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Contents 1 Where to add this template 2 Changes to this template 3 Categorisation 4 Updated template 5 Request to change template

[edit] Where to add this template

This template should be added to the Talk page of any Japan-related article. Please post here if you have any questions. --日本穣 06:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Minor clarification: if the article is already part of a descendant project (see WP:JA for a list), do not add this template to the page. --日本穣 21:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changes to this template

Please do not make major changes (removing code, changing formatting, etc.) without discussing it here first. This template affects hundreds (possibly thousands at some point) of pages. Thanks! --日本穣 21:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Oops, I may have just violated this directive. I allowed miniaturization & removed a carriage return... I'd prefer if the miniaturization was not reverted, as I've already started using it. Sorry! -- Visviva 02:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. What do you mean by "miniaturization"? ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categorisation

This template currently lists pages in Category:WikiProject Japan articles as well as the quality and importance sub-categories. Is this dual categorisation necessary? It has made the main category extremely large. Road Wizard 07:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Updated template

Per this request I've updated the template to auto-detect if the template has been applied to the talk page of a template or a category. I've also set it up to where only articles in the main space can receive assessment or importance ratings. I've fixed some issues when the small parameter is set. And finally, I moved all documentation to the subpage Template:WikiProject Japan/doc and then trancluded it to the template's page. As a note, I would suggest taking off the todo feature as it causes too many problems in the template. and doesn't seem to be working properly either. --Farix (Talk) 21:49, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

The todo was inconsistent in different browsers. I've fixed it so it looks the same in Mozilla and IE. --Squilibob 06:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Can we get the template set up so that if an article is marked "NA" for a rating, it's automatically marked "NA" for importance? I've created Category:NA-importance Japan-related articles to hold anything marked as such, just to be consistent with all the other cats. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 22:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

You mean by automatically categorizing it into Category:NA-importance Japan-related articles if the class is set to NA? That shouldn't be hard to do. Just ad the cat to the correct class switch --Farix (Talk) 03:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

A little bit more involved then I originally thought, but done. --Farix (Talk) 03:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

While I was at it, I set it up to where it will do the same thing if class is set to Dab. --Farix (Talk) 04:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you do the same for Category and Template? (if it's not already that way) ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 06:28, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I really don't think it is necessary. --Farix (Talk) 13:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request to change template

I feel that this template needs to be changed to be consistent with the {{Football}} template. For an example, please refer to this page. Notice that the Football template is being rated as Cat-Class on the quality scale and this article has been rated as NA-importance on the importance scale. The {{WikiProject Japan}} shows up no options with regards to this. Furthermore, it states that this is a category and is not rated on the assessment scale. Any comments about this would be greatly appreciated. If there is no one who opposes this, I may change this template to be more consistent with the Football template. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

So you're asking for NA importance to be added to the Japan template and the wording for Cat-class to be changed? --Squilibob 01:18, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

You can already assign NA-importance to pages in article space, but its needless clutter anywhere else. In fact, I'm tempted to not have the importance rating line display if the article is given an NA-importance rating. --Farix (Talk) 01:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, assessment and importance ratings only applies to pages in article space and don't apply to project pages, templates, or categories. That is why I coded it to where only pages in article space can be given given an assessment and/or importance rating while have it automatically detect when the template is added to the talk pages of templates and categories, much similar to how Template:WikiProject Anime and manga behaves. Neither Cat-Class nor Template-Class are assessments ratings on the quality scale nor should they be described as such, see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment. I also don't know why anyone would set importance on something outside of article space. --Farix (Talk) 01:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I would also go on to say that Template:Football is no where near as sophisticated as this template, so to use it as a model would be a very bad idea. You manually have to set the class variable to "Cat" or "Template", and that is just one of the PITAs I see with that template. --Farix (Talk) 01:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Besides, why on Earth would it matter if this template is consistent with the Football template? They have nothing to do with each other. I'm not trying to be rude, but if you go through the various WikiProject templates, they're all over the map as far as how they work. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

So, would it be a good idea for the {{Football}} template to be consistent with the {tl|WikiProject Japan}} template? We should have consisteny with regards to ALL templates. Or would it be a good idea for the {{WikiProject Japan}} template to be consistent with the {{Football}} template? Any comments about this would be welcomed. If editors prefer the {{Football}} template to be consistent with the {{WikiProject Japan}} template. I WILL change the Football template to be consistent with the Japanese template. I will also change the other templates to be consistent with the Japaneses one as well. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 03:44, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Al-right, if there are no objections, I will be changing this template to be similar with the {{Football}} template. For a further discussion with this issue, please view this page. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 08:48, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Consistency is a good thing but it should be achieved in civilized way, it means with consensus of WikiProject members. I know you are eager to change this template but give a discussion more time. - Darwinek 09:18, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, could you explain more clearly what you are wanting to do? I'm not fully understanding what you want to do here. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 10:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not necessary for all templates to look or behave exactly the same. If WPFootball prefers to have their banner to look and behave the way it does, it's not a problem with us. Nor should it be a problem with WPFootball for WPJapan's banner to look and behave the way it does. --Farix (Talk) 11:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Since Siva1979's campaign is affecting more then just Template:WikiProject Japan and Template:Football, perhaps it's best to take it to the Village Pump for a broader community comment? --Farix (Talk) 12:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I already started a centralized discussion at the Village Pump to obtain wider input. --Farix (Talk) 13:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I have added my comments here. Any thoughts about this would be welcomed. I hope that in the end, a common ground would be achieved here as well. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 17:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)