used (well, other than Sandwich Islander); even though a recent Hawaiian immigrant to Canada (and I've met some) will "scan" and identify with the term Kanaka, he's using it in the Hawaiian sense rather than in the BC sense; if there even were Kanakas in other provinces then Category:Kanakas in Canada (or from Canada) would be OK; but it's just a BC-specific thing, isn't it?Skookum1 08:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Viscount Milton and his buddy Cheadle, sorry detailed names later; these guys overlanded from the Prairies to BC as Overlanders (British Columbia), amazingly considering they were English gentry/subnobility; also great diarists, and an interesting tale.Skookum1 20:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
    • found out these articles exist (proper links later) but need "BC content".
  • This is going to be a real cumbersome title; if someone can shorten it that would be great:
    • List of Northwest Company and Hudson's Bay Company employees in New Caledonia and the Columbia District. Scary, huh? It's come out me considering that the should have a NWC/HBC or separete NWC and HBC subcats; the distinction with my proposed list is solely those involve with BC/Oregon Country history, and there will be a large number of articles once all the important bios are done; there are, in fact, a good number already. Thought of this also because pondering an improvement to Chinook Jargon usage by English language speakers or whatever it's called, listing guys like Sperry Cline and others who spoke it, and are cited as speaking it their own way, more to the point, and also various examples of "hybrid usage", the usual smattering of mixed English and Chinook and, sometimes, whatever else, that turns up; for more see that talkpage; a list/category of known non-native speakers/users of CJ would, like the fur trader category and including nearly everybody in it, be very lengthy/large.Skookum1 23:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legislation and Scandal etc.

  • Restraint Budget (1983) - would go with
  • Solidarity Crisis exists but corolloary articles such as Solidarity Coalition, Operation Solidarity, Kelowna Accord (1983) and others from that series of events need also to be written one day; I was surprised to not see an article on Jack Munro in relation to this so will add him to the people/politicians are also.Skookum1 06:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Carnarvon Terms - placing that here as it was a fed-prov agreement, mid-1870s, warrants a full article because of ensuant politics/events and its role as a slogan etc. Referred to in E and N Railway#Delays.
  • Liberal-Conservative Coalition, i.e. "The Coalition". This currently is a redirect to Coalition government, but I think the specific era that goes by this name, and was shaped by this partciular Coalition (and nobody can tell me they were Grits and Tories in the same way as in the UK...); the Coalition has its own colour on election and list and house tables, but the link is only to coalition, although User:WikiMart has just chaged it to a dual direct to the Grits and Tories on List of British Columbia premiers, with each of the respective words linked differently, insteaed of togehter. There were editors, I can't remember who, during the Elections Wikiproject, who in discussing the historical party-colour-templates, felt that the Coalition was not notable enough to warrant even a separate colour; I maintain it was not only kinda formal as an arrangement but also marks a distinct period in BC history; it may need to be dab'd to [[Liberal-Conservative Coalition (British Columbia) but I can't see how it can't NOT be, in the long run, an article.Skookum1 08:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Definitely worthy of an article all its own. Especially the more one digs into the history. Crikey, even Encyc of BC has a fairly lengthy piece on the Coalition Government here. MLA's (Alberni's Mowat for one) losing Coalition nominations and running as independents only to rejoin the coalition. It was a functional governing entity in its own right, and that becomes more clear with every read of the books or an old newspaper.--Keefer4 08:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
As I got the impression of in The Newspapering Murrays (by their daughter, Georgina Keddell, well worth the read) in relation to George's attitudes and comments about the Coalition (he'd stood aside rather than join, as I recall); but also in general journalistic backgrounders that you get, the way it's talked about; it was something like a merged party in its operation; Royal Lethington Maitland needs an article also (the Tory leader through most of it) and what I saw on Boss Johnson in Rayner's book on the Premier is way better than what I cribbed there, which, er, is kind of inaccurate; Rayner's book is a useful source for policies and politics in each premiership and election, although for the early stuff so's Morton and others; Rayner's very "tainted" but overall a lot of the bios have details I haven't seen anywhere else; and Johnson deserves more credit now that I read abot him (mind you, it's partly Scandinavianist sympathies ;-) ).Skookum1 06:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Powder Mountain ski resort proposal or Powder Mountain ski proposal - mostly forgotten now, this was an '80s proposal opposed by Whistler and according to promoter/developer Nan Hartwick was undermined by interference by Premier Bill Vander Zalm. Other ski proposals should also get articles Cayoosh, Brohm Ridge/Diamond Head etc, although while controversial I don't recall any allegations of scandal on either one (well, maybe with Brohm Ridge but never dug into by the media).Skookum1 19:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
PS to that Powder Mountain article exists for the resort on Utah; I recently created Powder Mountain Icecap or Powder Mountain Icefiel but there is a Powder Mountain (British Columbia) which needs a mountain article also; recent contacts to oo with the aborted ski proposal and some diddly-fiddling re VANOC are sure to bring this into public focus in the next while (sounds like) in which case Category:British Columbia political scandals will apply.
  • Sommers Affair - the most notorious of WAC-era scandals; no Robert Sommers article or I woul have placed the scandals cat on it; tempted to do so on Robert Bonner (Canadian politician but there's nothing on that bio yet about the implications of his invovlement with the Sommers Affair; I remember the term "Bonner Affair" also but can't remember why an wherefore.
  • Cottonwood Scandal - this is the Begbie land-dealing thing that wound up with....now who the heck was it? - on contempt charges before Begbie; as always in BC the scandal was swept aside, and as with Moody re the Military Lands Scandal the hagiographic obsessions of BC historians help sweep it all really under the rug...while sainting the perps...Skookum1 08:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I was surprised to see how few BC scandals were in Category:Canadian political scandals; I guess Casinogate wasn't in the cat already as I know/think it already has an article; I left E Bornmann in the main Canadian political scandals because he's a fed-party operative; maybe in both cats at once is OK? If so, then also Gurmant Grewal should have Category:British Columbia political scandals as well (which I just created and 'populated' a bit - but there's dozens and dozens to go....Skookum1 08:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Nope, it doesn't exist yet, so Casinogate needs an article too.Skookum1 08:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Doman Scandal
  • Skeena Celullose - corp article should probably exist separate from scandal/controversy article.

[edit] Historical events

  • Overlanders - those who came to the Cariboo and other gold rushes in the 1860s via the Rockies Passes; Veterans of the Overlanders' parties are almost a cat in BC history bios all by thesmelves; there were very few, but many of the survivors had illustrious/high-profile careers here. Not as grisly as the Donner Party, but our version of the same idea.
  • Collins Overland Telegraph (prob. needs its corporate name for a proper title); connected article would be:
    • Telegraph Trail
  • Please see List of Royal Navy ships in the Pacific Northwest for redlinks on RN ships in need of BC-history articles. I'll be doing another list of commercial and private vessels, and of Canadian Forces equivalents I guess; the point here was all the old steamers up and down the coast and on the lakes/rivers, as well as famous fishing boats and also cruise lines etc. (I've only started the pre-Empress series of liners, and not really, because the SS Abyssinia was a precursor to the Empress of Japan, Empress of India and Empress of China but you get the idea; the Klondike-era SS Sophia disaster's next up for me, after just having finished SS Pacific. CP's coastal shipping subdivision needs its own article (the main CP article is purely corporate/global and doesn't address CP's various important roles/presence in BC's history adequately; same with Marathon and MacBlo and Cominco articles etc. - all CP spinoffs for those old of us to remember, I guess, but largely forgotten now); the Sophia and other disasters in the Alaska Panhandle are part of BC history in the same way the Air India disaster was, but also because at the time the panhandle decision hadn't come down yet and BC still claimed Skagway as its own; but also because of the passenger list, and the ownership of the vessel). Inside Passage isn't redlinked, but it needs drastic infusions of BC information; it was written by Alaskans and I only added a bit to it so far....Skookum1 00:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Postscript: an article on the modern cruiseline era on the Inside Passage and the cruise economy along the Coast, and cat:Cruise vessels of the Inside Passage? maybe?Skookum1 00:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Great Central trek - Huge national news event in 1934, 500+ loggers march en masse from Parksville to Port Alberni and on to Great Central Lake. Physically displace Port. Alb. Mayor who tries to block them. Part of massive coast-wide action. And for that matter, am I missing something or do the industries of the province and their histories of absolutely nothing anywhere here? Things like Logging in British Columbia (or maybe Forestry in British Columbia), Mining in British Columbia, Fishing in British Columbia, Farming in British Columbia or maybe The yyy industry in British Columbia or History of yyyindustry in British Columbia. I see Skookum has noted some of 'em below. A definite dearth.--Keefer4 08:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Western Canada Soap Box Derby - used to be held in Mission for many years, on a specially-built track after use of Main Street/First Avenue was stopped; I think the last one was in 1972, as I remember being dragged by my Mom to the meeting next year to try and get the organization going; it "gave up the ghost" after my father died (he'd been longtime president and parade marshall and died running the parade on July 1, 1972) and I guess I was dragged along to guilt-trip his former colleagues; they didn't buy it, and the Derby died although the Mission Loggers' Sports kept on for a few years, maybe even still today I don't know. Canadian Loggers Sports Association could probably use an article also. Because of COI and WP:AUTO I haven't even thought of writing a bio for my father - or mother - but both of them deserve it and are more than notable for various reasons; if anyone's interested email me and I'll let you judge.Skookum1 01:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • The wreck of the bark John Bright Walbran tells the story in his Hesquiat article. The bark was wrecked off Boulder Point, out of Hesquiat Harbour in February 1869. All on board perished. The local band was accused of murder when the mangled bodies were found on shore which they denied. The HMS Sparrowhawk was sent, seven prisoners were taken to Victoria, tried and two, John Anietsachist and Katkinna were convicted on June 23 to death by Chief Justice Needham. They were taken the Hesquiat and hanged on the beach in front of the local population. See the Colonist of June 24, and July 31, 1869 and this in the NY Times. Sounds like a story to me.

[edit] General topics

The topics below are meant from a historical context, but could/would have modern contexts as well, except for historical particularities like the REs.

  • Horse racing in British Columbia
  • Prostitution in British Columbia
  • Ranching in British Columbia
  • Mining in British Columbia
  • Tourism in British Columbia
  • Logging in British Columbia
  • Fishing in British Columbia
  • Skiing in British Columbia or Ski resorts in British Columbia
  • Royal Engineers in British Columbia = "The Royal Engineers in British Columbia" - "History of the Royal Engineers in British Columbia" or whatever the title would be; there's a Royal Engineers article already but focussed on the extant British troop of that name; the REs are such an intrinsic part of early BC they need a separate article for their BC content.
  • Esquimalt Shipyard - or whatever its name was under Royal Navy jurisdiction; the shipyard was the biggest "megaproject" of its time and the politicking to get it into place is a whole story in itself; there was also a Royal Navy Hospital at Esquimalt which should be written up, unless it's potentially part of any Esquimalt Hospital article, or CFB Esquimalt maybe?Skookum1 22:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
  • List of Spanish placenames in the Pacific Northwest, including British Columbia, that is; I'll make this but noting it here so as to not forget; most items in the US already have entries; lots of ours won't because they're obscure locations, like Aristazabal Island, and sometimes they're not obviously Spanish either (Zeballos).Skookum1 01:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
  • North West Company - already exists, but with barely any BC info/links at all; no section on Mackenzie, Fraser, Thompson, the opening of New Caledonia and the Columbia before the HBC came wet of the mountains; it's kind of like the Oregon Country-related articles and many Canadian national-theme articles; BC just kind of gets passed over; but this in particular needs more content; I may have put "high" in the importance, as you would for the HBC or one of the Governors or major historical chiefs etc.Skookum1 08:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Modern Treaties et al.

Wikipedia now has a fairly thorough index of BC First Nations peoples and languages, though not all government and local community/ethno articles are written (and there's long lists needing doing...), but in trying to dig back up an unaffiliated Chilcotin band for the {{Tsilhqot'in First Nations}} template I just cooked up, I came across the Te'Mexw Treaty Association, which is the treaty alliance of Sooke, Songhees, Malahat, Beecher Bay and Nanoose First Nations that recently signed another big treaty deal like the Tsawwassen one; the political ramifications of all this I'll stay away from for now and don't have time to address them for the articles, but let's just say the Tsawwassen and Te'Mexw treaties are nothing like the treaty with the Nisga'a Lisims, which didn't shelve the issue of sovereignty, or not in quite the same way anyway. But Te'Mexw and the other pending treaties all get lots of news copy, though in Te'Mexw's case I didn't pay much attention as I'm not an Islander. What I do find interesting, but very complicated to sort out and organize, is the patchwork-quilt of different treaty groups; the Cowichan, Tsartlip, Tsawout and hmm someone else are in the same area, but not part of the deal; some may be in the treaty process, many are not; and the Nanoose speak an entirely different language (Straits Halkomelem), though somewhat interintelligible, than the Sooke or Songhees, who speak Straits Salish. So it's complicated, especially in the Interior with overlapping and often inter-ethnic tribal councils - and also bands that do not belong to tribal councils, and sometimes first nations communities that do not belong to bands (!) as well as neighbourhoods and localities within them (e.g. Xitolacw in Mt. Currie is notable enough to warrant an article). But as each modern treaty evolves, for better or worse, each should have an article; Te'Mexw is important enough to get one now, but I don't know the details (as certain Islanders in our group might know, or at least have more awareness of the local context). Documenting all of rural BC, by the way, reserve by village by town by hamlet by famous/notable cabin/ruin/ghost town, is already more thorough in Wiki than in any other single source I can think of; accretive indexing...but there's lots of detail out there, which is why this exhortation is in article requests; encouraging and recruiting Wikipedians in the rural communities who have the time and also the interest in their local history and whatever else to regularly contribute, and to expand their area's articles (in much the same way the Tsimshian, Gitxsan and lately Skwxwu7mesh pages have begun to explore individual villages and people and institutions). Likewise smalltown institutions and landmarks and people etc.Skookum1 09:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Locations

[edit] Geography

  • Alberni Inlet
  • Barclay Sound
  • Broken Group (islands). There is Pacific_Rim_National_Park_Reserve#Broken_Group_Islands
  • Robson Bight - this is currently a redirect to Lower Tsitika River Provincial Park but should be its own article, "high" priority because of its eco-politics profile.Skookum1 21:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comox Glacier
  • Broughton Archipelago
  • French Creek, British Columbia
  • Little River (British Columbia), a short connecting waterway between Shuswap Lake and Little Shuswap Lake, and effectively identical with the main stream of the South Thompson River, which begins at the outlet of Little Shuswap Lake. Already on the Little River disambig page with this text (which will probably get snipped).
  • Brittany Triangle - this is an important environmental-controversy area, a patch of mostly-untrammeled land lying northeast of Chilko Lake, west of the Taseko River, which is a "hot-button" environmental dispute, involving the Xeni Gwetin and all environmental groups vs logging; it's the last big chunk of the Chilcotin Plateau that's unlogged...visible from orbit, but criscrossed by survey lines......
  • Hat Creek, British Columbia, Hat Creek (British Columbia, and Hat Creek coal-thermal proposal (by whatever title) all need creation, separately (one is a place, or two places actually, the other a river/region, the other is one of many on-the-boil-or-backburner projects like Site C that are so numerous there's a whole series of articles and a very-BC category waiting to be made.Skookum1 00:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Great Bear Rainforest - Currently an ecospeak pamphlet using the name as if it were authentic; needs attention by dedicated wikipedians, can be expanded and improved greatly, and needs dPOVizing.Skookum1 00:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ghost towns

  • I'll be posting a List of ghost towns in British Columbia, which will have all those in need of articles red-linked. I don't have time to even stub them all (upwards of 2000, ultimately, functionally somewhere below 1000), so once the list is up (prob. have to subdivide by regions, if we can ever decided what those are/how to define them), with suggested reference/source books for research listed on its talkpage, anyone looking for something to do could find this pretty interesting....Skookum1 22:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC) Category:Ghost towns in British Columbia may be a start. KenWalker | Talk 08:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
List of ghost towns in British Columbia has been begun; all towns listed for now are redlinked, pending articles, which most will/could have (eventually); the list includes modern towns with articles/stubs but which maybe don't cover the ghost town aspect, i.e. that there's more history could be added to any article, as likewise is always the case with photos on place/history articles (and maps).

[edit] Towns and localities

  • British Columbia Penitentiary aka the BC Pen; as much a history article as an architecture one; didn't know where else to put it on this page so put it at the head of this section as a "locality" (virtually a town, with the warden for mayor, but....).
  • Falkland
  • Westwold and other Shuswap-Kamloops-Thompson-Okanagan localities not yet at least stubbed.
  • Boat Encampment (and Boat Encampment, British Columbia but I can't see there being another one, except in a generic sense; also important in fur trade and can be considered a ghost town name, now submerged in Lake Kinbasket
  • Downie, British Columbia
  • Mica, British Columbia
  • Big Bend, British Columbia
  • Blue River, British Columbia (and Little Fort, Avola, and anything else on Hwy 5 that's not in yet.
  • Places in Greater Mission; coverage of other LM municipalities is a bit more thorough because of GVRD context of Vancouver project; similar lists for Abbotsford and Chilliwack could also be fleshed out.
    • Hatzic - this among many in the "Greater Mission" area but this one also importantly as one of Mission's main "suburban" areas for years and years; and also as the site of [[[Xá:ytem|Xá:ytem]] and also of St Mary's Mission and Westminster Abbey.
    • Ferndale, British Columbia
    • Dewdney, British Columbia
    • Deroche, British Columbia
    • Durieu, British Columbia
    • Hatzic Prairie, British Columbia
    • Hatzic Lake (British Columbia) - the residential area of Hatzic Lake, British Columbia on the island in the lake can be a redirect to Hatzic, British Columbia even though it's not in the District of Mission as "upper Hatzic" is; Hatzic Prairie is distinct, i.e. if someone's from there they won't say "Hatzic", but I guess it and Durieu could be redirects to Hatzic if need be, but:
    • McConnell Creek, British Columbia, near which is Miracle Valley, British Columbia, the Sally Ann rehab resort (nice place, too, used to sing xmas carols there), should be its own entry; Allan Lake and other locality names occur within it, but they can be redirects if ever mentioned/linked.
    • I've left out inner-Mission neighbourhoods, although maybe Cedar Valley, British Columbia, West Heights, British Columbia and Cherry Hill, British Columbia are all writeable; most other neighbourhoods are road-names e.g. Clay Road, Nelson Road (though someone there might say Silverdale, which nobody in "real Silverdale" would...), Cade-Barr (where Cade and Barr Roads meet), Mill Street etc. Ferndale is notable as the site of Westminster Abbey, usually described as being at Hatzic as that's what it looks out over; and also the site of Mission's municipal hall and the complex of federal prisons built in the 1970s; it was also the site of the Dewdney Trunk Road Pleasure Fair, a hippie-era extravaganza, with stages scattered through its picturesque fields and woods (and, I heard, Joni Mitchell sitting in a tree singing away, stoned out of her mind...); Ferndale is the eastern half of the big plateau atop central Mission's urban area; the western side is Cedar Valley on the northwest and Cherry Hill on the southwest, with Cade Barr in between (not really a neighbourhood; more a store and school name, and certainly subsumed within suburbanization in recent years); the boundary between Ferndale and Hatzic is roughly at the Mission Cemetery, and at the bluffs atop which the monastery stands. Does Westminster Abbey (British Columbia), have an article yet? - I'll look at Westminster Abbey to see if there's a disambig page I guess...Skookum1 22:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
      • How 'bout that, it does! Didn't have the BC template yet so I gave it "stub, high". There's also a convent there and the monastery maintains a climbing retreat near Lillooet; its monks were Ma Murray's pallbearers and funeral choir; its resident artist Father Dunstan and composer/performer Father Basil perhaps are notable enough for articles, particularly because of the acclaim for Dunstan's frescos; the new monastery church is a big deal, too, as are its holdings of certain medieval art. But it's not as historic as people think it is: St. Mary's Mission on the benchland of western Hatzic just below is one of the oldest colonialist establishments in the Valley.....not sure what its article name should be yet, though.22:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
        • I'm almost surprised that's not a disambig page yet, as it's going to have to be as anyone who's read BC and Western US history must realize....more on this later (maybe).Skookum1 22:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Lake Errock, British Columbia
    • Silverdale, British Columbia
    • Silverhill, British Columbia
    • Stave Falls, British Columbia; Stave Gardens, British Columbia can be a redirect but there is a distinction, though confusing...
    • Steelhead, British Columbia

[edit] Interior geography

  • Mahood Lake
  • Mahood Falls
  • Horsefly Lake
  • Quesnel Lake
  • Kinbasket Lake (if it's not there already)
  • Bowron Lake or Bowron Lakes, nb can be a redirect to Bowron Lake Provincial Park, but in which case that article should have all the "lake geography" (data) in it that would properly be in Bowron Lake article (as also with otherwise separate articles for each of the main ones in the chain). Lake data should include any specific fisheries or water/terrain information as "pure geography", and most park articles aren't written from that perspective. If they're a redirect from the name of a lake, maybe they should be....Skookum1 08:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
  • The Barrier - see Garibaldi Lake "Geohazards" section; it should be mentioned on this page but should have a main article, as there's a body of literature around it as one of BC's major geotechnical hazards (Category:Geohazards in British Columbia would have some interesting contents...) and it's tied into the Big One, the Olympics (talk about a security problem...) and any potential eruption of Mount Garibaldi or one of its sister volcanoes....NB some "range" articles have been written as primarily-volcano articles by Black Tusk and need various adjustments to make them proper "range" articles; I don't have the time, although may get at Itcha Range and Ilgachuz Range articles, although he's adjusted others (Lava Fork, now Lava Fork Volcano more appropritely - Lava Fork is a creek-name, the location of the otherwise-unnamed volcano). Anyway, The Barrier and others like Mount Breakenridge are Hope Slides waiting to happen, and there's others, some unnamed (the west face of either Boston Bar Mountain or Hells Gate Mountain is yet another one. Glacial rain-melt outflows like the Rutherford Creek-Green River devastation of a few years ago are another geohazard, though some historically have been lahars (e.g. the one that's supposed to have wiped out up to 100,000 inhabitants of the Lower Fraser Valley about 1800BP, either from Meager et al. or via Baker, I don't know the details.
  • The Chasm - Chasm Provincial Park probably exists, but a geo article on The Chasm, as a major viewpoint site, seems necessary; aerial sat photos of it are pretty neat, even though it's a minor gorge by comparison with the Fraser or Thompson Canyons or even Marble Canyon (everything has a canyon around there, from the smallest creek to the biggest river, and most have more than one canyon....); The Chasm is one of those geoforms that's actually quite insignificant but highly visible so got a lot of attention; yeah, OK, like its sign says it's an eroded lava flow; so is most of the rest of the plateau, and quite a lot of the subalpine/alpine adjoining it too...whether towards Wells Gray or the Chilcotin Ranges...the namesake of Wells Gray Park - Wellesley Gray I think - should get an article but I'll have to dig his proper name and position out; historical politician/MLA/cabinet I think...Skookum1 22:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
The Chasm needs dabbing to The Chasm (British Columbia) or The Chasm, British Columbia (or "Canada", whichever); The Chasm goes to some rock band.Skookum1 22:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mountains and ranges

  • Gold Range (British Columbia) - major subrange of the Monashees; note dabline necessary to The Gold Range, which is a bar in Yellowknife.
  • List of icefields and glaciers of the Coast Mountains
      • These are the largest temperate-latitude icefields on the planet, although there's no collective name for the group, other than being the core of the Pacific Ranges
    • Place Glacier (the only major glacier in the Lillooet Ranges/Cayoosh Range; the Joffre Icefall could probably stand its own article, though). "Tongues" off the big icecaps, like the Lord Glacier or the Bishop Glacier or Lillooet Glacier off the Lillooet Icecap (of about seven in total), are not listed here (but could be); for each article an accounting of the surrounding rivers and peaks contained/described by the icefield would be appropriate
    • Lillooet Icecap ("Lillooet Crown"); this icefield is the scene of a disappeared CPR survey party from the 1870s, the Stanley Smith expedition, who were looking for a way from the Lillooet River to the Bishop (Lieut. Palmer had earlier established that the Lillooet-Toba connection, which is possible by packtrain, was not suitable for a wagon road, and so also not for a railway). The Stanley Smith story needs an article; there's one somewhere on Bivouac that has some references; would make a good article. Mind you, so will Lieut. Palmer when someone wants to write him up...
    • Compton Neve
    • Armchair Glacier
    • Stave Glacier
    • Pitt Glacier
    • Mamquam Icefield (more or less equivalent Mount Mamquam or Mamquam Mountain or whatever it's offically named)
    • Meslilloet Icefield
    • Ipsoot Glacier (more or less equivalent to Ipsoot Mountain
    • Pemberton Icecap
    • Overseer Icefield
    • Homathko Icefield
    • Waddington Icefield (equivalent to Waddington Range)
    • Silverthrone Glacier
    • Ha-Iltzuk Icefield (maybe the same as Silverthrone, not sure?)
    • Klinaklini Icefield
    • etc northwards (only a few in the Kitimat Ranges that have names, usually range names e.g. Howson Range
    • Juneau Icefield
    • others in the Boundary Ranges

[edit] Fur trade forts/history

  • Fort Stikine
  • Fort Taku
  • Fort Kilmaurs redir Fort Babine if it exists
  • Fort McLoughlin
  • Fort Chilcotin (may exist already; needs writeup)
  • Fort Kamloops
  • Fort Victoria (British Columbia) - NOT as a redirect to Victoria, but in its own right, w. Fort Camosun redirect. Speaking of which, Camosun and camosack (one or the other, with the remainder the redirect), which were HBC specialty items, nice Bohemian/Moravian blue glass beads. May sound cheesy and cheap, but like all company goods (blankets, kettles etc) they were of highest quality, and became - like dentalium - highly prized, and with commercial value, though not quite money. Camosun as a place was because it was a common meeting-ground to trade with the locals, which is why Fort Camosun got established, only to be quickly redesignated Fort Victoria when the need to secure a redoubt northwards of Fort Vancouver and the Columbia pre-empted its destiny and gave birth to, pretty much, the onest of colonization on Vancouver Island (because the marine fur trade definitely had not been); I think that Fort Rupert maybe was older, at least by name if not establishment; it's been a while since I read that era in detail....Skookum1 08:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canyons

  • List of canyons on the Fraser River (subarticle of Fraser Canyon - these are the named canyons, which are many though mostly obscure, e.g. French Bar Canyon, Big Bar Canyon, Black Canyon (Fraser River), Moran Canyon, Lillooet Canyon, Soda Creek Canyon, the Little Canyon et al. - all much more major than the strangely-named Grand Canyon of the Fraser in the Robson Valley. List of canyons in British Columbia would be "other than the Fraser River]], although virtually every major river in BC has one, some several; but canyons abound also on many creeks, and many creeks also get articles for one reason or another (e.g. Cayoosh Creek will, re the Cayoosh Gold Rush and Hwy 99) that also have prominent canyons (in this case Cayoosh Canyon might warrant its own geographic-history article, I'm not sure).Skookum1 07:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Which begs the question if Capilano Canyon should be a redirect to the river or the park, or the tourism site one supposes; disambig time, but the point is that the park article is about the park per se; should there be separate articles for geographic features exploring their formation/geology; the park is an entity, the river flows through the canyon; Cayoosh Creek/Cayoosh Canyon is a similar example; Marble Canyon (Canada) happens to involve Pavilion Creek and Pavilion Lake, both notable, as are also all ranches and reserves adjacent....; I picked the Capilano example beause it's so prominent but in many cases park articles have redirects from geographic-feature titles; ultimately IMO the geographic features should be written separately, with condensed versions in the park article, which also deals with facilities, dates of creation, issues surrounding its politicks etc.Skookum1 07:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Black Canyon (Fraser River) and Black Canyon, Fraser River, the latter being an erstwhile town on the old mule trail between Alexandra and Boston Bar on the site of the Black Canyon, and looks like an interesting place, with houses on stilts/scaffolding on the cliff - one of those spots where the trail had to clamber around the cliffs on scaffolding and handholds, down below between the Hells Gate Tunnel and the Alexandra Tunnel. I'll see if I can dig up an old VPL or archives no. for a pic of the Black Canyon "town"Skookum1 21:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Black Canyon (Thompson River), near the Basque Ranch and its rail stops, and where the CNR rail line is forced onto the east bank parallel to the CPR for the next stretch southwards. Black Canyon is really black, and a good photo of it from the Logan Lake-Ashcroft highway or a trail overlook off it would be a good thing; sandbank-style erosion, but mineralized to a very black colour and also rocky relative to the sandier canyons farther up around Ashcroft. Thompson Canyon could use a separate writeup, too.
  • there's another Black Canyon yet in BC, which both basemap and cdn geonames locate to a spot on a spit in the Omineca Arm of Lake Williston; I suspect this may be a submerged canyon formerly on the Omineca River; it sounds familiar from fur trade/explorer history so I'll look into it. All these Black Canyons should be added to the disambig page once written; I've only got the Fraser one there at the moment.Skookum1 21:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dams and powerplants

There's only so many of these as articles so far; and lots of obscure ones like the Lois River plant at Powell River; I have a 1950s BCgov book summarizing water flows and topography and hydroelectric potential or what development there was at the time; funky photos, don't see a copyright notice anywhere in the book....but I don't have a scanner and won't be sticking around to do the work; I'll try and make a list of here of all the plants I know of listed or which are listed in this book or elsewhere, and there should probably be a Category:Dams in British Columbia and Category:Hydroelectric generating facilities in British Columbia (also Category:Electrical generating facilities in British Columbia, whatever the proper wording is) as subcats of the Canada-cat equivalents. Won't start this list just now, as the book's in the other room and I just got up 'cause I couldn't sleep.Skookum1 15:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New traditional region cats

They're not quite all made yet but I covered a lot of ground last night; also tweaked the RD cat and suvbcatted it to Coast/Interior. "Be bold" - hell, I was damn reckless; see also Template talk:Subdivisions of British Columbia and Talk:Regional districts of British ColumbiaSkookum1 15:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Organizations, Companies and misc. Gov't

  • List of Ferry Terminals in British Columbia Was adding Sturdies Bay earlier and noticed basically none (correct me if I'm wrong) of the BC Ferry terminals have articles. By jove if SkyTrain stations get their own entries so too shall ferry terminals:

Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal, Swartz Bay Ferry Terminal, Duke Point Ferry Terminal, Departure Bay Ferry Terminal, Horseshoe Bay Ferry Terminal, Bear Cove Ferry Terminal, Little River Ferry Terminal, Langdale Ferry Terminal .. many more to be compiled soon... Oh and I realize some of these communities have articles already like Swartz Bay for example, but I think they're notable in their own right, and again if SkyTrain Stations and Van area bus loops have articles... Also, the ferries themselves need articles, some have very interesting histories indeed, as I'm sure we're all aware.--Keefer4 09:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Victoria and Sidney Railway
  • there are a whole string of small railway articles to be written, ranging from the V&S through to lots of them across the Similkameen, Boundary and Kootenay, and a few more on the Island as well. During the 1890s-1900s there was a huge round of railway-friendly legislation and over 100 railways were chartered in order to take advantage of land grants; some actually got built, the most notable of these being the PGE and BCER, and others becoming over time amalgamated into the CPR or other railways, or abandoned. It was BC's version of the CPR grants across the Prairies; twenty miles on either side of the line the developer would get so much of the resource and land base, so there were lots of these even just proposed so as to get the land deal involved; as with other BC enterprises in that era, particlarly the stock market, it was a lot of snakeoil; but a lot of important bits of railway history and potential articles; I've noted other names throughout my readings lately, particularly in the ghost towns books by T.W. Paterson and Garnet Basque; this as a reference for other editors to dig out sometime; it doesn't look like I'm going to have the time as life is calling me away from the net for a while, except now and then (I'll be travelling and no longer sedentary)...Anyway, there's a whole range of train/railway articles begging to be written, same as with the steamboats and the shipping companies; I'll be glad to provide some references if anyone takes it on; I may get a chance to start the list of steamboats and list of ghost towns before I'm gone, though....Skookum1 08:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
  • British Columbia Jockey Club
  • Vancouver Rowing Club
  • Vancouver Club
  • Terminal City Club
  • University Women's Club (Vancouver) (cf. Hycroft and dab at University Women's Club)
  • Union Club (Victoria) (cf dab at Union Club).
  • Hollyburn Club
  • Arbutus Club
  • Foley, Welch & Stewart (builders of the Pacific Great Eastern and Grand Trunk Pacific) -- done as Foley, Welch and Stewart
  • McLennan & McFeely (the Home Depot of their day).
  • Fort George Lumber and Navigation Company Sternwheelers
  • Union Steamship Company
  • Aquarian Foundation (see Brother XII)
  • Kabalarian Philosophy
  • Emissaries of the Divine Light
  • On both of the following I've left off "in British Columbia" because some were in WA/OR/ID/MT and also AB/SK/MB/ON etc of course.
    • List of North West Company forts and posts- with location (current prov), dates, chief trader/factor, which fur district (with NWC I'm not sure there were fur districts or the positions of factor etc.)
    • List of Hudson's Bay Company forts and posts - with location (current prov), dates, chief trader/factor, which fur district (with NWC I'm not sure there were fur districts or the positions of factor etc.)
  • The Communication - the HBC's name for the route of its biannual "Express" from/to Fort Vancouver <-> York Factory; "The Express (HBC) might also be a worthy article, or the same one.
  • Hudson's Bay Company Fur Brigade Trail (pre-1846)
  • Hudson's Bay Company Fur Brigade Trail (post-1846) - this is the one most of us have heard of, from Spuzzum/Alexandra up over the Cascades and back down the Anderson River a bit farther north, or alternately via the Coldwater to the Nicola. The pre-1846 route was the Columbia to Boat Encampment, or alternately via the Okanagan to New Caledonia.Skookum1 04:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Newspapers, Magazines and Publishers

historical and current

  • Cariboo Sentinel
  • Williams Lake Free Press
  • Bridge River-Lillooet News
  • Alaska Highway News
  • The Chinook
  • Fraser Valley Record
  • Whistler Question
  • Whistler Answer
  • Pique Magazine
  • The Columbian
  • Evergreen Press
  • Douglas & McIntyre J.J. Douglas also; not sure if that's a DBA or separate holding, same outfit
  • Heritage House Publishing etc.

[edit] Miscellaneous government articles

[edit] Miscellaneous

  • Beautiful British Columbia Magazine
  • Country Life (Canadian magazine) - a publication of the Murrays (George Murrayand Ma), and Ma's pet project. There might/must be copies in VPL or UBC or the Archives to source from; also:
  • The Chinook- George Murray's erstwhile pre-Great War Vancouver newspaper.
  • Women's Institutes - not sure where to start on this; another Ma Murray effort or something she supported; helped organize and keep housewives, particularly rural housewives, sane for decades ;-)Skookum1 04:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Heritage House Publishing - one of several BC publishers worthy of an article, including Harbour Publishing in Sechelt; Heritage House is/was one of the biggest popular-heritage publishers in BC; Transmontanus Books, Tricouni Publishing and various others also come to mind. Heritage House was/is a subsidiary of Douglas & McIntyre Publishing.Skookum1 04:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
  • local newspapers & magazines; also out-of-print historical ones....Skookum1 07:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List Templates

  • We need new First Nations templates for "{{Kwakwaka'wakw peoples}}", "{{Nuu-chah-nulth-aht peoples}}", {{South Island and Georgia Strait Salishan peoples}}" (NB usage could be Salish v. Salishan peoples, OldManRivers please advise), "{{Lower Fraser River Salishan peoples}}" (so as to be able to include Musqueams, Katzie, Kway-quit-lams, and Chehalis/Sts'Ailes, none of which are in the Sto:lo Nation - maybe {{Fraser Valley Salishan peoples}}?) - "{{Nlaka'pamux peoples"}}, "{{Secwepemc peoples}}", {{St'at'imc peoples}}, "{{Tsilhqot'in peoples}}" etc. (see notes on talk page)Skookum1 23:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Peoples seem right. As for Salish, I'd go with Coast Salishan, but if you do Salishan, it would include most of the others. But do Coast Salish, or Coast Salishan, and that will include all the US American nations as well. Although, not all the ethno-culture pages are made it, it will give a scope of what is needed. For modern political affiliations, use what ever they choose. But I don't think we should go by geographic region. Use their traditional names as much as possible. So in the case of "Fraser River Salishan People", use Sto;lo, but add the rest into the whole over-reaching article on "Coast Salish" catagory. OldManRivers 21:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, because the "peoples" articles aren't all yet written, not at the micro scale, I created "Indian Act government templates" to go with the First Nations governments pages. The first done, finished just now, is {{Kwakwaka'wakw First Nations}} and I'll do others for {{Nuu-chah-nulth-aht First Nations}}. Still not sure what to do about the Salish peoples; as Island can't really be separated from Mainland, and the three Halkomelem dialects have a certain symmetry, but don't include everyone (including OldManRivers' Skwxwu7mesh) and Sto:lo doesn't include the Kwantlens, Katzies, Whonnocks and others (who are still, nonetheless, "people of the river" - "sto:lo" btw means "the river" only; or rather specifically the Fraser itself, not other rivers. Tricky because Sto:lo is usually taken to be ethnographic group; but it doesn't as a designation include all in the group; kind of like Pacheedaht vs. Nuu-chah-nulth-aht....whatever; templates are quick to make; posting this notice here, which can be migrated to the talk page here I guess, asking for a look-see to see if I've missed any First Nations in the Kwakwaka'wakw template, and in others to follow later on...Skookum1 06:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I just added {{Kwakwaka'wakw peoples}} as an experiment; the Danaxdaxw and Awataetla, now in the same band council, were at one time enemies I know, so there's an example where the ethno article diverges from the government/IA one, and historical realities from current ones. Seems to work, and can address vanished villages/peoples, as also in Nuu-chah-nulth and Salish territories. Pondering "Northern Straits Salish", from Chemainus/Nanoose on up (Penelakut?) and including Musqueam and Squamish and Sechelt (sorry, English names just now...) and I guess Tsawwassen; or Musqueam and Tsawwassen would go ih the Halkomelem-speaking peoples template, which I haven't figured out what to call ("Cowichan" and "Sto:lo" doesn't include everybody); "Southern Straits Salish" has linguistic associations with exclude Musqueam and the Cowichan peoples, who are Halkomelem-speakers; gonna be a tangled one to sort out and I don't think Vancouver Island vs. the Mainland will work entirely; maybe that's the way to go, I'll give it some thought though {{Coast Salish First Nations in Vancouver Island and the Gulf of Georgia}} seems pretty sweeping and might foot the bill for everything other than upriver from Musqueam and Tsawwassen - but {{Sto:lo First Nations and other Fraser River Salish First Nations}} seems a bit unwieldy, ..... ethno version would be {{tl:Coast Salish peoples of Vancouver Island and the Gulf of Georgia}} (hmm, doesn't really include Sookes and other Juan de Fuca groups, does it? Hmmmm...) In the ethno nongov versions of templates, there can be crossborder content like the Squamish relationship with the Nooksack or the Makah with the Nuu-chah-nulth or Clallam with Songhees/Tsouke. More to think about; time for a smoke.....(no scolding!).Skookum1 06:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Just created {{First Nations of the Strait of Georgia and Southern Vancouver Island}} which includes Mainland Salish other than Sto:lo/Kwantlen etc; used "Strait of Georgia" because of Wiki article-title of that name; pref. "Gulf of Georgia" myself but that's a harder definition and no article on it (yet).Skookum1 18:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Just realized that should have properly been {{Salishan First Nations of the Strait of Georgia and Southern Vancouver Island}} or {{Salish First Nations of the Strait of Georgia and Southern Vancouver Island}} or else the Campbell River/Cape Mudge Kwakwaka'wakw bands should be included; and starting to think that "gulf of georgia" is preferable to "strait of georgia". Thoughts?18:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
So how's {{Salishan First Nations of the Gulf of Georgia and Southern Vancouver Island}} - I wish I didn't have to add that "southern Vancouver Island" but the Sooke and Esquimalt and Songhees are definitely not Gulf of Georgia; the option here is to leave off "Salishan" and include the Campbell River Kwakwaka'wakw in the template.Skookum1 04:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Just to note/remind I'd already created {{First Nations of the Strait of Georgia and Southern Vancouver Island}} but I'm not happy with the title because of its implicit inclusion of Kwakwaka'wakw, and also the Strait/Gulf thing. Further note, the ethno template here would be either {{Gulf of Georgia and Southern Vancouver Island peoples}} or {{Salishan peoples of the Gulf of Georgia and Vancouver Island}}.Skookum1 04:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Problem with that is that the Kwayquitlams, Musqueam, Katzies and Chehalis aren't Sto:lo, that's why I resorted to the more anthropological-sounding Fraser River Salish. As it is there's spill-over onto the US side with the Okanagan and Ktunaxa templates (and those are for band councils, not just ethnic groups, although in that case they're synonymous); realistically the Nooksack should be in the same table as the Skwxwumesh and Shishalh, no? And the Lummmis with the Tsawwassen and Musqueam and, I think, the Tsartlip and Tsawout. But even if the int'l boundary's arbitrary division of the region weren't there (see Talk:Salish Sea), there's still this nomenclature problem - "Coast Salish nations of Southern Vancouver Island" is too unwieldy; "Salish Nations of South Island" is AFAIK a tribal council (and there is no unified tribal council for any of this region...). BTW it did occur to me last night that "Nations" instead of "peoples" might be best on the names of these templates, as the links should/would be to the band councils and t.c.s; this in terms of mirroring the equivalent templates for towns, villages and cities, under the assumption that pending a one-day dissolution of the Indian Act governments and their replacement by post-treaty governments, the organizational layout, and probably the English names, would remain the same, as those of the IA governments...if "peoples" is used in the titles of the templates, then the titles/articles should link to the non-government ethno articles....Skookum1 18:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Decided to retitle the government templates thus: {{Nlaka'pamux First Nations governments}} instead of {{Nlaka'pamux First Nations}} in order to clarify the ambiguities/confusion/dualities involved. If {{Nlaka'pamux First Nations band governments}} would be better please advise after I make this first one; I'll hold off; "government" seems pretty much straightforward, even though it's not truly indigenous governments (i.e. non-Indian Act-constituted ones) that are meant. For now I'm just changing the text of the title for the template named {{Nlaka'pamux First Nations}}, the others will remain redlinked here until a final preferred form for such titles could be, so all the rest can be made without having to be changed later.Skookum1 00:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Creating {{Carrier First Nations}} in the same name-format as before; could also be {{Carrier First Nations governments}}; {{Carrier peoples}} is the alternative; using Carrier to mean the Dakelh and Wet'suwet'en together; if that's unacceptable in the long run this template can be broken to {{Dakelh First Nations}} and {{Wet'suwet'en}} (or whatever the pref spelling is).Skookum1 22:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category sorting/adding

Just out of curiousity, and can't remember how I got there, I was at Canadians of Scottish descent, oh yeah from being at Canadians of English descent which someone wants to rename back to English Canadian....anyway, decided in honour of St. Pat, and to make sure it was there because for some reason it didn't turn up on first search, but it turned out to be a category name, so at went to Category:Canadians of Irish descent and found a Category:Canadians of Anglo-Irish descent vs Category:Canadians of Ulster-Scots descent, and there is difference, although usage/potential synonymy varies. Why this is relevant to the BC project and to article requests is that a lot of early politicians and authority figures and settlers of all kinds here were Anglo-Irish, from Chartres Brew down to, I believe, John Hart and since. Scots are more prominent in politics elsewhere, it seems; here it was the Anglo-Irish for some reason, more often than not (A.C. Elliott, McBride I think); what piqued my mind here was the Canadians of English descent page's "List of Notable Canadians of Anglo-Irish descent" really only had Douglas and Gordo on it, other than a few others; got me thinking about Brew and Elliott and so many more that I know of; but we have a settlement history than the rest of Canada anyway; I didn't even try to add BC sections ot the Canadians of Scottish descent article (there's of course ON and QC sections, and Maritime Celtic history); but simply put, it caught my eye that the Category:Canadians of Irish descent didn't have the roster of names it could have from BC; Elliott and Brew certainly, Vernon I think and many others of note and who already have articles, methinks. Just, whenever someone's writing or editing a bio, give some thought to categories like this that may be missing; not that y'all don't already, but this one caught my eye because I'm familiar with its subject matter....also quite often things in the Canadians of ethnic descent top-level category, i.e. anywhere in its lower levels, there's articles that are in main cats and also in subcats; seems to be a lot of trimming needing doing there, too....Skookum1 07:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Gasp! - I just dug into that category, which has a series of subcategories, finally Category:Anglo-Irish migrants to pre-Confederation Canada, where Elliott, Vernon, Brew et al. would go....except for one thing; "pre-Confederation Canada" only means, in its own temporal context, from the Lakes to the Gulf; so shouldn't "our" category be Category:Anglo-Irish migrants to pre-Confederation British Columbia? - and not just because of the 1871 vs 1867 thing - It's also a different element of them that were here than other Anglo-Irish, as it was with everyone here (harder to get to, brought a certain kind and class of individual etc, but that's a longer discussion). Back to the basic point - obscure categories probably needed to be added in a lot of places. BTW is it "legal" for us to consider making a talkpage template for all the BC-related categories so we can index them all somewhere; I know that's not the point of the main BC template, but I'm just thinking of a tool that would be accessible only from the project pages; or do some of those links in the portal at the top of the project page do that? i.e. a central place where you can view all pages with the project template; the idea is to be able to see all the categories; unless there's a way to get a bot to make a list that would be an "active object" updating itself, on the talkpage. Wish I understood code, I always have such neat ideas ;-0 (or so they seem at the time).Skookum1 07:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of antiquarian booksellers in British Columbia/Vancouver

Putting this here although maybe more relevant to the vancouver project; most people from here don't know it but VAncouver is considered a hotbed of antiquarian book vendors and markets; people come here expressly to go to Lunsford or MacLeod's or Antiquarius or Colophon some of the others; at one time Hoffer's and Bond's, which like other defunct sellers who had, quite frankly, global reputations. Some the booksellers themselves, in paricular Bill Hoffer (Bill Hoffer (bookseller)?), are notable as literary/political figures as well.Skookum1 06:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

PS I guess that list of BC disambig pages I put on the project talk page should probably be here; but wanted to get people's attention to it; think there's only some of us that have article requests on their watchlists....Skookum1 06:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Geographic region categories

etc.Skookum1 06:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

It's true as with the Okanagan and Caroboo and Stikine cases that others could just be standalone names; and some might sound better, e.g. Similkameen District and there's cases like Slocan where it's just "the Slocan" although I know "slocan Sountry' does yet used; the point of including the "Country" part is so there's no disputing the validity of thse categories; it also helps unshrine this not-so-archaic and very BC usage, which underlays all oragnizational elements established on top of it; i.e. as were defined by terrain; these rae to subcats of the respective Category:Interior of British Columbai and so on subcats or can be paralle with that cat's parent Category:Geographic regions of British columbia.Country

Also neeeded

another cat that came to mind, give nte existence of other people cats[ Category:Nicola people maybe, or Caegory:N'kwala or Category:N'kwala'mx actually....other examples are around of the need for this, e.g. Category:Comox Valley is OK, but Category:Comox would pose issues; there is a K'omoks spelling around, but I think it's more associated with the Campbell River group than the Sliammon or Homalco

[edit] Sisters of St Ann and St Ann's Academy

This organization has been in the news recently marking its 150th anniversary which sounds like they have bene here from the begining of the provice. They are said to have been the first organization to provide education and health care in BC. Prime Minister Campbell attended and was at their anniversary event. Marie Anne Blondin, the founder, is in the process, if I understand it correctly of becoming a saint. The St Ann's Academy is a formidable building and grounds in the centre of Victoria and of historical significance as well. It is a National Historic Site. See Little Flower Academy for some of its history. Might be worth doing, perhaps in collaboration with some other WikiProjects. --KenWalker | Talk 18:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)