User talk:WikiProject Baseball players/Archive 1
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[edit] Images
On Manny Ramirez's page, I was just putting up the infobox template. However, when trying to put in the image, MR1.JPG, it was much too large for the article. How can I resize it while not breaking the template? Thanks. - PoliticalJunkie 16:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Retrosheet player pages
Baseball-Reference.com is friendlier for the typical visitor and it includes roughly the same information --except for careers covered by the core Retrosheet project, digitizing play-by-play records, whose published scope is now major league regular season 1957 to a recent date.
Retrosheet.org includes cemetery data, career end dates as well as begin dates, and some umpire service data, so it is the better resource for whoever writes a basic stub. (The basic stubs that I have expanded to ample ones did not include cemetery data or Retrosheet links. I put cemetery data in the last line of text and Retrosheet in the References where I relied upon it.)
A template or two for linking and citing Retrosheet may be useful. See below, linking and citing Baseball-Reference. --P64 03:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Baseball-Reference, linking and citing
John Hatfield now links to Baseball-Reference redundantly in illustration of several points bulleted here. --P64 04:58, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
The template is not great for use in a list of references, despite fortunate placement at or near the top of any alphabetical list.
- See Harry Wright#References for example with template links to both player and manager records and not quite at the top of the list. See Doug Allison#References for example with the template link and somewhat standard citation for the same source one after the other.
- Should it be used in every biography of a major league player or manager? On the other hand, is its purpose mainly to help people who expand stubs, normally to disappear from an article as it is completed?
- One of these I found as the sole item in "External Links", just below the end of the text (above References, a bad place for External Links). Is the template intended easily and permanently to provide ready access to a major league record from any biography article whose subject is a major player or manager? --that is, not "normally to disappear ... as it is completed"
- Personally, I applaud this approach in general, having zero interest in a print edition. But Wikipedia may deplore that, even ban it.
- For the 'pedia, maybe it should expand to an italic blockquote as follows, where the model is "This section is a stub."
"See his Career playing record ^ at baseball-reference"
(Back to the adorable/deplorable approach in general.) Then (as for "External Links" in John Hatfield a I write) it should be above See also, Notes, References, series boxes, categories, and stub tags. But (contrary to this example) "External Links" sectioning is inappropriate and the template should expand to something along these lines.
Career playing record[^] at Baseball-Reference Player record[^] at Baseball-Reference Major league record[^] at Baseball-Reference (player) Vital and Playing statistics[^] at baseball-reference
Those are four alternatives for external links to player pages, easy to multiply and easy to modify for manager(ial) records.
Career managing record[^] at Baseball-Reference . . .
Of course the highlighted linkname should be the first part (marked [^]) of any version selected, not not "Baseball-Reference.com"
- If a link to a manager or player page is included in the text of a major leaguer biography, Baseball-Reference should be one of the listed References too (presuming that the author used it). Perhaps there should be two templates, one catch-all for listing in References and one with variations --at least player and manager-- for inclusion in articles.
- See his Career playing record at baseball-reference. - Baseball-Reference. "FirstName LastName". Retrieved 2006-??-??.
--P64 04:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
