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[edit] Copa del Rey

Ok, I asked for this discussion to take place on the talk page of the article, not here, thanks. If this edit war continues I will have no choice but to protect the page from editing until the issue is resolved. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

Please see my comments at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-05-08 Copa del Rey and then head over to Talk:Copa del Rey and indicate if you are happy with both the a) and the b) I posted there. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) 12:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Erm, I thought you wanted help to sort this out? --Dweller (talk) 14:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Message

I am leaving the same message in all parties talk pages.

Please read my requests carefully and stick to them. If we're going to have a successful mediation, it is important to do this a stage at a time and not to argue amongst ourselves while the dispute is still fresh and far from resolved.

All I have asked for now is for comments on the proposed paragraph. Please make them in your own area. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) 22:48, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Sorry, but i don't agree, cause it would be confusing and erroneus as i have said in previous discussions. For me the best option, if puting the simple '23' its not possible, is like it appears right now, 23 with an asterisk showing the note with the information of Bilbao claiming to have one more. Another question of that proposal would be if in Vizcaya line it will show 1/0 :D. Greets. Wikizin (talk) 21:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Wikizin. I'm posting here to ensure we keep things as calm as possible. First, I want to be clear that I have no problems with you expressing unease with my proposal. Things have gone really well so far and I thank you for fantastic co-operation.

OK, let's take these things one at a time. And maybe in reverse order ;-)

  1. I don't think anyone doubts or disputes that Vizcaya won the cup, so we don't need a zero alongside them. However a note that they are now merged to Atheltic Bilbao wouldn't go amiss. (Same for any other defunct or merged clubs on the list)
  2. Putting either 23 or 24 with an asterisk would mean Wikipedia has "taken sides" in the argument. This is bad - it would definitely contravene WP:NPOV. We can't go for 23* for the same reason we can't go for 24*.

As you know, I have no real interest in pushing either side of this dispute. Having read what I write above, do you still feel that you cannot possibly agree to "23 / 24*"?

NB I may not be able to reply to your answer for some days, as I'm taking a loooong weekend. --Dweller (talk) 12:23, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


Don't take this like i was a true stubborn, but if '23/24' appears, some people would think that Bilbao have 24 cups, and that's erroneus, that's why i didn't support that proposal in the first time. Examples of this is that in Italian football champions table, Juventus have 27 scudettos, and not 28, or Floyd Landis didn't appear in Tour de France winners, because the organization didn't recognized their titles. In these articles and in this one, a note or an asterisk is the best option, and that is what i support.
In any case, cause i suppose that the other part would not accept any resolution that don't include the 24 in the table (I think that he could be changing it for the rest of the days), i suggest another solution: 23 (24*), maybe with the 23 in bold (and so the rest of cup wins of the rest of the teams). That would clarify a neutral reader the real number of cups that Bilbao have -23-, the exception of the other part of the dispute claims -that his team have one more win-, and let you maintain the NPOV.
I saw it comming, i was the part that have to hand over... :D --Wikizin (talk) 14:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm not necessarily averse to 23 (24*). Not sure about the bolding. Anyway, let me discuss it with Deibid. --Dweller (talk) 15:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)