Template talk:Wikiquote

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[edit] Usage

{{wikiquote|pagename|displaytext}}
{{wikiquote}} is equivalent to {{wikiquote|{{PAGENAME}}}}

[edit] Wording

I think "collection of quotations" would read better than "collection of quotes". Anyone else? –Hajor 15:40, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It looks ugly. Can't we shorten it by saying "Quotes from Bob Smith" or just "Bob Smith" or something? The logo already identifies it as wikiquote.--GD 18:35, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Something like that over there? Lighter on the eye without the bold type. –Hajor

 Quotations from Wikiquote on Wikiquote




Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of this ("Quotes by Bob Smith"):

 Quotes by Wikiquote

The logo already says it's wikiquote. The redundancy is unneeded. --GD 21:52, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The logo itself is not sufficiently explanatory and easily ignored by text-oriented people. I strongly oppose the non-bold version, it looks very ugly in a serif font. As for "from vs. by", keep in mind that the template is also used on pages about books and movies.--Eloquence*

We need the project name in the template, so that the name is indexed by Google. -- user:zanimum

[edit] Please let's delete the link to Wikiquote

I agree with GD. Please let's delete the link to the [[Wikiquote]] article. It doesn't make sense for several reasons:

  1. It is distracting. I bet a million to one that any reader of the [[Bob Smith]] article will be more interested in Bob's quotes than in a Wikipedia article describing a wiki based project, which is unrelated to Bob Smith.
  2. It is misleading. If Jane Doe wants to read Bob Smith's quotes and clicks on the first best link in the box she is led to the wrong article.
  3. It creates hundreds (and soon thousands) of irrelevant links from all Bob Smiths in the world – see Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Wikiquote.
  4. If Jane wants to find out what Wikiquote is, she has many ways to do so on Wikiquote itself already. In fact, the link to Bob Smith's quotes already is an excellent demonstration, using an example she cares about.
  5. If we really want to draw traffic to the [[Wikiquote]] article, it would be more forthright to do so with a link on the Wikiquote Main Page.
  6. Googlebombing can not be a serious reason for imposing something that readers don't want!

Sebastian 03:09, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)

Agree. All 6 reasons are good ones. --Singkong2005 02:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Agree. This needs to be brought up again. --Steinninn 16:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion moved from Village pump

I see that the template {{wikiquote}} inserted into an article (e.g., Diana, Princess of Wales) puts a nice infobox that there are quotes by this article title in wikiquotes. I'm trying to find where this template is defined--I wanted to see whether it was parameterizable (i.e., add a person's name to insert xref in another topic where the person had a quote ABOUT the topic), but I can't find it, and I'm going in circles. I tried:

  • Wikipedia:MediaWiki namespace, which has links to:
    • "PHP, without links", which actually displays a page named "All system messages" (which is really Special:Allmessages)
    • "with view links", which appears to take me to exactly the same place (although I can see there's a parameter on the URL)
    • "with edit links", which actually displays a page named "Wikipedia: All system messages", which looks like the same list *again* but with a different display format (the subtleties of these 3 variants are lost on me despite labels)
    • Wikipedia:Unprotected MediaWiki messages, which is an apparently random selection of messages whose only commonality is that you can edit them (?)
    • Wikipedia:All pages in the MediaWiki namespace, which takes you to a page titled "Wikipedia:All pages in the MediaWiki and Template namespace", which I would assume has everything on it, but wikiquote isn't there, either; this page has links to:

In Wikipedia:Template namespace, there's a search URL that you're suppoesd to be able to use to find any item anywhere in the template namespace, but I plugged in wikiquote and it didn't find anything.

I am going in circles and getting nowhere.

  1. Is there any reason that we have to have this plethora of circular lists of references to mostly identical lists of messages? Can someone clean this stuff up please?
  2. Where else is there to look for things like {{wikiquote}}</nowki> to find what's available, what they do, how to use them, etc.? (I have to say that, with labels that don't match where you're going, and the going in circles, and the inconsistent descriptions of going to the same places, if this set of pages & links were a user interface design, it would flunk. But that's the frustration speaking.) ~~~~
Are you looking for Template:Wikiquote? I didn't look too closely there for info about how to use it, but there's a discussion page and a history page so you could contact contributors directly if no one responds on the discussion page. older≠wiser 17:16, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Yup, that's what I was looking for. Thanks. I guess the hint should be listed somewhere to "try Template:nameofthingie" if it's not in any of the lists--I just didn't think about doing that and assumed it would be in one of the lists. Elf | Talk 17:23, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The current development version of MediaWiki gives you a list of all templates used on a page when you edit it.--Eloquence* 19:38, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)

End moved discussion

[edit] How people shoud find this template?

[edit] Bolding

I think that the page name should be bolded, since people will usually want to read about that rather than about wikiquote. I'll change it on wikiquote also. If anybody has a problem with this, feel free to revert, but please leave a note here! Thanks. -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee|✍]] 03:08, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ah, I just noticed that pagename is italisized in the wiktionary template. Personally, I don't have a preference for bolding or italics...I'll leave it bolded for now, but whether it's bold or italics, it still gives emphasis, and that's what I was trying to accomplish. -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee|✍]] 03:11, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Why the anchor text should be bigger than just PAGENAME

The current wikiquote link template says "Wikiquote has a collection of quotations by or about **PAGE NAME**.", where only the text enclosed in asterisks is actually linked to the wikiquote page. It's a fairly standard HTML convention, IMHO, that the anchor text should do a maximally clear job of describing what exactly it links to. One of the more common (and more obnoxious) violations of this is the wide-spread habit of using "click here" as the anchor text.

This case is somewhat more subtle, but I still think it's worth correcting. Since what's being linked to is specifically the collection of quotations by or about foo rather than foo itself in any sense of the word, I believe it's better to use that entire phrase (a collection...PAGE NAME) as the anchor text. It might be slightly less visually aesthetic, but I think it conveys the meaning of the link much better, and requires less effort by a user since the clickable area is wider.

If you feel otherwise, please explain here. Zyqqh 23:38, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Your solution was no better because now almost all of the texts is a link. I'm going to revert to a version which worked well. -- Netoholic @ 01:48, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)
What is wrong with most of the text being a link, especially given that the effectively sole function of this template is to direct a user to another URL, which is accomplished by, unsurprisingly, a link? The only extra information conveyed is that the page linked to is part of another site, but most users clicking on this template will presumably be primarily interested in the link itself rather than the larger collection its part of. Zyqqh 02:24, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
A long section of linked text is extremely unattractive. Our "Links" Manual of Style gives some suggestions – "Do not make too many links. An article may be considered overlinked if (more than) 10% of the words are contained in links". -- Netoholic @ 01:49, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)

[edit] Vertical white space

The amount of white space looks excessive to me (on 800 px wide display): see George Eliot for an example. I have just added {{wikiquote}} and the difference between the compact wikisource presentation and the bloated wikiquote one is rather large. However I do not know enough to fix this, can anyone else help? - Wikibob | Talk 12:25, 2005 Jan 6 (UTC)

I have just made an edit which seems to work. ~ Kalki 22:04, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Protection

Why protect this page, but not Template:Sisterproject which it references? Ojw 17:49, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] wikiquote and wikiquotepar

I've just updated this template to match the wording of Template:wikiquotepar. Someone with more MediaWiki-foo: Would it work to simply replace the text of this template with

{{wikisourcepar|{{PAGENAME}}}}

and then leave it like that forever? Is there any advantage to using

{{subst:wikisourcepar|{{PAGENAME}}}}

instead? (The latter seems to break the page preview feature, though.)

If that would actually work, and not cause a performance hit, I think all of the sister-project template pairs — wiktionary[par], wikisource[par], and wikiquote[par] — should be updated that way. --Quuxplusone 16:32, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

These are updated so rarely, it's simple to just update them manually rather than having any on-going performance hit. -- Netoholic @ 17:43, 2005 Jun 17 (UTC)
I think this is a great idea because then people will have to fight over the looks of one template only and the other will always automatically follow. This is already used in e.g. Template:cookbook (look at the source) This template should follow the behaviour, if there is not a good reason to make the templates look different. --Easyas12c 22:53, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New format

<div class="infobox sisterproject">[[Image:Wikiquote-logo-en.png|left|50px| ]]
<div style="margin-left: 60px;">[[Wikiquote]] has a collection of quotations related to:
<div style="margin-left: 10px;">'''''[[Wikiquote:{{{1|Special:Search/{{PAGENAME}}}}}|{{{2|{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}]]'''''</div>
</div>
</div>

Please change the template as shown above. With this method, we can merge the utility of Template:Wikiquotepar into this single template. See Template:Wiktionary for an example of how this method will work. -- Netoholic @ 17:12, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, searching in case somebody didn't get the title exactly right, clever. I changed it. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 17:29, Jan. 20, 2006
Right, and if a page exists with the exact same title as the search term, it puts you directly to that page anyway, so no loss. Thanks. -- Netoholic @ 17:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interwiki link to vi:

Please add an interwiki link to the Vietnamese version of this template:

[[vi:Tiêu bản:Wikiquote]]

Thanks.

 – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 09:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. JesseW, the juggling janitor 23:54, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interwiki links

Please, add:

--V111P 20:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Applied, thanks for your attention to these matters. JesseW, the juggling janitor 22:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] change text

the text now reads collection of quotations related to: -- in general this is false. The quotes rarely relate to the person, almost all are by the person. I suggest it be changed to collection of quotations by:. Rjensen 03:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please add the following interwikis to the code

[[af:Template:Wikiquote]] [[ca:Template:Viquidites]] [[cs:Template:Wikiquote]] [[da:Template:Wikiquote]] [[de:Template:Wikiquote]] [[eo:Template:Wikiquote]] [[es:Template:Wikiquote]] [[et:Template:Wikiquote]] [[fr:Template:Wikiquote]] [[gl:Template:Wikiquote]] [[hr:Template:Wikiquote]] [[hu:Sablon:Wikidézetek]] [[id:Template:Wikiquote]] [[is:Template:Wikiquote]] [[it:Template:Wikiquote]] [[la:Template:Wikiquote]] [[lb:Template:Wikiquote]] [[lt:Šablonas:Vikicitatos]] [[ms:Template:Wikiquote]] [[nds:Template:Wikiquote]] [[nl:Template:Wikiquote]] [[nn:Template:Wikiquote]] [[no:Template:Wikiquote]] [[pl:Template:Wikiquote]] [[pt:Template:Wikiquote]] [[ro:Template:Wikiquote]] [[simple:Template:Wikiquote]] [[sk:Template:Wikiquote]] [[sl:Predloga:Wikinavedek]] [[su:Template:Wikiquote]] [[sv:Template:Wikiquote]] [[tr::Şablon:Vikisöz]] [[tt:Template:Wikiquote]]


You can use the followin tool to find interwikis http://vs.aka-online.de/globalwpsearch/

--elwikipedista 18:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. —Mets501 (talk) 04:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template link

I found out on links that it should not be linked liked with other pages like http://en.wikiqiore.org/wiki/Special:Search/Basketball, it should be http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Basketball like every other websites and templates linking to other Wikimedia projects other than Wikiquote. Pumpie 18:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Placement relative to stub templates

I have noticed that if the wikiquote template is placed before stub templates with an image connected to them (such as UK-film-stub), it causes the image of the stub template to split from its text line. The solution seems to be to place the wikiquote template after such templates. Please, either correct the template itself so that it doesn't interfere with other templates' images, or check its placement in a page doesn't mess them up before saving. Hoverfish 13:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC) For an example of such a problem, please check the edit history of Clockwise (film), before I corrected it. Hoverfish 13:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] PNG versus SVG

By clicking (by mistake) on the Wikiquote logo, and being redirected to the logo page itself, there's a big box saying that the image should be obsoleted in favour of an SVG version, that is available with the same name. Shouldn't this template be changed to use that image then? Flameeyes 05:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. If there's a good reason not to please let me know. Petros471 09:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd say it's best to add {{click}} to the image. What do you think? --Steinninn 16:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

The SVG logo image is not appearing in the template. Maybe try bumping the size up or down 1 or 2 pixels? — WiseKwai 23:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it. Bumped the pixels down to 49 instead of 50. bibliomaniac15 15 years of trouble and general madness 23:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Linking to a non-english Wikiquote project

Is it ok, for example, to add a link from Brice de Nice to the French Wikiquote page. We could make a template like {{Wikiquote_fr}}. --Steinninn 16:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe something like Template:Wikisourcelang, but odd how it needs two requests instead of wording it to link to its final goal. Jidanni 05:31, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect fix

{{editprotected}} Can someone correct the redirect on the box to target wikiquote directly? Change it to Wikiquote:Wikiquote, like on the box below this article. Thanks, Lord Sesshomaru 18:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It should only be a problem on the Template page (i.e., Template:Wikiquote). Elsewhere, the template should function properly. Cheers. --MZMcBride 03:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Instructions

Add instructions on how to use this template. Jidanni 19:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Something wrong?

Is there something wrong with this template? Madhava 1947 (talk) 07:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong -- penubag  (talk) 01:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)