Template talk:WikiProject Terrorism

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[edit] Logo

I deleted the logo of the Red Army Faction because the symbol of one specific group should not be used to represent a huge topic like terrorism. It is misleading and does not add to a better understanding of the very extensive topic.Spylab (talk) 14:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ultimately, whether you use an image of Basque separatists in ski masks, planes flying into the WTC or Osama bin Laden - you're unfortunately going to have to use a logo that shows only a single event or person. I don't mind if you replace the logo with a better one, but don't simply delete it. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 16:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Show me the Wikipedia policy that states there must be a logo on a project template, even it that logo does not properly represent the topic. This template is about terrorism in general, not the Red Army Faction. Spylab (talk) 22:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Please stop deleting this, unless you are able to offer a more suitable image. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 23:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Please stop re-adding it, because it is not a suitable image to represent the wide topic.Spylab (talk) 15:18, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
    • It is an image of a historical terrorist group that is no longer active
    • It is an image of a group which is globally considered to have been 'terrorist', and to have not denied it themselves.
    • Thus it avoids any "freedom fighter" or religious connotation
    • It is a group that received more press attention than any terrorist group until the birth of al-Qaeda, so is highly recognisable
    • It is a group that largely defined the modern definition of terrorism
Unless you have specific reasons you feel the image is not suitable, and are able to add a better image, please refrain from removing it. Images on Wikiproject templates draw the reader's eye and interest to the group - so there's no reason to have a bare template when we have a suitable image. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 15:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
  • The image only represents one group, not the wide topic of terrorism. This template is about terrorism in general, not one specific group.Spylab (talk) 02:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
It represents the most clearly-defined, non-controversial terrorist group in modern history. We don't refuse to post pictures of General Electric appliances in the Stove or Washing machine article because "they only represent one manufacturer", we find the image that best covers the topic in general. In this case, I believe the RAF logo suffices, but leave it as-is for now and I'll try to get some discussion started. 02:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
  • RAF is "the most clearly-defined, non-controversial terrorist group in modern history"? That's clearly POV, and has no place in a template such as this. The RAF logo in no way "best covers the topic in general". It should be deleted until a suitable image is found that adequately represents the wide topic of terrorism.Spylab (talk) 01:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
    • If you know of a better image, suggest it. I'm certainly open to the idea of a better image. But my statement that the RAF represents "the most clearly-defined, non-controversial terrorist group in modern history" doesn't break any POV rules since the statement isn't on the article anywhere. Talk pages are immune from "POV", it's where we bandy around POVs and try to reach understandings. Please familiarise yourself. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 01:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Some part of "not 9/11" seems to have confused you, please seek community consensus before replacing images. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 16:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Yeah, the non-existence of the phrase "not 9/11" would confuse anyone. Where can we find this so-called phrase "not 9/11" in relation to the image on this template? It's certainly not on this talk page. Spylab (talk) 17:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Yup, just below you sweets, "avoid using an image of the current war on terror - so something from the 50s-80s would be ideal". Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 17:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It would be better if you expressed yourself more clearly. Also, that statement is just another example of your personal opinions, and isn't based on any consensus or Wikipedia guidelines.Spylab (talk) 21:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] best solution

just add a picture depictin "results" of terrorism (by any faction including govs), eg: destroyed builiding, LARGE scale bad events. greetings —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.35.239 (talk) 00:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you have such a picture? Again, we'd like to avoid using an image of the current war on terror - so something from the 50s-80s would be ideal. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 00:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)