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[edit] Speedy deletion of A.O. Smith Corporation

A tag has been placed on A.O. Smith Corporation requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for companies and corporations.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Paste (talk) 16:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of PHH Corporation

A tag has been placed on PHH Corporation requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for companies and corporations.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Rob Banzai (talk) 17:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] PHH Corportation

Hi WikiSkeptic. Looks like Rbanzi had a change of heart and beat me to it. Let me know if you need a third opinion on anything else, though. Olaf Davis | Talk 08:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help

Sorry, but I have my hands full. Cannot help everyone. it's not possible to be everywhere always. --Ludvikus (talk) 18:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your support. Very much appreciated. --Ludvikus (talk) 18:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;" |rowspan="2" valign="middle" | [[Image:Peace Barnstar 6.png|100px]] |rowspan="2" | |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Barnstar of Peace''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I award you this Barnstar for your support on the side of Peace & Righteousness. Thanx again! [[User:Ludvikus|Ludvikus]] ([[User talk:Ludvikus|talk]]) 17:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC) |} You've changed what I said. So I'm taking it back. --Ludvikus (talk) 21:37, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

i'm assuming good faith, and waiting for you to show where I changed something you said. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 21:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Columbia College

Thanks for the reminder. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 17:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Provocations at User talk:Ludvikus

Please tread lightly. El_C 20:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Note that if you continue to attack other editors (accusing them of "lynching"), you will be censured. Follow dispute resolution, instead. El_C 20:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
El_C is right regarding language usage. Take a break. Restrain your lanuage. Make Peace. --Ludvikus (talk) 21:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
That's all taken out of context. Go see how User:Appletrees operates and then come back and say that. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 21:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
You used that language in a way that offended that other person who came to me for help. Why you put that reference to a "masXXX" on his page is not right. You are welcome to my home page to discuss your concern. But be very careful in the use of language against a 3rd person. --Ludvikus (talk) 21:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
PS: context Yes. That can happen. --Ludvikus (talk) 21:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough, than delete away and keep your page as clean as you like. But let's not all consider El C some sort of paragon of Wikietiquette... look at "You gotta stop now. Thx. El_C 20:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)" the very least aggressive of his comments and handling of a situation with a n00b. Looks at his version's caption for the picture of the girls as if to drive home "faces faces faces, hey islamic fundamentalists, we are putting faces of girls on wikipedia nah nah nah NAH nah" -WikiSkeptic (talk) 21:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Listen. I had practically an edit war with El_C. But now I'm treating him the way you treated me. He happens to be correct about your implication that that editor was like those who did you know what in Palestine. Also - it was not me who cleaned up my Page - it was El_C. He didn't even let me know. But I remember what you wrote. Also, that person came to me for help because he saw that I had given you a Barnstar for your defense of me. Now I am on your side too. Please listen carefully to what I'm telling you. --Ludvikus (talk) 21:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
  • And now your saying something of the same kind against El_C regarding "girls" - are you unaware that there are 1,000 of Administrators at Wikipedia who will lock you out for that? Take a break - and stop now criticising El_C in such harsh way (I may be too generous in discribing your use of language). Why don't you send me an eMail - there you can say anything you want about anybody. I'll try to find a solution for you. Do you know how to access my Email? --Ludvikus (talk) 21:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Did you actually read his edit in question? Take a look at his draft: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kabul&oldid=211331989 . "General faces of women in Kabul."--and this is a situation where context is only more damaging--User:Bistiks is expressing concern about violation of Islamic codes of depiction of the human form as the edit record reveals. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 21:37, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

My edit had nothing to do with that image, it was about the removal of another pic ("This is appropiate picture with privacy for females"). El_C 21:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't dispute that. But we all know that when you're edit-battling, if not quite edit-warring, with somebody, it's the totality of the draft you present that represents your viewpoint, and unnecessarily presenting a picture of human beings waiting as "the faces of these girls" may be seen as aggressive by the other party. Even as the draft stands, all the caption titles are like "FEMALE students waiting." "FEMALE students in the computer room;" can you imagine the page on Berlin or London reading like that? -WikiSkeptic (talk) 21:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I cannot be expected to review an entire article every single time I review an isolated edit therein. This was in a wholly different section. El_C 21:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be seen as a true commitment to NPOV if you altered the captions on the photos to not be "female this" "female that." Maybe it's more than what's absolutely called for, but isn't that the beginning of a true diplomatic solution? -WikiSkeptic (talk) 21:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I hope you understand the gravity of your "lynching" attack and why it will not be tolerated a second time. El_C 21:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe the word I used was "techno-lynching" if we need to be precise. And I believe it was used as a description of text and not as a direct comment to an individual.

<aside>One irony of all this is that the original creator of the Peace barnstar was eventually banned for being too aggressive. Look it up. </aside>-WikiSkeptic (talk) 22:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

  1. No one was banned. Ludvikus is restricted from moves for a little while due to many, many problems.
  2. That Barnstar was created last year, by another user and has no bearing to anything.
  3. Just because you were given a barnstar, is no reason to avoid scrutiny and blindly defend the user who awarded you with it.
  4. Hyphenating the word techno before lynching, in that context, is just as bad. El_C 22:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
As per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars, User:Defender_911, original creator of the Peace Barnstar, was banned.-WikiSkeptic (talk) 22:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
And this is pertinent to what again? You said the irony was Ludvikus haviing created the barsntar, I just point out it was created in August 2007 by someone who was not him. El_C 22:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Let me talk to WikiSkeptic - maybe I can resolve matters. He's now talking to me too. I think I can calm things down. If I cannot, I shall return here. --Ludvikus (talk) 22:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
If WS is going to continue with the "lynching" attacks, he will be blocked without further warning. El_C 22:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
What do you mean "continue?" Where do I use it more than once? -WikiSkeptic (talk) 22:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Here and here. El_C 22:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
That's disingenuous. THose comments were made simultaneously. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 22:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
And you continue to defend the attack, that's a problem, too. El_C 22:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
No, I do give you full license to delete away whatever. It won't change systematic bias on Battle of Jutland or the fact that there's several different individuals who are claiming on Irgun that certain bank-robbers (and that's not an insult, that's just a cold, emotionless description) are actually "young Irgun members." -WikiSkeptic (talk) 22:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea what any of that is about. I only insist that you adhere to our no attacks and civility policies. El_C 22:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
But since he had written on my Page, El_C, don't you think you should have informed me about the incident as well? I had no idea what was going on. You could have given me some opportunity to handle it. Instead, I think, you've been spilling gasoline on the fire - as you've done with me. You take sides too quickly. And you're treating the man like a child. Now stop it already. He's got your message! --Ludvikus (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
You just don't know when to stop, do you? El_C 22:56, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Andy Warhol & Umberto Eco & Metaphor

I think it would do you good to research the above - it seems you are unaware of your effect on other people. You create an environment on your homepage designed in such a way as alienate people from you. Everything you do there has NO CONTEXT. Right now you're not effective as a soldier at all. You sould also look up The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, - maybe rent it out. --Ludvikus (talk) 22:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC) PS: How would you deal with me if you knew I was English? --Ludvikus (talk) 22:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

OK Professor. <friendlily> However, this reading list is going to take some time to digest. re: Israel--how can you write, I support them 100%??? did even you even read about that massacre? and the King Dzavid bombing???-WikiSkeptic (talk) 22:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
You got that title right! Don't engage the MP's at Wikipedia - that's all some of them know how to do (notice that no one knows who I mean)! --Ludvikus (talk) 22:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

PS1: Come to my page for a moment, soldier. See what's happening now. --Ludvikus (talk) 23:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC) PS2: El_C now thinks that I used - which in fact you used. He just told me that's he is a breath away from "banning" me - for what you did. You see how careful you have to be in the use of language. You should not use any such language! --Ludvikus (talk) 23:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your contiuous personal attacks

Please do not attack other editors, which you did here: User:WikiSkeptic. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AWikiSkeptic&diff=211908332&oldid=211352135

You have been warned for your extreme incivility several times by an admin and other editors including me. This comment was written right after I reverted your just "claim" with no source.[1][2] You insulted me enough. This will be my last time to bear your insult. Be careful and refrain yourself from doing such behaviors.--Appletrees (talk) 17:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Who are you? My Page is not directed at you and I certainly don't keep track of your editing history. Nobody's insulted you. I haven't even written on any of your pages in days. Please don't see insults where none are directed to you. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 17:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Who am I? I'm the one who has been offended several times by your continuous incivility and personal attacks. I provided the diff what you did to me. That could be a coincidence. Okay, I let the admin who warned your wrongdoings to know of this and judge the behaviors. --Appletrees (talk) 17:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd appreciate it if you'd stop Wiki-stalking me. You may find this to be some kind of joke, but I take what you are doing seriously. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 17:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
No way, what a unfunny joking you're throwing. Look at the articles that you edited recently. You will see my edit much earlier and the article have been on my watch list for a long time. You also insult me and false accuse me of wikistalking you. I think you've been wikistaling me instead. You left the horrendous personal attacks at the talk of User:Azukimonaka's SSP. You must stop the disruptive behaviors. --Appletrees (talk) 17:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, but I've been editing East Asian articles since 2004. I certainly don't keep track of your watch list, and have never seen it to my knowledge. This is called paranoia when you think I'm watching what you do as if I actually care. And thank you, we've already estalbished that Jap is not an ethnic slur in every country. The Wikipedia article itself explains that it is used in Japan and other countries as simply an abbreviation. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 17:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Whatever you excuse yourself, the records of your incivility and personal attacks do not go away. You've offended many people with your inappropriate comments. Then, you false accuse me of following you and then evade your false accusation and incivility issues to Jap matter. Now you accuse me of being paranoid? What a nice compliment. You know I'm a Korean that's why you brought up Seung-hui Cho the other day in order to offend me more. Your unique way of calling people from Asia "Jap', "Kap", "Cap" which are insultive as well. Don't worry, if your thought would be right, you would not be in any trouble. --Appletrees (talk) 17:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Immediately after I warned you about the "lynching" comment, you followed me to Skopje (me → you), and to Kabul (me → you). How do you explain that? I doubt it's a coincidence, since you made few (if any) other mainspace edits during the time. El_C 22:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

My comment was intended to stop the argument before it got even more out of hand - and also hopefully edit conflict any escalation-in-progress. Administrators will be reviewing both your actions now that this has been brought up, and will determine if any action is necessary. Hersfold (t/a/c) 19:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Block

You've been blocked for 24 hours for repeated personal attacks and racist comments. Please stay civil and don't make personal attacks.-Wafulz (talk) 19:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Outrageous, I respect Hersfold's demand that I don't appeal the process directly and meanwhile Appletrees goes hog wild on spurious accusations, and this is the outcome. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 19:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I have received your message requesting help. You have been blocked, per above, for making racist comments and personal attacks. If you want you block reviewed please use {{unblock|your reason here}}. Though please do not abuse it - it will only escalate the situation. Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

You were already subject to a warning for the "lynching" comment. Explain to me why I shouldn't extend your block duration to one week? El_C 21:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
That's not a rhetorical question, incidentally. Irrespectively, I have extended the block duration to 72 hours (at the very least, you are faced with that), in light of the past warning and other problematic activity (see my comment here). El_C 22:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)