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Contents 1 An article on him should be made 2 name 3 more to this name 4 redirect, rewrite 5 Count of Holland ?

[edit] An article on him should be made

Wijard Gerlofs Donia deserves an article of his own. I shall ask some fellow Frisians for suggestions! -The Bold Guy- (talk) 16:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] name

Are you sure that this is the nephew's name. Pier had brothers Sybren and Abbe[1] as well as one sister Tyedt Gerlofs Donia. A middle name for a newphew would be Sybrens or Abbes rather than Gerlofs. Sybren had a son Wierd Sybrens Donia with a matching first name - could this be the correct person? What is the source of your article? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] more to this name

Some genealogy trees have Wijard or Wierd as the son of Sybren Gerlofs which would indicate if we follow convention for the time his name would be Wijard Sybrens or at a stretch Wijard Sybrens Gerlofs. I think the Donia would not have been used. However to throw a spanner in the works many authors including J.J.Kalma (1970) believe Wijard was not in fact a nephew of Pier. Contemporary Worp van Thabor describes him only as Wierd van Bolsward. The article should indicate this possibility. Of course none of this means there should not be an article on Grutte Wierd or Wierd van Bolsward, however maybe the title 'Wijerd Gerlofs Donia' should be not used. Ezza —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ezza61 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I changed the man's middle name, Ezza, does this new title suits you? Thanks for pointing this out for me; you really helped me with it! Rock on, comrade! -The Bold Guy- (talk) 15:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] redirect, rewrite

I redirected it here and rewrote the article, there were simply no good sources for the name "Wierd Sybrens Donia". According to Wopke Eekhoff's book Beknopte geschiedenis van Friesland the correct name is Wierd Jelckama, so here it is. Baldrick90 (talk) 20:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

You did a fine job there. Thanks a lot man! I couldn't have done this without your help! -The Bold Guy- (talk) 13:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Count of Holland ?

This article mentions a count of Holland sending warriors.

Around 1520 Holland was only nominally still a county. The title of count being held by the Dukes of Burgundy, in casu Holy Roman Emperor Charles V. Holland was ruled by stadtholders instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.27.16.7 (talk) 10:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)