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I think that the term 'wiki' used throughout the article ought to be debolded. The article lacks consistency in the bolding of the term 'wiki'. --Porqin 18:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

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Query about website address

This article explains how Wiki software is a simplification of HTML, and gives a diagram to show differences between these sources of software. Can some one please explain why it is, if Wikipedia uses wiki software as opposed to HTML, that the address for a wikipedia site begins with the initials for "hypertext protocol"? Also, should't this article have the section stating that Wikis follow true hypertext be removed, because, if wikis are written in wiki software and not hypertext mark-up language, the links in such media are "Wikilinks" and not "hyperlinks"? ACEO 19:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

HTTP is for the transfer of hypertext (naturally), the information transferred to your computer from the web server IS in HTML (check the source code by going Tools >> View Source (in IE). Wiki's are written in wiki markup language and saved to a database. Upon request the wiki markup language is parsed into HTML (changing [[Water]] to <a href="/wiki/Water">Water</a> and '''Text''' to <b>Text</b>). Wikis don't use use wiki software as opposed to HTML, wiki software just changes user inputted wiki markup into hypertext markup (and user inputted wikilinks to hypertext links). -- Tsuite T/C 12:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Tsuite is entirely correct. We should to put this information in the article. Is there some way we could adjust this article so people understand that "wikitext" is designed to be easy for humans to edit, and understand the seperation between editing the wikitext stored in the database, and viewing the final rendered page (various headers, footers, sidebars, CSS references, and the wikitext are copied into a temporary page, then that temporary page is translated to HTML and sent to the user's browser). The final rendered page is in HTML, but it wasn't written in HTML, it was written in wikitext.

Surely someone can come up with a better explanation. Perhaps an analogy to seeing a famous sculpture on TV -- what you are seeing is transmitted in radio waves, but the sculpture wasn't sculpted out of radio waves, it was sculpted out of hard rock. Perhaps an analogy to to the famous authors who developed their books on 3x5 cards -- while writing the book, it's easier to insert, delete, and rearrange sentences in the book by shuffling around those index cards, but the final "presentation" is the bound book. Perhaps an analogy with baking bread -- the final baked bread is the "presentation", but it's a lot easier to make the next loaf of bread if we keep some "source" yeast around. --68.0.120.35 16:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Linux wiki link

I've just removed a link to a Linux wiki pages index, because the whole thing was in (I think) Hungarian. Site url had TLD .hu by anonamys, 18 July 2006 @ 20.18 GMT

Capitalization

The capitalization of Wiki/wiki seems to be pretty random.
Or is there a pattern that I just haven't noticed yet? --Frescard

I think "wiki" should always be lowercase when referring to wiki in general (unless it's the first word of a sentence). --68.0.120.35 16:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Wiki markup section

In this section it's noted that:

"Many people switch between wiki engines, from one to another. Because of the difficulty in using several syntaxes, many people are putting considerable effort into defining a wiki markup standard (see efforts by Meatball and TikiWiki)."

Having followed the links, it is not clear at all that many people -- that's a WP:Weasel phrase -- are putting in effort. I don't think it is true. And it's not clear Meatball or TikiWiki are actually trying to make a standard -- TikiWiki is simply defining its own standard and Meatball has a short list of bullet points a couple of Meatballers have posted. That is not "putting in considerable effort". This whole section is weasely. Hence will be doing a harsh edit on this in a second. — Donama 05:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I remember a standardization thing a while back (there was a mailing list and such with various wiki authors and we discussed it a bit). It never took off, unfortunately. I'm guessing it is more due to lack of time in the parties involved then lack of effort. To be honest, this whole article looks like it was written five years ago... mayby I can update it a bit... RN 07:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

redirects to "wiki"

Wikify Redirect

This redirect is unhelpful. I want to know the syntax to mark an article that needs wikifying. Entering 'wikify' as a search word should take me to a something looking like {{wikify|September 2006}} instead of here. JMcC 16:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

wikify now redirects to a far more useful page. Does that look good to you?

What is wikisphere ? When I click on it, I get redirected to "wiki". I've been told that when a word redirects to an article (the way "wikisphere" redirects to "wiki"), standard procedure is to mention that word in the article. But this article never mentions "wikisphere". --68.0.120.35 16:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps "wikisphere" is a synonym for "wikidom" ?

It means the same thing for wikis as blogosphere does for blogs – Qxz 16:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk page Redirect

I don't see why Talk page redirects to this page rather than to the Help:Talk page as the top of this article already suggests anyways. Since there isn't any discussion regarding why Talk page redirects here (and Talk Page doesn't) I have fixed Talk page to redirect directly to the help topic.

Patent falsehoods promote philosophy

This article is fat with opinion, to the point of contradicting itself. The reason is that some of the article's authors seem intent on promoting an ideology.

"Most wikis are open to the general public without the need to register any user account." "There is arguably greater use of wikis behind firewalls than on the public Internet." "The open philosophy of most wikis..."

Most? Would that be the most that are open to the general public or the most that are "arguably" behind firewalls?

"It is therefore better to promote plain-text editing with a few simple conventions for structure and style." "It is somewhat beneficial that users cannot directly use all the capabilities of HTML, such as JavaScript and Cascading Style Sheets."

It is better to promote one form of editing for what purpose? It is beneficial to whom? MudBath 07:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

The meaning of Wiki Wiki

Maj: that wiki wiki thing is wrong Maj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki Maj: Wiki Wiki" is a reduplication of "waka waka"[citation needed], a Hawaiian-language word for fast. Maj: cant cite that Maj: its wrong Maj: http://wehewehe.org/gsdl2.5/cgi-bin/hdict?a=q&r=1&hs=1&e=q-0hdict--00-0-0--010---4----den--0-000lpm--1haw-Zz-1---Zz-1-home---00031-0000escapewin-00&q=fast&j=pm&hdid=0&hdds=0 Maj: awiwi is fast Maj: and no where in our biggest dictionary shows waka waka Maj: i mean wiki is also fast but Maj: nothing for waka waka


In my Hawaiian Dictionary (Pukui and Elbert UH Press 1986) "waka" means sharp or serrated. Wiki or wikiwiki does mean quick or swiftly. To do something quickly is "ho'owiki." Hawaiian words are often the same in the noun and adjectival form.

Waka waka is vandalism that slipped in at some point after the semi-protect. Wiki wiki couldn't be a reduplication ofwaka waka. Its definantly a reduplication of wiki. I've changed it. --Limetom 21:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
True. re ho'owiki - the ho'o is the standard 'ōlelo verb marker, so if one does not know a verb but the corresponding noun or adjective, simply putting "ho'o" in front of it is likely to be at least understood by the few people in the world who know mor 'ōlelo than English. Reduplication in Polynesian languages generally strengthens a word (wakawaka would be "more waka than just waka), but this is no necessarily correct in all cases (such as lomi, to massage, lomilomi, masseur, lomilomi nui - literally "massage-massage-great" -, a traditional somewhat tantric Hawaiian massage technique.
What I don't know is this: whether there is an etymological connection between wiki and "quick" or whether they are false cognates. I'd love to put it on that page, but I'm not 100% certain - "quick" is such a basic concept that wiki being a loanword itself seems somewhat absurd, but then Pukui/Elwert list some 6 additional words for "quick" which are unconnected to wiki, and exclamations to make a person speed up are among the first words that cross langage barriers ("andale!" and "dawai!" are usually inherently comprehensible from context alone for people who don't speak Spanish/Russian). Dysmorodrepanis 17:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

What is it is changed to Waka Waka? One would then have to change Wikipedia to Wakapedia. Perhaps, like the use of the word Google (to "Google" something"), Wiki has become part of the language, BASED on Waka. Any thoughts?

wiki was a scifi robot

The 1970s Saturday morning television science fiction series Jason of Star Command [1] featured a pocket-sized robot designated "W.1.K.1." and referred to a s "wiki" in dialogue. A screenshot image of the filming prop is here [2]. As far as I have been able to determine, there is no connection between this use of the term wiki and the usage discussed elsewhere in this entry. Should it be added as a second definition/description? Lonn.myronuk 17:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It should be added as a link to the W1K1 page, if that even exists. The real name isn't wiki, thats just a reference

Richdex ???

Today, Richdex the Open Free Online Directory is, by far, the world's largest wiki; the English-language Wikipedia is the second-largest

I have a very hard time buying this assertion. It looks to me like Richdex is a Google-ad filled wikipedia wannabe. Unless someone can demonstrate otherwise, I suspect that this is simply an empty boast to drive traffic to the ad content.

I especially have a hard time believing that the team of 132 users have been able to generate 3.9 million articles in the nine months since the domain name was registered. Now a computer program generating individual pages filled with google ads... That I can believe. But I don't think it should count a viable wiki to be listed here. --Pwiscombe 19:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Evaristus It is amazing to be part of this page making. I am here for now expressing my willingness to make useful contributions as time goes on. However this is my first time to write something here. It is worth letting fellow wikis that my professor directed us to make use of wikis and comment. December 7, 2006 NY ESC

Add "like this one" before "Wikipedia" in 1st paragraph

I hate it when an encyopedia or dictionary refers to itself and doesn't say "this one" or something. Course I can't edit it because I am guest and too lazy to create an account.—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

That would be a self-reference, which should not only be avoided, but sounds very, very, very unprofessional. We are not referring to ourselves, you must be confused with Wikipedia. -- Chris is me (u/c/t) 16:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Sorry that I had to semi-protect the Wiki article... it's kinda ironic, huh? -- Chris is me (u/c/t) 16:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just thinking that. It's ok, we forgive you.EvilOverlord88 18:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Wiki project hawaii?

I can't see why wiki should be under wiki project hawaii. I know wiki means quick in hawaiian but this article is about the type of website not the hawaiian word. Da Big Bozz 01:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Creating a wiki

I would like to request that a wiki be made. Does anyone know where/who I should ask about this? I don't think I can do it myself: firstly, I don't know how, and secondly, I have very little computer-related knowledge. I left 2 other posts like this: one on the main page talk page and one on the LOTR portal talk page. Sorry if this's a stupid/rude question. 72.72.65.127 02:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. My question has been answered on both those other pages. Thank you! 72.72.65.127 19:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Wiki history: the first few wiki

This article discusses the first wiki (as it should). I think this article should go on to mention something about the next few wiki. I have heard rumors that, when the second wiki (or was it the third wiki?) was set up, dozens of pages were moved (not copied) to it from the first wiki. There was some controversy between people who were glad to get rid of those pages, and other people who wanted to keep those pages on the original wiki.

Perhaps the "history" section should also compare it to other Internet forums active around that time. Usenet was the biggest internet forum at that time (and its Eternal September had just begun). h2g2, 2channel were started a few years after the first wiki.

Perhaps the "history" section could also compare it to other hypertext editing systems that were becoming popular around that time, such as HyperCard.

The names of the first few wiki were ... ? --68.0.120.35 15:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiIndex

WikiIndex http://www.wikiindex.org/Wiki_Index seems like the best resource for information about all the different wikis. Still needs more info and organization, but hopefully will become a central tool for us all.--69.87.200.20 15:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)