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[edit] Ship Barnstar

WikiProject Ships Barnstar
For creating numerous ship articles in outstanding condition! Brad (talk) 18:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


And seriously, I was surprised that no one had given you this award yet. I do a lot of maintenance checks on Navy ship articles and I began to notice that your articles are almost perfect from the moment you post them. In fact, by sight alone, I can tell if an article is one you created 99% of the time without even checking the article history. Creating ship articles is oh, so much more than just copying them out of DANFS and waking away but you have grasped what a wiki article really means.

Please don't ever be discouraged by the complainers and rebel Bots leaving messages on your talk page about what you did wrong or didn't do, as I happen to believe that your articles are a model that everyone else should follow. --Brad (talk) 18:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Brad... my plan right now is to collect the remainder of the Civil War Union ships not listed, which is almost done... (When I started there were about 168 ships in category:Union Navy ships and now there's over 600.) I'm also cleaning up earlier ones I did. After I finish that effort, I would like to go into the already-paged Union Navy articles that have no infobox or Wikified text and improve them... and also update the text from other DANFS sources. (There are more than one DANFS source.) I hope I don't upset anyone doing that... When that total effort is complete, I would like to learn how to insert photos/illustrations, and insert DANFS photos in the Union Navy ship articles that need them. -- Thanks for your comments. It's nice to know that someone cares. Wikited (talk) 19:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats, I was coming here to give you a barnstar! I'm sorry to see that someone beat me to it—but it's probably for the best, as I sure hope you already know how much I appreciate your work, and I'm glad to see someone else recognizes it too. Well done, sir! Maralia (talk) 21:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, tomorrow's my birthday, so I'll take all this as a birthday greeting. Wikited (talk) 21:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Ship disambig pages.

New trick I learned for ship disambig pages. Instead of {{disambig}}, use the {{shipindex}}. And then you can fine tune it further by using {{shipindex|Michigan}} if you were making a page for the USS Michigan, for example. Just another hidden feature of tagging :) --Brad (talk) 17:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks... I'll give it a try. It might save me some time and effort. Thanks again. Wikited (talk) 17:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

And also a trick with the {{DANFS}} template. You can, for example use the template like this: {{DANFS|http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/a7/alloway-ii.htm}} which gives you:

This article includes text from the public domain Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships. The entry can be found here.

So, using the template with the link inside can eliminate the need for an External Link section to point to the reference. Just another easy but not so apparent ability and the article looks cleaner as a result. --Brad (talk) 00:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Interesting... but what if I have two DANFS refs?Wikited (talk) 00:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Here's what I'm talking about: see USS Vanderbilt (1862)

Wikited (talk) 01:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

There was a conversation about dual links at Template_talk:DANFS#Link_parameter_added but apparently the template isn't able to handle two links yet. At least I just tried to do so with USS Vanderbilt (1862) and it didn't seem to work. Or maybe it would only work with one link to the .mil site and one to hazegray? My thoughts were more like yours; to make the linking more flexible. --Brad (talk) 01:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Update

The templates are working now. I changed USS Vanderbilt (1862) as you pointed out. I'm not too sure though, if using the second link for photos is a good idea since the template text is geared toward pointing to a ships article in the DANFS itself. You can also link within the {{NVR}} template the same way for those ships not listed in the DANFS. --Brad (talk) 06:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Nice

When we were writing the Extended Duration Orbiter article we were looking for pics of the lost EDO pallet and I found one made during STS-107 payload processing. When you added the Freestar link to the Columbia article I remembered I had seen a picture with FREESTAR when looking for EDO pictures and I could easily find it back on commons. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 20:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Civil War ships.

Howdy - Was there a main list somewhere that you used as a reference when you were filling in articles on Civil War ships? I haven't been able to find any definitive list of ships from that era. Reason I ask is that I noticed USS Cornubia (1864) has no article but there is a DANFS listing [1]. And the Cornubia is only listed at List_of_United_States_Navy_ships,_C#Co. --Brad (talk) 01:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Howdy partner -- Somebody has Cornubia listed as SS Cornubia, with a category Union Navy ships.

You can find it at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Cornubia_%28ship%29

I'll go ahead and put it on my list to fix (and make it USS Cornubia (1863)) unless you have the urge to do so.

Thanks for noticing that ... Wikited (talk)


You should be able to find a complete list by looking at the category.Wikited (talk) 01:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Category:Union Navy ships Wikited (talk) 01:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I see you moved it where it should be. I should have thought to do a word search on Cornubia to find the article. --Brad (talk) 04:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ship infoboxes

Has anyone pointed out the all new infobox at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ships/Tables for you? Seems that word isn't getting out very well. They're extremely flexible for those instances where you have a ship with a long history. --Brad (talk) 19:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Brad... I've been using the newer light blue one for a while, although originally I started out with the dark blue one. Now, when I see one of the older shipinfoboxes, I replace it with a new one, such as USS Sciota (1861) which the author did with the dark blue box. Is that what you are taling about? Am I missing something here? Wikited (talk) 19:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Whew.. tough question. There are many old boxes we aren't using anymore. The dark blue ones are very old and are being selected for replacement by looking at [2] . The light blue one you seem to be using is also old (but not as old as the dark blue ones) and is listed here: Template:Infobox Ship. The most recent infobox is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ships/Tables and while it may appear similar to Template:Infobox Ship, it is very different in how it works. Compare the text of the boxes to see the differences. As I said above, word isn't traveling very well on what box should or should not be used.
Also, if you look at [3] you will find articles that have no infobox at all; additionally I've seen more Civil War era ships in that category that you aren't aware of because they haven't been given a Civil War ship category. I hope this hasn't confused you even more but by all the conversations I've seen at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships, the infobox to be used is now at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ships/Tables. --Brad (talk) 20:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

No, you haven't confused me... Let me study the situation... As for the Civil War ships you mention that don't have an infobox, every Civil War Union ship is listed in the Category:Union Navy ships - there should be no absentees in that category, except for maybe a couple of stone ships. If you can, let me know about the ships in question. Thanks. Wikited (talk) 20:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Brad... I'm looking at the newest template you mentioned, and I see I've used it once or twice. I'll go ahead and put that template in use. It seems there are only a couple of additions on the newest template, and those newest additions are ones I don't use anyway for the ships I'm working on. By the way, I've done most of the Civil War ships. The category originally had about 160 ships when I started and now you can see it contains now almost 800. So I've been busy in that area.Wikited (talk) 21:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok then. There isn't any need to go and replace the ones you've already put down with old style boxes. Here is a few of the ships I was questioning USS Ammonoosuc (1864), USS Antietam (1864), USS Chattanooga (1864) and others marked for needing infoboxes at [4] and I'm not sure if those ships qualify as Civil War ones. --Brad (talk) 00:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

No, they are not Civil War ships as they were too late to make the cut, but I'll see what I can do about getting them infoboxes and more text when I get back on line tomorrow. Thanks for calling them out, also any others you run across in your travels, just send them my way. Ted Wikited (talk) 02:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Ammonoosuc is absolutely stunning! Nice painting you found too. Thanks. I was calling them Civil War ships but I guess that Civil War era would have made more sense since they launched during the war. Whenever you're bored just look at [5] or [6] and there's always something to work on. I've been trying to do 5 a day to get the lists pared down to reasonable levels. --Brad (talk) 18:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Brad... Big difference on Ammonoosuc, huh? I enjoy making text like that look good. Anyway, take a look at USS Antietam (1864). I couldn't do much with that page, but it looks much better now. I couldn't find a photo of the ship for the infobox, but I found one of midshipmen looking at a model of her, which I put down in the text. As for five a day, that sounds about right. I still have a lot of Civil War ships to smooth out. As for the category of Union ships, I kind of agree with you and will probably go back and make them that category. Thanks again. Ted Wikited (talk) 18:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DANFS / NHC

Hi. I notice you've been using the {{DANFS}} template to link to the NHC's image library. That isn't exactly part of DANFS, and having two links that claim to link to DANFS may be confusing. What to do... Well, we don't have a specialized template to the history.navy.mil/photos/ pages, but you can use generic citation templates, e.g.

*{{cite web
 | url= http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-civil/civsh-s/satellit.htm
 | title= USS ''Satellite'' (SP-1012)<!-- Typo corrected. -->
 | date= 30 March 2003 | work= Online Image Library | publisher= [[Naval Historical Center]]
 | accessdate= 2008-01-30 }}

to produce

And maybe stick the {{NHC}} attribution tag in somewhere. But maybe that's redundant.
—WWoods (talk) 08:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.... The problem is known and has been discussed before and, you are right, something has to be done about it, so I'll use your recommendation as a possible solution.Wikited (talk) 12:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I tried that on the other USS Satellite and it worked nicely. See USS Satellite (1854). Thanks for the help.Wikited (talk) 13:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox Help

In the Polish Wikipedia there is an infobox for Ethnic Group, which would also be useful in the U.S. Wiki for subjects like Appalachians, Polish-Americans, African-Americans, Southerners, Indian tribes, and so on. In Polish the infobox is as follows;

Template:Grupa etniczna infobox

Is there an English infobox for cultural groups, and, if not, can the Polish excample be used to create an English one? If so, How???

There is one here: {{Infobox Ethnic group}}. Let me know if you have any trouble figuring it out :) Maralia (talk) 03:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


Terrific! That's very helpful.... How do you know all this stuff?? I'm amazed.Wikited (talk) 12:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] USS Hendrick Hudson (1859)

USS Hendrick Hudson (1859), I found a duplicate article at Hendrick Hudson (1859) and have suggested a merge. Likely a simple redirect will solve this but I thought you might want to decide what is best. Thanks. --Brad (talk) 20:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Let me verify the texts and make sure all contain verifiable info, and will then redirect one or the other... Wikited (talk) 20:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
They contained the same info from DANFS, so I redirected the one page to the other. Thanks again. Wikited (talk) 20:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I redirected the talk page as well because there were assessment tags on the article. --Brad (talk) 02:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging for Image:Kurpie stamp 02.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Kurpie stamp 02.jpg. However, the copyright tag you've used is deprecated or obsolete, and should not be used. This could be because the tag is inaccurate or misleading, or because it does not adequately specify the copyright status of the image. For a list of copyright tags that are in current use, see the "List of image copyright tags" sections of Wikipedia:Image copyright tags.

For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 21:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] USS Frolic - USS Advance

Here's another.. USS Frolic (1862) and USS Advance (1862) are articles on the same ship. Advance seems to be the older of the two but is written a bit differently than Frolic. Merge or maybe shorten each article to the respective name? --Brad (talk) 02:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Brad... I'll check it out based on DANFS sources and see which is the more popular name and then merge into one page. Also will check for verified content. As you may have noted, I've been working on some Polish articles (Kurpie being one of them) and now I think I need to go back and clean up some more of the Civil War ships, including getting some pix for more of them. Ted Wikited (talk) 13:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Trying to figure this mess out at the DANFS level ... should have it complete probably by tonight or tomorrow morning. Ted Wikited (talk) 01:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, no hurry. I saw another CW ship the other day that had no infobox but I've forgotten which one :) I should have left a message here when I saw it. --Brad (talk) 09:36, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Done.... USS Advance (1862) looks ok now (significantly expanded from DANFS and Wikified) and USS Frolic (1862) is redirected. Thanks. Let me know if you find any others that need drastic help. I'll continue sampling Civil War ships that need improvement, pix, etc. TedWikited (talk) 01:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Yep, looks good. I keep finding articles that have languished for several years in various states of disarray. I've also been finding some ships listed in danfs that were used for the Stone Fleet but that article didn't list them as part of the fleet. Couldn't find a definitive list of Stone Fleet ships anywhere around. --Brad (talk) 02:45, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hello!

Haven't heard from you in a bit; hope all is well with you. I wanted to let you know about a general wiki meetup in DC that's being planned for May. I live in Northern Virginia and will probably make it (presuming I can offload my kid on someone for the day!). User:TomTheHand is going to try to make it up from NC. We're talking about trying to get over to the Navy Museum, too (unfortunately the NHC offices & library are closed on weekends). Interested? The planning page is at Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4. Maralia (talk) 17:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. Let me check out the details, plus my schedule which includes a ship reunion in Annapolis about that time, plus my teaching schedule. Thanks for the heads up.Wikited (talk) 19:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] USS Awatobi

Hey Ted! I noticed that you just created USS Awatobi (YTB-264), and I had a couple of suggestions and requests. First, in the infobox, the "Ship class=" field displays as "Class and type:", so instead of filling in both "Ship class" and "Ship type" it's better to just put "Cahto-class district harbor tug" into "Ship class=". Second, when you add categories to a new article, please place them in the most specific categories possible. Category:World War II ships really shouldn't have many articles directly in it; Awatobi would be better categorized in something like Category:World War II auxiliary ships of the United States. Thanks! TomTheHand (talk) 15:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Good point... I didn't notice that and didn't realize we had that category of World War II auxiliary ships of the United States. Do we have one for World War I auxiliary ships as I'm working on some of them too... I'll take care of it right after lunch, unless you want to make the changes for me. Thanks. Wikited (talk) 15:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix on Awatobi. I found the cat for Category:World War I auxiliary ships of the United States and am changing cats on those World War I auxiliaries.Wikited (talk) 16:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your images

I like your images, but have two comments. You should use a infobox and geotag the images; and they should go to the commons! :-) --evrik (talk) 17:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought they were going to the Commons. But I don't understand what a geotag is. Can you direct me to an image where all this is properly done so I can better understand the process. Thanks.Wikited (talk) 23:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)