Template talk:WikiProjectBanners

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[edit] Purpose of this template

This template is designed to combine multiple wikiproject templates on an article's talk page into a single, default-hidden template.

[edit] Usage

A mockup is available at talk:Jogaila

[edit] Things to do

This template is still being prototyped. Things to do:

[edit] Why is there a diff

I have a last question: There's a Template:WikiProjectBannerShell out there, which one should be used? they're almost the same I think the shell is better though (filled my concerns above) --Andersmusician $ 04:15, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

also since {{skiptotoctalk}} exists, why should be have this wikiprojectbanners that hides everything huh? --Andersmusician $ 16:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware there is no consensus as to which one is better, so you are free to choose. {{WikiProjectBannerShell}} looks better for your purposes, because the WikiProject name is shown without having to click [show].
I find that {{skiptotoctalk}} is often a self-defeating template, because it adds to the clutter problem itself. Inviting people to click skip doesn't help attract notice for the WikiProjects. When I see it stacked on top of other banners that do not use the small option, I shrink/organize all the other banners, and then get rid of it because skipping becomes no longer necessary. –Pomte 17:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Correct there is no consensus, I brought it up at the VP and no consensus was reached:[1] Quadzilla99 21:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
This Template was created because originally only a few templates could be used with Template:WikiProjectBannerShell. As nowadays it is more efficient to simply convert tempaltes for the more advanced format, on can expect this template to eventually become obsolete. Circeus 01:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
It already is; the {{BannerShell}} adjunct template fixes the problem of "recalcitrant" banners that do not yet support the "nested" parameter used by {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Then is it not time to actively migrate to the new one? Having 2 just makes more work. For example, I'm programming my bot to support these tags; WPBS is already done, now I have more work to do when really my job should be done. --kingboyk (talk) 17:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] How many templates is multiple?

I think 3 or more. 2 direct on the page seems ok to me. However, I see people using these shells when there are only 2 WikiProjects tags on the page. Just wondered what others think. --kingboyk (talk) 17:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC) PS These templates are of course a kludge, with a better solution being to reduce the number of WikiProject tags. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject reform and in particular this talk page thread and this one for some of the ideas currently being discussed.

[edit] Policy proposal

There is a proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines#Article_talk_page_banners for the guideline to include some aspects of banner placing and sequencing. All comments welcome. Johnbod (talk) 15:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slimmer

N Not done Please establish a consensus for this fairly noticeable change. Happy‑melon 14:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Can we remove the line break in the collapsed display? It makes the box larger than necessary. For instance:

! style="text-align: center;" |This article is within the scope of multiple [[Wikipedia:WikiProject|WikiProjects]].<br/><span style="font-size:85%;">Click [show] for further details</span>

would become:

! style="text-align: center;" |This article is within the scope of multiple [[Wikipedia:WikiProject|WikiProjects]]. Click [show] for further details.

This way the box would only take up one line of height. This would not only be a more efficient use of space but also make the box more pleasing to the eye, IMO. Thanks. Equazcion •✗/C • 13:45, 25 Mar 2008 (UTC)

Well I consent to the change =P Anyone else? Equazcion •✗/C • 14:19, 25 Mar 2008 (UTC)

Here's how it looks now:

And here's the proposed change:

Equazcion •✗/C • 14:23, 25 Mar 2008 (UTC)

{{editprotected}}

Since there doesn't seem to be much involvement on this talk page, can we make this edit and wait for someone to complain about it, ala BRD? Thanks. Equazcion •✗/C • 11:37, 12 Apr 2008 (UTC)
Well I declined the request last time partly because I didn't like the idea, so my opposition makes it 1-1 :D. I find the use of small text useful to differentiate the important from the less important. Also, the template will still wrap to two lines on narrow screens or browsers with larger text. Obviously if there is more support for the change I will make it regardless. Happy‑melon 14:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
We can still use small text without breaking to a new line. Would you mind keeping the editprotected template transcluded here, to attract more attention? Generally those aren't deactivated until the decision has been arrived at. Equazcion •✗/C • 14:21, 12 Apr 2008 (UTC)
On the contrary, the {{editprotected}} instructions specifically indicate that the banner should not even be placed until consensus has been arrived at. I'd know... I wrote them :D. {{editprotected}} is like the CSD templates - it should only be active for long enough to attract the attention of an admin through the appropriate maintenance category (CAT:EP or CAT:CSD, respectively), who can take immediate action: either performing the edit and disabling the template, or just disabling the template and indicating {{not done}}. Otherwise CAT:EP would get hopelessly clogged up with edit requests that are still 'under discussion'. However, I do agree that it's often difficult to find support for changes on out-of-the-way pages, so I suggest that you place a few notes on appropriate talk pages: I've left a comment here, for example. Happy‑melon 08:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hide/show

There is no way to fully expand this banner. There should be a 'show all' option. Richard001 (talk) 06:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

It's called {{WikiProjectBannerShell}} :D Happy‑melon 21:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)