Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/A-class review/Bleeding Through

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promoted.

An important and quite popular band of today's metalcore scene. It has been passed as a Good Article, and the GA reviewer suggested it should get an A-class peer review by the article's relevant wikiproject. Gocsa 17:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

• I think the "Musical style" section needs more referencing and could do with a bit of expansion. The "Influences" section should probably be merged with "Musical style". It seems odd that to so closely related topics are in different sections, especially since influences are explicitly discussed under "Musical style". They could possibly be under different subheadings, but then a new structure would be required. Otherwise I like the article: it's properly referenced, it has a clear structure, the prose is readable and to the point and essentially all relevant information is presented. It's not a very long article, but the band hasn't been around for a very long time, som that's to be expected. - Duribald 19:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

How is it now? I've merged the two, Influences is now a sub-section of the Musical style. Gocsa 20:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - I don't see much to oppose, although I admit to being less than expert on articles about bands. The sentence in the main body referencing where the video of the crash can be seen probably should be moved into the "external links" section though. John Carter 17:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
• Comment I'd still like to see an expansion of the muscial style section and more references in the same section, for an A grade. - Duribald 18:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose Per comment above AND 'd like to see more paper version sources. Right now it depends very much on sources like Blabbermouth.net and interviews with the band. - Duribald 04:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, in a few days, I'll add references to the musical style section and try to find more info. But I don't see why is it a problem that the references are from Blabbermouth or interviews. Because, who else knows things better about the band than band members themselves.. Besides, I don't think there are significant paper version sources, because it is not such an old band, and not really mainstream, there are no books obviously about Bleeding Through, so the only sources can be metal magazines, and while I don't have any, I highly doubt that they have any additional info.

I've added references to the musical style section. Gocsa 15:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Blabbermouth belongs to a record company, i.e. it is a self-published source. That means that there is a bias and probably little or no fact-checking and no editorial oversight. This violates WP:V. An A-class article must have the best kind of sources for most of it's contents. It's a very good article, considering the lack of third party sources, but I have to vote "oppose" on this one. -Duribald 17:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

That is stupid, none of the Blabbermouth.net references reflect Blabbermouth.net's editors' point of view, or anything like that, and most of their news articles are from other sources, e.g. MTV News, VH1, etc. Every Blabbermouth reference to this article is either an interview with the band, or a tour date announcement, or maybe a coverage of their van accident, or a Billboard chart result, which is also - as you might guess - from another site, or source, i.e. Billboard magazine's site. I could change all these references to "more reliable" ones (more reliable, i.e. according to you), but why bother, and suffer with all the searching, rewriting, when these sources are as reliable as others.. Also, the fact that it has Blabbermouth.net references doesn't seem to make e.g. Slayer not a FA. And I'm only trying to get an A-Class... Gocsa 17:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I do see your point. And if the FA people have no problem this type of source, then I of course bow to that precedent. Besides, there are plenty of other sources in the article. It is a very well written article, especially for a band that hasn't been around for that long and that haven't had a score of books written about it. So, ok, Support. -Duribald 17:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• Support based on above. John Carter 17:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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