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[edit] Intro to Torts Article

Thanks for the support, Wikidea - coming from a veteran editor like you who has done so much for WP:Law, that means a lot to me. Non Curat Lex (talk) 04:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Follow-up: I don't know if anyone has ever stated their appreciation for how much you've added to wikipedia's base of articles on common law. Therefore...

The Original Barnstar
For starting or substantially expanding a number of significant law-related articles, and helping make wikipedia a source of information for people interested in law. Thanks, mate. Non Curat Lex (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
'Tis my pleasure. Personally, I don't do it for recognition or for cookies, but for love of the subject matter, and the desire to provide accurate information. The same would seem to be true of your work here. Keep up the good work. Non Curat Lex (talk) 08:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Obama FAR

Hi there, I am just writing to inform you that we have apparently been conducting the Barack Obama FAR incorrectly. Your vote of "keep" or "remove" should be struck out and reinserted when the nomination moves into FARC (per the directions at WP:FAR). I was just notified of this myself; please see the bottom of the FAR page for more. Thanks, Happyme22 (talk) 22:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] No personal attacks, please

With regard to your comments on Talk:Barack Obama: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. I'd appreciate it if you removed this comment. I'd be happy to discuss the question of whether Barack Obama ever attended a mosque as a child, and whether or not doing so makes him a "practitioner of the Muslim faith", but insults of this kind are unacceptable on Wikipedia. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I suspect that you've misinterpreted my comments, especially if you think I'm an Obama opponent. I've been trying to keep my personal views from affecting my editing, and if you think I'm a McCain supporter I suppose I must be doing a good job. To clarify the subject that provoked your "stupid" comment: No, Obama was never a Muslim in any standard sense of the word. However, as a child he did occasionally attend services at a mosque in Jakarta with his stepfather and friends. You may have thought that I was mocking Obama when I quoted HMS Pinafore, but that was far from my intent. I was merely trying to insert a bit of levity into the discussion. As the Doctor once said, I'm serious about what I do, but not necessarily about the way that I do it.
For the record, I am trying to keep the quality of the Obama page up, and if the FAR goes to FARC, I plan to vote "keep", because I think the article has withstood some rather malicious attacks quite well. However, as a Wikipedian, I have a duty to accuracy, and my comment about Obama having praised Allah was in that vein. I was not at all "trying to bring the Obama page down". —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 14:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the retraction. (I've been busy with real-life stuff and only just got back to Wikipedia to see it.) Would you mind removing or striking through the comment on the talk page? Thanks. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch — I really appreciate it. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tesco

I realise that while most of these cases do not have BAILII references, they still need to satisfy verifiability policy. How is this to be achieved by a reader without a reference? By going to the Court and asking to see the papers? Also, what's wrong with using the Case citation template? It's a standard reference method. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 13:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stalking

Thank you for your message on my talk page. I assure you I am not stalking and I am dumbfounded by the accusation. I am a lawyer so articles relating to legal matters are of interest to me. We can disagree over the edit I made to the Guth v. Loft article, but please do not make baseless allegations. Also you do not own the article you create, so please do not behave as if you do. Thank you. – ukexpat (talk) 19:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. – ukexpat (talk) 19:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Tort Reform

Wikidea: I'm not in denial about American medical malpractice, and I am not a supporter of tort reform! But the 195,000 figure is not "per year" - it was an average for three years, and it is not current. Actually, no one seems to know what the current numbers are (probably a Bush coverup), but like you said, the most recent data from the CDC puts it at 98,000 for '05. That would be a 50% drop if the numbers from '01-03 were correct. Also, there's no comparison for death rate by population. I think choosing that statistic, and putting in the sentence, "the American record is the worst in the civilised world" makes the article less credible not more, when it comes to dispelling the myth of tort --- err, providing the facts about --- "tort reform." I think we can make the point well enough without editorializing. Non Curat Lex (talk) 19:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Follow-up: I have an idea: to avoid NPOV issues, could we find some way of disclaiming the uncertainty about the exact numbers? Non Curat Lex (talk) 21:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I replied to your post at my user page. Non Curat Lex (talk) 21:45, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Userfied

See User:Wikidea/The Burke Group. Bear in mind that these people have lawyers, and be very careful if you name names or mention personally identifying details. Yes? Guy (Help!) 20:59, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Burke Group

I see Guy has already userfied the article to your user space if you want to use it as a basis to build upon. He also responded on his talk page. I'd have to agree with his assessment of the article as it exists: It is strongly POV and negative. These traits also seem embedded in the basic fabric of the article, making simple revision for balance difficult if not impossible without essentially starting from scratch. It's not that the Burke Group is non-notable (it probably is) but that there is no assertion of notability in the article. IOW, why is it a notable company? Generally, WP:V and WP:RS sources are needed. You've included a number of such sources in the article but all seem to be negative and others apparently may not be pertinent to the subject. I suspect your labour law background is part of the reason for your bias in this situation. I completely understand this but it ignores the reasons and rationale behind why companies would hire Burke Group in the first place to, um, monitor their labour force and preemptively sabotage union efforts. There must be news stories to this effect: the advantages of hiring this company and keeping unions out. Personally, I have little sympathy for these tactics or perspective but as WP editor, I'm also committed to trying to balance the views/perspectives in articles. I have no idea whether you are interested in trying to orient the article towards something a bit more NPOV. Unless such changes are made, the article will not stay up if reposted. It doesn't have to be a glowing testimonial to the company but it does need more balance to it. If you want some specific points of feedback, I'd be willing to give that a try but I'm not that interested in doing the development of the article. Sorry but I have some other things I'm working on and need to focus elsewhere. Hope this helps and isn't too discouraging. Cheers, Pigman☿ 23:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of The Burke Group

I have nominated The Burke Group, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Burke Group. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Guy (Help!) 13:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Pensions & Investment Research Consultants Ltd

Danke, mir geht es ganz leidlich....and sorry for the belated reply; I had a look the deleted version, and there is nothing there worthy saving...if you really want, I could mail you the deleted edits. And just a little thing: the main grounds for deletion was A7 (which means notability not established, and G11 (blatant advertising) as secondary though (this is my way of dealing with sub-stub articles with a single link attached, and at least a certain possibility of WP:COI).

Let me congratulate you on your German, and cheers and happy editing. Lectonar (talk) 16:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Blue Arrow, Holborn.jpg

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[edit] Talk:Economics#Mess

Hello again, Wikidea. If you'd wish to add or revise anything on the above, I would not object. All comments there should of course be guided by Policies and Guidelines, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Civility, Wikipedia:Wikiquette, and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, as stated or suggested in several of the above sections. If you choose to act on this, you might also consider consulting Talk:Economics & its archives, particularly everything I've ever written there... I would not anticipate commenting on the above prior to May 2 (or beyond if you can't get to it before then).

On an altogether different matter, please forgive the following personal note & possible presumption. I see that you live in London & like beer. I have enjoyed both (though not at the same time). Conspicuously absent in your listed likes was strolling (or jogging, as I did on my one & only opportunity) there pre-dawn. You're, I'd gather from your interests, a very active person, but if you haven't done that recently (or its equivalent), you might find it time well spent. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 13:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thx for replying. Concerning your opening point, the 2nd para. above was intended as a pleasantry (that & a little proselytizing for excercise), based on what you stated on your User page.
As written, at a minimum Talk:Economics#Mess is open to the criticism that it starts by violating Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#New topics and headings on talk pages ("Keep headings neutral"). You might also consider taking account of Talk:Economics/Archive 10#Failed "good article" nomination in your Edit.
I believe that such differences in evaluation of quality of Edits as we might have are better resolved by making one's best case at the Edit summary or on the Talk page as to a specific area of the article and expecting others to do the same, rather than blanket value judgements. -Thomasmeeks (talk) 19:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
It's quite a list of things that you have on my Talk p. Would you consider looking at my response there if I wrote one? Suppose the answer is "yes." It might still take me awhile to respond initially or fully, but I'd let you know when it was ready. There would be no expectation of a quick (or even any) reply. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 14:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I'll take your non-response as a "no," Wikidea. Have a good day. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 17:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, a quick response by you (to my Edit on Talk:Economics#Mess), which obviously I consider an improvement. Your Edit summary was gutsy. You might ocnsider one other thing: an additional signature stamp indicating an Edit subsequent to April 28. If you can work anything in saying that you took out or edited materiel to which I was responding, that would be good. As it stands now, my 1st para. refers to a quotation ("various authors' snippets of anecdotes") not in your current Edit. My 2nd para. looks like I'm responding to non-existent criticisms. Your current Edit of course makes my 2nd para. unnecesary. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 23:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiCookie

Just stopping by with wikicookies for those editors who started new articles today. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Paul Diamond (lawyer)

A tag has been placed on Paul Diamond (lawyer), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read our the guidelines on spam as well as the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ for more information.

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[edit] Paul Diamond

Fine, but the onus is on you to make sure that the article is up to snuff, not on an administrator to necessarily give you the benefit of the doubt before you've done so. Bearcat (talk) 17:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

If I ever come across an administrator who deletes pages without reading them first, I'll let them know that. Bearcat (talk) 17:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Legal citations are done in an entirely different format from citations in an encyclopedia. Your citations use legal format, and violate our manual of style; this is not a law journal. Please read WP:CITE for more details. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be belligerent, since I walk a peaceful path; but the incivil, gratuitous and meretricious use of the false pejorative "frivolous" for a voluntary labor of some hours does leave me feeling rather resentful. Could you at least please conform these citations to one of the approved formats for citations in Wikipedia (presumably Bluebook would suit your professional needs best); and remove the honorifics and other lawyerly flourishes which violate our Manual of Style? --Orange Mike | Talk 13:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I've posted a plaintive plea for guidance at Wikipedia talk:Citing sources. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments.

I have replaced the line that talks about Paul Diamond being controversial (otherwise why would he be on Wikipedia :) As well as the line that talks about him getting the Times Online "Lawyer of the Week"

I still believe that he deals with political hot potatoes and that is one of the main reason for him not winning any cases. I will endeavour to find some evidence to support this conjecture.

TheLogster —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelogster (talk • contribs) 19:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi - I feel that the BA case about the Sabbath worker needs it's own case entry, as it is not relevant to the BA Cross case, which is about uniforms and cross wearing, and not about working on Saturdays. Cheers --TheLogster (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You seem to have completely reverted my changes without responding to the possibly of discussion, I have therefore reported the change.--TheLogster (talk) 15:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for responding, you comments have been taken aboard. The BA Cross case entry is about the defendant refusing to cover up her cross, when BA changed it's uniform. It is not about a man not want to work on Saturdays as he is Jewish. I understand the it is relevant to Paul Diamond, and wholeheartedly support it's addition. However, I am sure will agree, that is not relevant to the BA cross entry, as it is not about wearing religious symbols. It really needs it's own entry. --TheLogster (talk) 15:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks like were getting nowhere real fast, I have asked for advice from the wikipedia admins --TheLogster (talk) 15:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Failure to communicate

Okay, now I'm officially totally lost. "You're wrong, and if you spent half a second clicking on any of the links on the end of the cases that I put up on that page you would see why." Regarding what am I wrong? What links am I supposed to click, and on what will they enlighten me? I'm highly confused. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see. No problem with the case citations; I defer, of course, to your professional knowledge. I am actually more concerned about the seemingly petty stuff, such as the "See also" (implicit, and to be avoided) and the rest of the formatting of references to articles in the press; and the aforementioned furbelows and fustian: the use of honorifics, the use of judges' and litigants' names, etc. (I'm an editor by trade; can't you tell? Anal-retentive must be spelled with the canonical hyphen!) I would also appreciate it if you would check me out as I attempt to wikilink the names of the various courts and jurisdictions correctly. (There is at present no article on the Administrative Courts, for example, so I linked to Queen's Bench; is that correct?) --Orange Mike | Talk 17:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Diamond.

Orangemike said he'd try to polish the article a bit, don't want to edit conflict him. · AndonicO Engage. 16:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Taylor v. Connex South Eastern Ltd

With reference to the quotefarm tag I put on the above article, I'm inclined to agree with your comment on my talk page :) Best wishes, Poltair (talk) 22:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tesco

You're right, of course - I was looking for a ref section. Acroterion (talk) 01:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD on Tesco litigation

I ripped them a Tardis sized new one. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 17:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Redfearn v. Serco Ltd

Redfearn v. Serco Ltd is much clearer now - good work! --  Chzz  ►  21:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)