Talk:Wiccan views of divinity

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Contents 1 Starting splitting process 2 Split is Expand? 3 Man and deity section 4 Point Of View and Morality 5 Removing Unsourced Commentary 6 Goddess traditionally seen as having three aspects?

[edit] Starting splitting process

I have copied this page from the relevant section of the main Wicca article, without deleting that section as yet. I will now set about the task of editing that section down drastically, so that it retains the sense contained here but is cut down to 25% or less of the word length. Kim dent brown 09:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split is Expand?

First of all, I assume (as for what's written in my books) everything said in this article is true. Secondly, I think this page ought to be enlarged in order to add information on Deity from a wiccan point of view. However, I didn't find anything knew, I perhaphs understand this is a recent new page. Well, I should be adding a section in this page named : Deity and Man. Feel free to add references since I can't tonight be checking my books, and as for wicca, everything is of self experience. Now, I will be writign what I know, so feel free to remove whatever isn't right. But I shall search for references later. FenixEden 02:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello FenixEden, many thanks for your contributions. It's always good to have collaborators in writing these articles! I did wonder if the sections you added have come in the right place: one of the new pages split off from the original Wicca article is on Wiccan morality, and it struck me that all the material on threefold return, the Rede etc is already covered there? Also as you say above, there are references needed for everything we write and 'personal experience' comes close to 'original research' which is frowned on in Wikipedia - so there may need to be some re-writing of your kind contribution. Kim Dent-Brown 07:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead HQ... I don't care, I tend to do original research, I know. But... It is hard to find sources of research on "wiccan views"since the whole article is about a point of view , it is also hard not to become partial. So whoever wants to edit this text, remove it all if you want. I guess that common sense is needed in this article. FenixEden 05:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Man and deity section

Somehow I missed this being inserted, which it was on 8 May [1]. If I'd seen it at the time I'd have reverted it immediately as unencyclopaedic, speculative and lacking sources. Would anyone object if we simpy removed all this and went back to the version which preceded it? Kim Dent-Brown ^{(Talk to me)} 06:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

As no-one has objected, I have removed this section. Kim Dent-Brown ^{(Talk to me)} 09:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Point Of View and Morality

NVOP is not really as difficult as the authors of this article seem to be making it. Indeed it is true that morality deals with beliefs. However we can define wiccan beliefs from a neutral stance. Someone wrote in this discussion page "the whole article is about a point of view". Yes, it is a description of a belief system. If we are to describe any religion we will describe their points of views within that religion. Therefore this article should mainly look at the common element that exhibits throughout most Wiccan Morality. And if differences are found, the moral issues dealing with differences can also be included. The problem is when we place our own perceptions as to what religious credences and belief systems are, rather than exploring the real beliefs of the religion, and/or without gaining verifiable sources. Another factor contributing to an article such as this would be that there are many different belief systems even within the context of Wiccan Morality. Therefore, as I said earlier, as editor, you must look into the most common elements of such a belief system and set aside your own presuppositions. In fact this is what NPOV really means to do, is to describe the topic with as accurate as possible information that is verifiable, not necessarily true (though I'd rather search for verifiable truth) without inferring your own expectations,judgements and personal beliefs and convictions. 69.245.172.44 17:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC) --- see this for information about beliefs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief

[edit] Removing Unsourced Commentary

I removed the following section. It was not sourced, hard to follow, un-encyclopedic in tone, and appeared to be original research at best.

Psychology of the relationship

In this active relationship, it is way impartial to say : You should act for good 
in order to be loved by the gods for they will and probably should be "marketing" 
happiness with you. In such a way, it is a power synergy that is the relationship. 
It is also impartial to say, whoever you choose as a god (and in most occidental 
countries, everybody's free to do so), you should expect to choose a happiness 
marketer, be it the Christian God, or the Wiccan Goddess. 
In such a perspective first, Wiccans are generally liberals to the faith of other 
religious folks, and second that : choosing a new god/ess results in a different 
life bound with a new paradigm or point of view.

It is clear that from the Wiccan movement, anybody can retract, but it is unclear 
actually if a wiccan, can truly forget the god/ess he claimed as his / her. And will 
"it" forget him? That is also unclear. Of course, we tend to think that forgetting the 
thoughtform makes the magic go away ; but as memory stays, we can not forget what 
was that magical life we had before, for those whose it was magical.

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 14:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Goddess traditionally seen as having three aspects?

It is asserted in a couple of places in the article that the Wiccan Goddess is traditionally seen as a triple goddess with the three aspects of Maiden, Mother and Crone. I'm wondering whether anyone has evidence to support that, or is it just an assumption based on modern (post-Gardner) literature? Cheers, Fuzzypeg★ 22:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)