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[edit] Clear Up

I've done some clearing up on this page. One entire paragraph was copied twice here word-for-word, just a few lines further down the page! A lot of the information (such as letters pages in the comic books) are better suited to the article for the actual comic, rather than in a character biography, but if you have anything to say, I'm open to discussion - Just trying to help. = Avengers fan 18:39, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Only proper nouns get capitalised in English...

I only put capitals there because I was assuming that is what we are calling his powers. If we're calling his powers that, it makes them names, and the capitals after each comma just made it look neater...

[edit] I Don't Get It

Ok, I don't get the "obvious puns" on the names Asgardian & Hulkling. I haven't read the comics, and I don't know what Asgardian looks like. Please fill me in. Thanks!
The pun isn't about their codenames together, it's about their relationship. Asgardian = Ass Guardian. --60.226.54.29 20:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Also, As-Gay-dian.

[edit] Mother and Sons Reunion

It seems clear to me that the Super Skrull is right and that Tommy and Billy are the children of Wanda and the Vision. I fervently hope that Scarlet Witch gets to meet her children and be healed of the cruel affliction to her soul. The horrible story of Wanda and her children has haunted and tormented me for decades. It is so wonderful that there may at last be a happy ending to this unhappy story. Das Baz, 28 April 2006, 3:41 PM. Allan Heinberg, in the letters page of YA 10, promises that in issue 11 Tommy and Billy will learn "the truth" about their origin. So what Kl'rt reveals in issue 11 is without doubt the truth. Das Baz, 13 May 2006, 12:16 Noon.

Weren't her twins originally just pseudo-illusions/constructs she made with her "Probability Control" powers (how else could a human and an android/ Synthezoid have kids?), and were later revealed to be shards of Mephisto's shattered/scattered soul? I.e., they were never really real in the first place? Dr Archeville 17:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
That was a retcon from Byrne. This is another retcon, unretconning Byrne's retcon. :p --DrBat 13:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Uggg. I'd forgotten we have Byrne to "thank" for that retcon. CovenantD 14:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, even if Billy and Tommy were once unreal illusions, now they are real enough in their universe. Now they have the powers of Wanda and of her brother - powers apparently transmitted through the spirit rather than through DNA. Imagination may become reality. It happens all the time. Das Baz 16:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC) Tommy and Billy, as Magneto's grandchildren on their mother's side, were Jewish in their former incarnation. And now they are Jewish again. Cosmic karma. Das Baz 16:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

If the official Marvel website says Wanda is the mother of Billy and Tommy, that should settle that discussion. But perhaps "spiritually" would be a more apt word than "biologically." Das Baz 20:41, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mutant?

Has Wiccan been stated to be a mutant in any comic book? If not, then several of the categories listed are speculation and need to be removed. CovenantD 20:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

He thinks he is (but so did Hulkling before he discovered his true parentage).
If he's the son of the Scarlet Witch, which is what is being implied right now, he probably is. --DrBat 19:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Princes of the House of Magnus

A new complication is introuced by the strange interlude of the House of M. Wanda is seen enjoying quality time with her toddler twin sons. Are these Billy and Tommy rejuvenated? Or are they a new pair of twins created by her? If the latter, Does this mean each twin has a twin of sorts? Will they ever meet each other? Erudil 16:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC) Or maybe Billy and Tommy are the Princes of the House of M, and they exist as they do nowadays precisely because of those events. Erudil 17:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it.
The twins probably stopped existing after HoM, and I doubt they were connected to Billy and Tommy because if Wanda knew about their existence she wouldn't have gone crazy trying to recreate them. --DrBat 00:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe Wanda does not understand the nature of what she does. She probably believed the twins were real and had always been the way they were since they were born, not realizing that she had probably plucked them out of Limbo. Or maybe she rejuvenated them without realizing she was doing so - and after the House of M, they reverted to their real ages. She may be near-omnipotent, but she certainly is not omniscient. Erudil 18:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civil War POV

I didn't tag this section, but I have nonetheless tried to weed out the offending adjectives. Also, I cut out parts of the Civil War storyline that I feel don't have much to do with Wiccan personally. This section read a bit too much like a plot synopsis of the whole story. Also, I removed speculation about future events and big showdowns and such. Hopefully, this helped improve this section. Cheers. --GentlemanGhost 21:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference?

I noticed that Wiccan and Hulkling's real names can be abbreviated further to 'Bill and Ted.' Think it could be deliberate? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_and_ted In the uncensored movie there's a point where Bill and Ted hug each other in relief after realizing neither of them are dead, but then back away quickly and call each other gay. It'd be a real sneaky way of poking fun at those characters, if the reference was intended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.210.123.98 (talk • contribs) 04:50, 31 May 2007

[edit] Last Avengers Story

Young Avengers #1 was not the first time Billy (and Tommy) played a key part in a Marvel story - they both were pretty major characters in the alternative universe story "The Last Avengers Story" which came out back in 1995. I don't know if this is, in fact, his first appearance, but until further information is gathered, perhaps it is worth citing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.203.163.246 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 27 June 2007

[edit] A better image of Wiccan

I think the image of Wiccan in the cover of Young Avengers Presents #3 would be a better image of him for his article. However Speed is also on the cover so I was wondering what anyone else opinions of the idea are first.

Sorry for not responding to this sooner. I personally feel that it isn't. The positioning of the character looks awkward, he looks "lippy," and the side of his costume is mis-colored. I'd rather stick with the original or another.Luminum (talk) 01:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Asgardwicc.PNG

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name

We are not talking about someone like Hank Pym; Billy only used the name "Asgardian" for six issues before changing it. --DrBat (talk) 16:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

He still has more than one codename. Brian Boru is awesome (talk) 23:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Since this is not a noncontroversial move, put it up for discussion. --DrBat (talk) 23:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I discourage such a move, a codename for story purposes is not the same as change in name. Clark Kent went by Gangbuster and Nova for brief periods, but rightfully so he remains Superman. I discourage such a move. Wiccan is the most common name. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 20:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC).
He was first as superman. But wiccan was first as asgardian. Brian Boru is awesome (talk) 23:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
It would be best if such a move was discussed and, like 66.109.248.114 said, Wiccan is his common name, regardless if he uses multiple code names or not. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I feel that as it was his original codename, and was used to introduce his character as a template of Thor, it should be noted as another alias. Readers who pick up the first YA issues would be confused otherwise until they reach the end of the story arc. Likewise, his character sports the original Asguardian Thor-themed costume for the entire first season. So while Wiccan should remain the main title of the article, Asguardian should be noted as a "notable alias" since it is used (and appropriately so) for the entire first season of the character's involvement.Luminum (talk) 01:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree with that. Could you reference it in the article or is it already said? Consensus here is that "Wiccan (comics)" remains as the name of the article. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Jeez just wait why dont'cha?Brian Boru is awesome (talk) 02:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Nope. It's been decided, see this. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:09, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Section on Heritage

I added the notable events of Wiccan and Speed's search for Wanda under fictional character biography. However, as it further explains the parentage issues (what with Billy and Tommy referring to Wanda nonchalantly as their mother given Speed's previous skepticism and Billy's general understanding of it being probable, but not fact) through Master Pandemonium, I wanted to ask what others thought of its appropriate placement. Should it be under FCB or "Parentage"?Luminum (talk) 01:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Powers Section

Are "light projection" and "illusion casting" really notable aspects of his powers? I don't think he's ever projected light that wasn't just a side part of his spell-casting or lightning. I think light projection means it's a power in and of itself like Dazzler, which I don't think he's ever done. Likewise, I think all his illusions have just been, more simply, examples of spells. Everything else, the lightning, teleporting, flight, reality manipulation, etc. have been notable parts of his use in fights. I'll remove them, but if anyone feels otherwise, please explain and we can decide to add them back or not.Luminum (talk) 01:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)