User talk:White Cat/Archive/2008/02

Contents 1 General discussion in ArbCom 2 AfD nomination of List of Starfleet ship classes 3 List of Indian women artists 4 Replaceable fair use Image:Kikuchi_Masami.jpg 5 Speedy deletion of Template:Ja-0 6 TfD nomination of Template:Ja-0 7 February 2008 8 Orphaned non-free media (Image:Oh My Goddess Logo.png) 9 Orphaned non-free media (Image:United Federation of Planets flag.png) 10 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Wargames View at NORAD.png 11 Speedy deletion of Template:List of computer viruses 12 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Afsouth-logo.gif 13 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Oh My Goddess Manga cover.jpg 14 Checkuser then? 15 List of Planetes episodes 16 List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes 17 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Proving Ground (ENT episode).jpg 18 CVU 19 Typical behaviour 20 Speedy deletion of Template:User wikipedia/Counter Vandalism Unit2 21 Speedy deletion of Template:Userpagebox 22 Template speedy deletions 23 RE:Kurdistan Workers Party 24 User talk:Kirill Lokshin/Archive 7#Episode and Character Rfar

[edit] General discussion in ArbCom

I realize you mean well, but the general discussion section exists for a reason, as it did in the previous case and every other ArbCom case. Please stop moving it. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 19:36, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

It belongs to the talk page. My GOD I cannot even move discussion to the talk page... You know, just forget it. I won't even try discussing this. I surrender to your revert-waring skills as I clearly can't compete. -- Cat ^chi? 19:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Always good to see the skills are recognized. Seriously, though, the General Discussion section belongs there. Perhaps what they're discussing belongs on the talk page, but in that case you should have just moved the discussion, not the whole section. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 21:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I suppose I have misjudged you. I am just so sick of revert wars. Why don't you do what you suggested? -- Cat ^chi? 22:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Very well. Seems a reasonable thing to do. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 00:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Yay! I owe you an apology. This episode thing has been way too intense :( -- Cat ^chi? 03:53, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of List of Starfleet ship classes

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[edit] List of Indian women artists

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[edit] Replaceable fair use Image:Kikuchi_Masami.jpg

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:Ja-0

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[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Ja-0

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[edit] February 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Naohiro19 revertvandal (talk) 17:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me? -- Cat ^chi? 17:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Oh My Goddess Logo.png)

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[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:United Federation of Planets flag.png)

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Wargames View at NORAD.png

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:List of computer viruses

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Afsouth-logo.gif

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Oh My Goddess Manga cover.jpg

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[edit] Checkuser then?

Surely there is enough for a checkuser for this then? - "#Real identity of Jack Merridew: Could it be Davenbelle/Moby Dick" - whya don't you put it up there? cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Arbitrators are capable of handling checkusers. As this is arbitration related on a complicated case, I don't want to spread the disruption in any way. -- Cat ^chi? 02:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, was wondering about that. Thought it could get lost on that huge page though...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

It wont get lost. I wont make the same mistake as I have done with Moby Dick. ;) -- Cat ^chi? 02:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Planetes episodes

List of Planetes episodes is under discussion at WP:FLRC.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 07:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes

You have made many edits at List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes which is under discussion at WP:FLRC.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 07:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Proving Ground (ENT episode).jpg

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[edit] CVU

Hey, I don't mean to bug you too much but what happened? I haven't logged in for a while and the link on my userpage to CVU is broken! Thanks! --MADISON (talk) 13:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Essjay had booted me off the group and started a CVN. Since then I avoided it. Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit is still out there. -- Cat ^chi? 14:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Typical behaviour

How much do you know me to make that assertion? Have we met? -- Cat ^chi? 23:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I've witnessed your behaviour in several places. User:Dorftrottel 23:37, February 19, 2008

Can you name some? After if it is "typical", it shouldn't be hard to give examples. I do not consider myself to be remotely abrasive so I would like to know what area to work on. -- Cat ^chi? 23:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe tomorrow. User:Dorftrottel 23:53, February 19, 2008

OTOH, wouldn't you agree that you have kind of a controversial history? Granted, some if it dates back to your Cool Cat days, but I see a similar attitude at play in the way you've been crusading against Jack Merridew for quite some time now. Or maybe it's my own POV. User:Dorftrottel 00:12, February 20, 2008

Umm... Feel free to double check on that. I feel the contrary is happening. I do not particularly feel like a controversial individual. If my analysis on Jack Merridew is correct, Davenbelle/Moby Dick/Diyarbakir would have been wiki-stalking (WP:HA) me continuously for the past three years. -- Cat ^chi? 00:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll follow the development of that. If half of it turns out to be true, I owe you an apology. User:Dorftrottel 00:30, February 20, 2008

[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:User wikipedia/Counter Vandalism Unit2

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:Userpagebox

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[edit] Template speedy deletions

You really don't need to notify me like that. If it needs to go, just speedy delete them :). -- Cat ^chi? 22:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Are you nominating every orphaned template for speedy deletion? If so why? -- Cat ^chi? 23:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Seemingly that would be "yes" and "that's a very good question", respectively. In the cause of "cleaning up old data" we're creating further "data" in the form of an equal number of talk-page discussion, and absorbing large amounts of people's time. Not much time per person, granted, but integrated over the whole wiki, a good chunk. Here, "speedy" is a complete misnomer; the not-very-lightweight process involved is really much more in the style of a highly speculative "prod", which really just serves to remove the requirement for any actual deletion rationale beyond "it's orphaned, so hey, maybe it might also be 'deprecated'". Alai (talk) 01:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm tagging templates that seem to no longer be of value to the project. There's no real need to keep old templates around; in fact, a lot of them seem to be test templates or templates from when users were new and unknowing. I'm (trying) to avoid templates that are substituted or are part of a larger series. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

What purpose does it serve to seek them out and get them deleted? Deleting them wastes more server resources and admin time. So I would recommend leaving them alone as they do get deleted (slowly) over time. Instead of tagging them one by one, how about compiling a list and let people process that. This would save you time as well. -- Cat ^chi? 03:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I have a list; as you can see from my contributions, I do letters of the alphabet at a time. Some of the templates I've been tagging are years old. And, I don't mind the work, and I usually end up deleting the templates myself when seven days has elapsed (no admin time wasted). Also, I try not to waste server resources as much as possible (one small step: not using an annoying image alongside my user notifications). --MZMcBride (talk) 04:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Unless there is a problem with the templates, 'deleting' them does cause problems. For example you generate an extra log that wastes server hard drive space. Of course the amount of waste is trivial at best. I really think you should leave the matter to its natural course. We have greater backlog on copyrighted images with possible legal implications. -- Cat ^chi? 13:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Oop, forgot one thing. The script I use automatically notifies the original creator of the template that is being tagged. I don't check who it is, and unfortunately, getting a list of pages that a user was the creator of isn't particularly easy to do. So, unfortunately, you may get a few more messages. I apologize for any inconvenience. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I would probably get hundreds of messages. If you take a look at my talk page, it has been dominated bu bot talk and that does become inconvenient over time. "You have got a message" pops up and it turns out to be a bot... -- Cat ^chi? 03:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Kurdistan Workers Party

Y Done for 1 week. See if that helps. If after the protection the vandalism resumes, feel free to re-request at WP:RFPP. Cheers! « Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs} 20:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:Kirill Lokshin/Archive 7#Episode and Character Rfar

Can you please take a look at this? At the very least confirm that you had seen it. :/ -- Cat ^chi? 12:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen it (though I would much prefer that you guys keep your arguments on the case pages). Kirill 13:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Arbcom /evidence page for episodes is a bit too long and editing it has been rather difficult. I am somewhat panicking because the voting on the arbitration case has started and I feel the late evidence I provided may be overlooked. The sections on the evidence I collected that I would like arbcom to take a closer look are:

• #Real identity of Jack Merridew: Could it be Davenbelle/Moby Dick
• #Continuing harassment from Ned Scott
• #Common editing behaviour of some users (Meatpuppetry)
• #Gaming the system such as the arbitration injuction

So far arbcom has addressed the sections (to a degree)

• #Bot-like (automated looking) edits by TTN
• #Not seeking consensus
• #Revert waring

I can understand why arbcom would perhaps disregard these sections in "/Proposed Decision"

• #Vandalism
• #Community ignored the issue
• #Intentions

Aside from these I feel the combative mentality (comradeship) exhibited by some of the users has not been addressed. This is more evident in sub pages of the arbitration case itself such as the talk page of the proposed decision. Any time something is said about one of them they all defend each other 'to the bitter end'.

I am very concerned because after the first arbitration case the disruption continued. I do not want to deal with 2 more months of disruption just like the past case. As it stands I feel the passed remedies will not be adequate in resolving the dispute. Despite the temporary injunction by arbcom, people have continued to mass remove material. Alas on 'video game' related articles and not 'television'.

-- Cat ^chi? 14:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)