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[edit] Regarding the Selected Article
The selected article, for the Correllian Nativist Church, is currently in rather poor shape, with unverified claims, and reading more like an advertisement than an article. By what criteria was this judged an appropriate article to feature? We must have better articles than this, and if not, are we ready to start using this "Wicca Portal" at all?
I also note that the Correllian tradition is widely despised by the wider Wiccan community for their blatant commercialism and their perceived eclecticism. Making this seeming advertisement the "selected article" is bound to annoy more people than just me. Fuzzypeg☻ 03:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Work on the portal
Ive done quite a lot of expanding to the content on the portal, and id just like to say that if you see anything that you think is either not "good enough" for the portal or simply not informal enough, it would be good of you to say something, or help by improving the featured content. :) To my judgment, the only completely empty section is the selected article section, as there is no article i have yet to come across that is good enough to go there, but the article "Wheel of the Year" has come into consideration, and to my judgment, with a few more additions, will be suitable for selected article. Oh, and the colors of the portal must be done too!Brenton.eccles 10:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I left for a while
But I'm back. I'll now try and work on more Wicca articles and such, so this portal can be updated more. :) --Brenton.eccles 00:31, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Baphomet image
You should change the Baphomet image, just in case. Baphomets looks a lot like the conceived idea of the Christian Devil, so it might create a problem.
Blessed Be!
- Why should that be a problem? If that's the common image used to represent Baphomet, then why should anyone care (or better, why should we care) that it resembles something that another faith believes? -- Huntster T • @ • C 21:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Merry Meet you two! I agree with Huntster. Wicca is a religion completely seperate from Christianity, we don't even believe in the concept of "ultimate evil," and regardless of wether Baphoment may appear very "Satan" / "Devil"-like, we believe in neither of those, and thus, changing the image to calm "the Christian mind" is not in my opinion at all appropriate. Brenton.eccles 10:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
This image is an image of Baphomet, not of the Christian devil. The article makes no such claim as it being an image of the Christian devil. If the readers makes such a claim, and falsely believe it is an image of the devil, they do so of their own intention and erroneous judgements, since the article does state that the image is of Baphomet, which is according to the traditions discussed the "good god". However I do have a problem with utilizing the picture of Baphomet to represent the generalize veiwpoint of the "Horned God." There are many "Horned Gods", for instance, Pan is one of the more traditional ones in connection with Baphomet. Baphomet is merely one representation of the idea of the Horned God. However Baphomet is not strictly Wiccan, Satanists utilize the image of Baphomet as well. Check religioustolerance(dot)org for more information. -- 69.245.172.44 07:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- Well, if you can locate a free, non-fair-use image of an alternative image, feel free to upload it or point it out to us here to have it uploaded. I personally see no problem with the current image, but additional and different free images are always welcome. -- Huntster T • @ • C 13:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- I too would discourage the use of the Baphomet image as a general Horned God. Far too Christian devil and Satanistic to really give a generalized impression. I would recommend a good Cernunnos or Pan image instead. I had several people hit the Wiccan Portal page and ask me WTF?!!!! WilHatfield (talk) 22:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] New Article
I think that we need to add a new article in Wiccan Traditions catergory called Neo-Wicca. Does anybody have any good reasons why this article should not be created? If not I will create the article in a weeks time. 00:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not familiar with the term "Neo-Wicca", but from a quick google search it sounds like it's a synonym for "Eclectic Wicca". It's a nicer term, actually than Eclectic, since it doesn't have any of the negative connotations that "eclectic" historically had, and it is also cognisant of the fact that many trads object to the name "Wicca" being applied to non-trad practices. Have a look at the history of the Eclectic Wicca page before it was merged: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eclectic_Wicca&action=history
- I wasn't in favour of the Eclectic Wicca article being merged into Wicca, but others were; you might want to read the discussion surrounding this before you decide whether to create the article again, or create a Neo-Wicca article. Fuzzypeg☻ 03:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
While there is good reason to add 'neo' (new) to something like pagan, which has historically established legitimacy, Wicca is without any historical basis. That is not to say that the practices of Wicca did not exist, but they most certainly weren't called Wicca. Wicca is 'new' (neo) term in of itself. The counter argument to this would be that while pagan is a historically rooted term, it's practised application was as a generic term used to describe agriculturally-based spiritual traditions with no necessary common relationship. In the end, I raise this as a point of the use of language as opposed to what is right or wrong. We should be perhaps mindful to express as accurate and neutral a picture of our collective history as possible as a matter of appropriate recollection. User:Ashar26 06:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
- Wicca has been in existance since the 1950s, and possibly since the 1920s or even earlier. See History of Wicca. Exactly when the term Wica/Wicca came into being, and whether it originally referred to the members of the cult or the cult itself is hardly that important though. Wicca is a clearly defined concept that's been around for over 50 years, and the new and substantially different variety of Wicca, Eclectic Wicca, erodes most or all of this definition. For instance we have Christian Wiccans who don't consider themselves witches or perform magic, and meet in 'churches', in congregations with a minister officiating! This is a more extreme version of what some people call "Wicca", of course, and other forms of Eclectic Wicca are closer, in form at least, to initiatory Wicca... but Wicca has an inarguable historical basis going back at least 55, 60 years, and Eclectic Wicca is inarguably a new variation on (departure from) this tradition. 'Neo' seems entirely appropriate to me... Do you call Communism 'Neo-Communism' simply because it first appeared in the 19th century rather than in the dawn of time? Hmmm... Fuzzypeg☻ 21:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Events Article
I'd just like to throw the idea out there that perhaps an "events" article would be a good thing to have. As I'm not really a good one starting things on Wiki, perhaps someone else would like to start? Suggestions: The Salem Witch Trials, The Lancashire Witch Trials, etc. Polgarahanwi (talk) 05:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
