User talk:White Cat/Archive/2006/04

[edit] #it-wikipedia-vandalism

Hi Cool Cat, today being April's Fool Day a few admins played a bit too much with blocks (blocking each other), so some trusted users (including a few admins) are now blacklisted. They include it:Utente:Civvi, it:Utente:Red devil 666, it:Utente:Clark Shuster and someone else (as soon as I figure out I'll let you know). Thanks a lot. --Cruccone 21:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Add it:Utente:Paginazero --M7it 21:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion

I noticed that you tagged the page Template:Parts of Kurdistan for speedy deletion with the reason "useless template". However, "useless template" is not currently one of our criteria for speedy deletion, so I have removed the speedy deletion tag. You can use WP:TFD if you still want the article to be deleted. Thanks! Stifle 22:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Rose.png

This media may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Rose.png. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, consider reading fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Image legality questions page. Thank you. Nv8200p talk 00:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Starfleet copyright

People are complaining about the copyrights of the images. It is becoming quite ridiclous. You may want to assist. -- Cat ^chi? 15:24, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll be quite uninvolved with Wikipedia until the end of April. I am in the middle of a military exercise. It is very sad. Paramount can not claim a copyright on three circles worn on a collar, I dont care what people may say. -Husnock 17:35, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

If you can find copyright info about paramount not holding copyrights that would satisfy all parties for certain. I hope to clear this up before your return.

Oh and btw DONT GET HURT during the excercise. Thats an order.

-- Cat ^chi? 08:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Star Fleet Images

Cool Cat - I saw your post on Ed Poor's page - IAAL - so I was thinking I could lend some expertise in this area - as I pointed out on the featured list page the issue is whether the images can be considered a derivative work or not. Can you get me started on where the images are - and what has been discussed so I can be up to speed on the issue. Thx in adv - Trödel 17:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The images that appear on Starfleet ranks and insignia are mostly in commons.wiki (images wikipedians drew), while others (images found on the web drawn by other Star Trek fans) are on en.wiki.

The discussion commenced at: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Starfleet ranks and insignia. Issue has been discussed inconclusively so far (you know what I mean).

The issue so far basicaly is me and others drawing images of decorations (rank insignias) appeared on the show and weather or not is this to be considered derivative work.

My argument is that if I am able to release photo I toke of Patrick Stewart (Jean-Luc Picard) in a starfleet uniform under a free license I should be able to release rank insignias the same way. You can buy the rank pins/pips and take the photo right? Also most rank insignias are very basic shapes such as 4 circles next to each other.

Anyway else I can help you get started?

-- Cat ^chi? 20:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Thx - I'll start there - I have 8 closings over the next 3 days but should have some time to research a little. Trödel 20:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFC Xebat (Diyako)

Regarding your RFC, that user has been blocked for 1 month because of blatant personal attacks [1],, perhaps the issue can be taken to the ArbCom for arbitration now. --ManiF 13:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Why am I not suprised. It is possible to file a case on arbcom against Diyako but he would be unblocked as soon as arbitration starts.

It might be in the best interest of Diyako as well as all of us to wait a month before we put this to arbitration. Let everything cool a bit perhaps.

-- Cat ^chi? 13:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boxes...

Hi Cool Cat - I'm looking to learn from for your table mastery again... I'm having trouble with userboxes on my userpage this time, making them all stick to the right. See here. I want the Wikiproject boxes and the text to fill in on the left - don't know why it isn't working. Suggestions or edits appreciated. (You can ignore the edit after the link I gave - I reverted the changes so it's not a complete mess). Cheers, Singkong2005 14:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I have tried to fix your page. Better?

I have one advice unrelated to your request: You may want to break your userpage into topic spesific sub pages.

-- Cat ^chi? 14:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again. Working on your suggestion.

I'm not sure why the right hand box has a large blank left border though. Its width is specified to be 240px, and the boxes inside it specify width: 242px; in their templates, but it won't go narrower.

Can I get your assistance with {{totd b}}? I want to make it more compact but can't make the text wrap around the image. Any suggestions/improvements welcome. (I'm also making a suggestions for change to the Tip of the day format on the talk page.) Thanks! --Singkong2005 04:37, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this better? -- Cat ^chi? 08:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

(Sorry for the delay - I've been trying to figure a few things out.)

Actually it still doesn't seem to want to wrap around the image. Still, if that can't be done, it still works quite well.

I just put the right column stuff into the {{Userboxtop}}/{{Userboxbottom}} thing, and that seems to work okay. My web page will never be as snazzy as yours, but it's definitely a lot easier to read now. Thanks

--Singkong2005 04:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Hi Cool Cat, I noticed the Architecture section of the Culture of Turkey article was copied from here. I think other parts of the article were copied from there as well. Is text from official Turkish government websites in the Public Domain? If not, it looks like these paragraphs will have to be re-written or deleted. I'm not sure who added the text, but I think I've seen similar copyvios in related articles. --Khoikhoi 01:46, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I am no expert in copyrights but I believe anyone can use anything on a Turkish Gov website as such pages are generaly considered "National Heritage" unless otherwise stated. I also do not believe there is a single case of Turkish Gov sueing anyone for using their stuff. Media for instance ocasionaly uses Turkish gov data while crediting Turkish gov (perhaps in a sense of reporting rather than satisfying some copyright requirement).

However, I am not certain if I can prove such a statement as I am no expert in copyrights.

I'll look for this though.

-- Cat ^chi? 09:13, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah, for this case it is explicitly stated at [2] that: All rights reserved. The copyright of this publication belongs to the Turkish News Agency. The texts and photographs cannot be quoted or used without permission.

Hence you are right it needs to be rewriten/deleted. I nominate you for the job. :)

-- Cat ^chi? 09:16, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm. :) I asked Saposcat if he could rewrite the copyvio paragraphs, I'm sure he knows a lot more about Turkey's culture than I do. Cheers, Khoikhoi 00:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another question

Hi, I noticed that you said here that you're not Turkish. Out of shere curiosity, what ethnicity are you? --Khoikhoi 07:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Turkish is a nationality not an ethnicity unlike Turkic.

I do not reveal any personal info on wikipedia or on the internet (a personal policy, nothing personal). So, I will have to decline in answering that. My userpage lists a number of nationalities I have so far been declared by others if you are still interested.

-- Cat ^chi? 07:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I understand.

Wait, what do you think of the Turkish people page then? It's about the Turkic citizens of Turkey. --Khoikhoi 07:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

There are serious pov issues on wikipedia involving Turkey on wikipedia. That one is a great example. Every citizen of Turkey is Turkish. Some Kurds/Turks for example find that insultive and modify the article in question so that it becomes like this. I intend to fix all such factual inacuracies.

-- Cat ^chi? 07:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, how do you suggest we fix it? We already have People of Turkey and Demographics of Turkey articles. --Khoikhoi 07:22, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

If you take a look at Batman, Turkey it is been declared "predominantly kurdish" with no basis. As in a census establishing ethnicity was never held. My attempts to fix this factual acuracy by stating a census wasnt held even though bbc "claims" the area to be "predominantly kurdish" was reverted on sight.

So I think any attempt to "fix" will result in a revert war. We need to first deal with this kind of infestation. Take a look at Category talk:Kurdistan

-- Cat ^chi? 07:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm..looks like a sticky situation. BTW, Diyako/Xebat was blocked for 1 month for personal attacks. --Khoikhoi 07:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I am aware. I actualy track every block on wikipedia via my bot which used to serve on #wikipedia-en-vandalism (currently the bot is offline on en).

Oh, infestation such as this happened before and had been dealt with in the past such as the infamous Greek/Macedonian conflict on wikipedia. Something similar will eventualy happen.

-- Cat ^chi? 07:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but I have a feeling that he may be evading it as Zanyar (talk · contribs). He's listed on WP:RFCU.

The infamous Greek/Macedonian conflict? Which one? --Khoikhoi 07:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

You might want to request a check on that on WP:ANB/I. I do note that he may be a meatpuppet rather than a sockpuppet as in he might be a diferent person with views similar to Diyako. It is also possible that Diyako might have called a friend to take over. but this is mere speculation... ^_^

There was a conflict on the naming of Republic of Macedonia. Note the article is still protected. The dispute isn't just limited to wikipedia as you can see.

This is one of the many examples of infestation on wikipedia.

-- Cat ^chi? 08:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

As I said, it's already at WP:RFCU, so I think that's fine. Yeah, perhaps - I'm pretty sure it's him however.

Actually, I'm the one who got Alex to protect that page. Notice that some Macedonian editor - Dipazi (talk · contribs) spammed the talk pages of a bunch of Turkish editors asking them to vote. --Khoikhoi 08:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Never the less... It is suprising the page was ever unlocked. Given that dispute. Great work you caughed a vote stacking in progress and managed to get attention. I wasnt so fortunate on the VfD of Turkish Kurdistan...

According to [3] I do feel he may be a sockpuppet... At least one other person shares your concern. But if he is using sockpuppets that really is a "positive" sign. That means his block will we extended at the very least.

there is a backlog on the check user page... Hmm...

-- Cat ^chi? 08:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee also suspects this. I have a feeling that if it's him, he may be using this account from a different location. --Khoikhoi 08:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Which may be the house accross or he might be using a proxy (open or closed). You can fake your location with little effort these days and as far as I care, diyako is determined enough for all of that. Also he might have a dinamic ip. -- Cat ^chi? 08:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Shhhh! Don't give him any ideas! ;) --Khoikhoi 08:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh I dealt with this kind of behaviour on a daliy basis. Sockpuppetary is very easy to catch. -- Cat ^chi? 08:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposals

I notice you have been involved recently with the development of a number of policy initiatives. While there is no procedural bar against this, please allow me to suggest that you may be more effective if you concentrate on one or two at a time. Do understand that I'm not implying in any way that you have run afoul of any guideline here; only that you may not be as effective as you would like. If there's any way I can help, please let me know. John Reid 13:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I do not mind if the stuff I proposed is supported/opposed/ignored. I am merely trying to come up with ideas that would make wikipedia a better and more troll-free enviorment. Don't ger me wrong I would like my proposals to be implimented, I just dont have the patience/time to polish and perfect them alone.

Generally stuff I sugguest is ignored until someting big happens. Semi-protect was my one of my ideas... It was implimented after the not so pleasant appearance of Wikipedia on CNN.

I however thank you for your advice. I am not declining it, but I am not certain how to proceed. I do not mind if you may want to assist with the proposals' polish etc.

-- Cat ^chi? 13:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for taking your response seriously, I was under the impresion you were trying to help policies I propose pass. Instead it appears you are campaigning against it, I do not think higly of accusations I recieve. Implying a hidden motive isn't any better. Please don't waiste my time with similar comments in the future. -- Cat ^chi? 14:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Infestation

I found this proposed policy, and I really like the way it's starting to shape up. I've made some spelling changes and whatnot, but no substance additions yet. I believe if this policy continues developing in an acceptable manner it could become accepted by the community. Any specific help you might want on it? -M^ask 15:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, for one we need spesific examples of what can be considered "infestation".

Greek/Macedonian conflict over the naiming of Republic of Macedonia may be a good example.

I prefer not to present conflicts (I am biased in conflicts I am involved with after all) I was a part of as examples but I do not mind you presenting them.

-- Cat ^chi? 16:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ah! Wish, One More Time!

Thank you for the fix. -- Cat ^chi? 19:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. I hope you find some time to expand the article. Regards, --Tone 19:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I was hoping you would join the quest... -- Cat ^chi? 19:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User page

The addition looks fabulous, just one wee request, because I can't work out how you did what you did, could you center the ribbons below the three images rather than have them to the left please? Cheers. -- Francs2000 20:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Your wish is my command. -- Cat ^chi? 20:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Email Usernames

I wish they would be. I think that a fair amount of the CHU requests are 'please change xxx@yyy.com to just xxx' — Ilyanep (Talk) 03:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stress

Sorry to hear things are the way they are, tinhgs were getting bad for me but are looking up. I hope you don't mind me asking why you were banned from IRC. I remember the days of computer3 and you in there; there was nothing like it. Hope things get better for you. --Pilot|guy 02:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure, probably because I booted pgkbot off of the chan in frustration... Apperantly that was one of Essjay's rules I violated, the rules he came up with on my channel without asking me. -- Cat ^chi? 11:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DefCon boxes

Hey Cool Cat. In reference to the DefCon boxes which you marked for speedy. Would you object to them instead being 'de-userfied' into template space? It seems like alot of people are using them currently. --CBDunkerson 14:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

The wikipedia comunity (made out of few determined users) have hammered me for creating the defcon template etc.. They forced/ordered me to move them to my userspace or else they would vandalise/maliciously edit the templates in question. So if you want to move them to templatespace, good luck.

I dont care what happens to it so long as it isnt in my userspace since I am not allowed to participate in rc patrol, I do not want anything implying I have anything to do with WP:CVU.

-- Cat ^chi? 18:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Counter Vandalism Unit.png

Can you delete every page on my userspace that displays this image? -- Cat ^chi? 19:00, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Just confirm, every page? ×Meegs 19:02, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

They are all files that have fragments of my vandalism detection bot. Since I can no longer run it the pages have no purpose.

I'd like to renote only files in my userspace.

Thank you. -- Cat ^chi? 19:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

All done. Image:Coolcat's CVU FAQ1.png is now an orphan, by the way. Take care. ×Meegs 22:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:PKK victims

I'd like to note, we do not like declaring organisations as 'terrorist' on wikipedia as per WP:NPOV as well as WP:Avoid.

The reason is actualy simple: "Who determines who is terrorist". Many will agree that the US is a terrorist entity. I for one dont feel that way about the US. But you do see my point. Hence it is never approporate to have that in the article. Hence why the category in question must go.

Any disagreements? -- Cat ^chi? 20:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat,

I totally agree with you, you must have mistaken what I meant in the edit summary, I was being sarcastic, because edits like these are obvious POV.

BTW, do you have any idea what this means?

--Khoikhoi 20:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Please evade sarcasm on edit summaries and try to minimise confusion.

Something about an RfA of yours... I am not really certain. -- Cat ^chi? 20:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I apologize, thanks. --Khoikhoi 20:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

BTW, would you please be able to explain the the same thing to User:Hattusili? Thanks. --Khoikhoi 20:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I am not certain what you are trying to say, its a userpage... what about it?

-- Cat ^chi? 20:30, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

You said to me "we do not like declaring organisations as 'terrorist' on wikipedia as per WP:NPOV as well as WP:Avoid." Could you please say the same thing to him? --Khoikhoi 20:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PKK

I was informed by Khoikhoi to inform you about a few wikipedia policies/rules regarding how 'terrorism' is to be treated.

Firstly we try to evade contraversial accusations whenever we can. For example declaring the United States or Turkey is out of the question. Same goes to organisations like Hamas, PKK, IRA, Hezbollah, Al-quadia...

It is ok to say that these organisations are recognised as terrorist by a number of countries, it just isn't ok to name-call them as terrosit.

Hope this helps.

-- Cat ^chi? 21:03, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but there are pages about IRA,ETA or 9/11 victims, and nobody opposes when we call IRA ETA or Al-Qaeda as terrorist organisations. What is the privilege of PKK? If the press of your country is independent you should have seen the events going in last few days!!! --Hattusili 06:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I for one view the IRA, Al-quida, hamas, ETA, PKK as terrorist. I also do not trust the media... that includes all media.

PKK has no special privilage. On the article why dont you write about the events going on last few days? If the events in question are terrorist, the reader will conclude to that end. Sep/11 for example is portrayed as just an attack even though it is perhaps one of the worst example of barbarism in modern human history. I view it as a terrorist attack and I would revert any edit talking about sep/11th as a terrorist attack. On that article it is ok to talk about people intentionaly flying planes into buildings, it is not ok to talk about people commiting terrorist acts.

I am trying to get rid of pov categories such as Category:Kurdistan etc. as well as Category:PKK victims.

-- Cat ^chi? 08:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me in this subject, I will consider your critisism in my future articles. I don't want to be offensive; the only thing I want to do is create neutral articles about Turkey. You are right, the reader must decide if an act is a terrorist attack or not. thanks--Hattusili 08:53, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

If you got any questions, I'd be more than welcome to help in any way I can. I am not criticising you, I am merely pointing out a few wikipedia policies. -- Cat ^chi? 09:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, now the user is spamming the talk pages of every user in Category:User tr about it. This is ridiculous. --Khoikhoi 07:06, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm only informing the people related with this subject. And also why don't we use Wikipedia:Categories for deletion section to provide a consensus?? --Hattusili 02:11, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

What you're telling them is a different story. Categories for deletion is only necessary for things that don't meet speedy deletion standards. --Khoikhoi 07:12, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] .

Long time, no speak --Adam1213 Talk + 00:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey there, glad you are along. How can I help? -- Cat ^chi? 08:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links on Kurdistan Workers Party tagged for speedy deletion

[edit] General political support for a Kurdistan-based agenda in Turkey's (as well as the primarily concerned regions)

Hello Cool Cat! First, I would like to express my appreciation of your cool, balanced and constructive interventions on a number of subjects, as I could notice to this day.

My objective in drawing up a table of election results covering (more or less) the last decade was to shake the (occasional) misconception that there might be a population inhabiting the concerned region gathered behind the idea of politically promoting their specifities and pursuing an agenda based on a term separate from the rest of the country. There are many cases of ethnicities (or specific population masses in a given region) constituting "blocks" of varying political strength (Quebec, Flanders, Northern Italy, Kosovo). The table I prepared does not suggest the evident existence of such a block in the 20 Turkish provinces concerned, although one political party is certainly notable in some of these. There is not just "one" ethnically-based specificity in the region, and by and large the region's political trends are in line and evolving within the same structure as the rest of the country. I am keeping it as a counterweight to the map present in many K-related articles (and strangely indicating the airports in a wider geography???) in case the issue gains prominence. I do believe that inhabitants/governments can be influent on the naming of geographies. As a final remark, the map on the German wikipedia is somehow different, with the outlet to sea theory having been realized and tainted with more furious colors. As if someone had hummed the tune, "Mapmaker mapmaker, make me a map! Make me a perfect map!". Sometimes one image can shape the entire chain of perceptions in a subject matter. Regards. --Cretanforever 19:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Here we go again...

User:CltFn just moved Ottoman Armenian casualties to Ottoman Armenian victims. Based on other encounters with this user, I don't think he is going to listen to me. Please help. --—Khoikhoi 04:18, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Now he's editing the Armenian Genocide page. --—Khoikhoi 05:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I refuse to touch Armenian Genocide (article is practicaly owned) but I have moved Ottoman Armenian casualties page back to its proper title. -- Cat ^chi? 15:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. —Khoikhoi 18:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

BTW, the definition at the Turkish people article has changed a bit since last time I showed it to you. —Khoikhoi 19:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks much better. There is ofcourse room for progress... -- Cat ^chi? 21:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Easter

Everyone else seems to have stolen all the good Easter pictures and stuff, but I wish you a Happy Easter all the same. — FireFox • T [15:51, 16 April 2006]

Domo Arigato, happy easter to you too. -- Cat ^chi? 19:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aa! Megamisama TV (Season 2)

Ummm... not quite sure where to really put this, and I thank you for enjoying my synopsis of the first episode. And if you don't mind me helping, I'd love to help out with the series. (I'm not really good with Wiki yet, so there's still much for me to learn.) But thank you again, and I'll be around to help out as much as I can. ^.^ (Xiaoyung 13:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC))

Season 1 also needs some work so you can jump on that

I'd be glad to help you in any way I can.

-- Cat ^chi? 18:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I'll poke around a little bit when I have a little more time. At the moment, I have a ton of work until the end of the semester for school. So I'll probably go back through some of the others when I'm done with the semester about Mid-May or so, it that's okay with you. -- Xiaoyung 17:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

That's ok. The anime will be there in mid may. :) -- Cat ^chi? 06:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fixing My Userpage

Thanks for fixing the puppet master box on my userpage! I was looking around for a gender specific version of the box (as it seems quite unnecessary to be gender neutral when the gender of the user is clearly known), and I never even thought to try a second paramater! I guess should have actually looked at the wikicode for the template. But, again, thank you for fixing it... I need all the help I can get :->. AmiDaniel (Talk) 07:14, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh I added the wiki code for the extra parameter. :) -- Cat ^chi? 07:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inquiry

Hey there, I was wondering if you were busy for the future few days.

I am having pov issues on several articles which a person with your talents would be able to deal with ease. -- Cat ^chi? 13:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner: what did you want me to do? -- Francs2000 09:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I have been trying to get attention on the articles related to Kurds and Kurdistan for quite some time now (with lttle/no success). I was wondering if you could assist me in dealing with a few pov issues on the related articles such as Category:Kurdistan and/or Turkish Kurdistan as well as Batman Province and city.

I do not know how much you know on the topic, but I think you can be a reasonable outside view even if you know nothing.

-- Cat ^chi? 09:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't really know what use I can be but I'll have a look when I have a moment. Which sections on the talk pages in particular would you like me to take a look at? -- Francs2000 22:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Although please hang on till tomorrow: I've had enough death threats and pillocks for one night already... -- Francs2000 23:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I am in no hurry. Take your time.

Whevever you have the time, take a look at Category Talk:Kurdistan#Response

Death threats are generaly the sign of fine work. I used to have a death threat counter on my userpage at a point though no one thretened me so far... I kinda feel useless at times because of that ;)

-- Cat ^chi? 07:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism Detection Bot

Hey. Sorry about what's going on with the channel and all. I'm just wondering why you would need to replace '#wikipedia-en-vandalism' by hand? Is there not a find and replace function in whatever you use to code your bot? — Ilyanep (Talk) 01:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The code does not contain the channel name of channels in its code anymore. It generates #wikipedia-en-vandalism from wikimedia channel #en.wikipedia. If the channel was meta.wikimedia the freenode channel would be #wikimedia-meta-vandalism. This is a standard with version 2.0 of my bot.

• The reason for this is to increase efficency of the bot so it doesnt lag.

It is technicaly posible to introduce an if/else structure and give en.wikipedia an exception. This would probably take me weeks since I'd have to practicaly double the amount of code the bot has. This would also decrease bots efficency by 50% as there would be twice the amount of code now.

Another problem is that many files (with fragmets of code such as language files) and hashtables expect the channel name of the channel to be in the standard #wikipedia-xx-vandalism format.

Yet another problem is my moving of 12+ channels... I am not keen on moving an armada of channels.

There are perhaps other problems I haven't even thought about.

#wikipedia-en-vandalism is a redirect channel and hence isn't used. All it takes is half a minute of work (asigning it a new password etc) to turn the channel something useful. The bot was working on the channel for months.

-- Cat ^chi? 06:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh...well that's unfortunate :( Hope you can get your bot working soon. — Ilyanep (Talk) 19:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I can the second Essjay decides to cooperate, unless that happens the bot wont function. I will not spend months recoding the bot just to satisfy Essjay's ego. And from my standing that is the only problem... -- Cat ^chi? 07:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UK Chat

Hi, you said some really nasty things to UK Chat and now he's really upset. I suggest you apologise at once.--Judge Rahman 08:24, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Judge Rahman (talk · contribs) is quite a new user who claims he isnt a sockpuppet on his/her/its userpage. I for one am sceptical... Should I ask for a sock puppet check? -- Cat ^chi? 08:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

That's up to you tbh, though I have left a message for the above user stating that I stand by my remarks and the reason why. -- Francs2000 11:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

They were warned that if their behaviour continued they would be blocked from editing, and I would have made it a permanent block. They ceased editing from that point. I am intrigued however how UK Chat could contact Judge Rahman, seeing as the latter does not have email enabled in their preferences. If not sockpuppetry, I at least suspect meatpuppetry at work... -- Francs2000 11:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Ture, but from where I am standing they are only here to troll and not about creating an encyclopedia... They/He/She arent/isnt really worth the effort. :) -- Cat ^chi? 16:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The September 11, 2001 attacks

Hi this is from the September 11 page "The September 11, 2001 attacks (9/11 or September 11th) were a series of terrorist attacks on the morning of September 11th in the United States, which consequently resulted in the death of nearly 3,000 people." Can you please warn the users editing this page about wikipedia policies/rules regarding how 'terrorism' is to be treated. thanks --Hattusili 17:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I have fixed it on the article and mentioned my modification on the articles talk page. It should be taken care of now. I would warn the user adding "terrorist" but I am not certain who that is. -- Cat ^chi? 18:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prohibited from mediating as per ArbCom hearing.

wikipedia-en-vandalism:

I am prohibited from mediating as per ArbCom hearing.

Could you provide a reference to that ruling? I'm almost sure that ArbCom doesn't regulate informal mediation this way. Informal mediation already happens when you help two editors in a dispute to resolve their dispute. --Fasten 11:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek.

As per that I cannot mediate even though I feel I am more than qualified to do so as all my failed attempts were a complete failiure beacuse of interference from Davenbelle and Stereotek.

-- Cat ^chi? 14:37, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your claim that your bot cannot use a different channel

This claim is not very convincing. Did you write the bot in assembly language that relies on the channel name as a code fragment or what could be the reason? --Fasten 13:17, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

The bot uses the channel name on irc.wikimedia.org to preform several functions.

• If the channel name on wikimedia server is lets say #es.wikipedia or #es.wikinews, the bot would speak in spanish.
• The bot will post events to #wikipedia-es-vandalism (for #es.wikipedia) and #wikinews-es-vandalism (for #es.wikinews).
• All logs would be saved to a large number of files (several thousand for en) under varius filenames generated by using the channel name. The bots files for en.wikpedia en.wikinews are generated using the channels name.
• Access list of several hundered people will also have to be 'moved'.
• The entier process would take me weeks to months of extra work as the move will generate bugs as well as other things. I do not want to spend time for that which I can be using doing other things such as improving the bot, adding features, editing wikipedia... you know...

In order the bot to work in any other channel I would have to restructure the bots code for all channels the bot operates for (thats over 14 channels). I would also have to rename practicaly every file and folder. Alternatively I could include a special if case for en which would decrease efficency by 50% since there will be twice as many checks.

The problem I am facing with this issue is a product of bots efficency. The code can work on all wikis because of this feature.

-- Cat ^chi? 14:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] non-english Redirect delete

Last time I checked, non-english was not a speedy deletion criteria for redirects while it is for articles even then they are not speedied but put for deletion. I hope you will correct your error at once. -- Cat ^chi? 21:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat! I didn't delete for not being in English (although the user who nominated did so for that reason, using fairly unpleasant language). I deleted for CSD-R3, implausible typo. It struck me as an odd situation: non-English language redirects that had no history and nothing linked to them, with no details as to why on the talk pages. After all, it's not something we commonly - or at all - do with redirects.

But if there was a point, I'll happily undelete but the reasoning needs to be added to the talk page (I'll add it myself if you like). But I'd really like to know what it is! :o) Cheers mate! ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 21:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to know who this individual is and what he said. He isn't anyone I am tracking so I did not notice the articles speedy tagging. As I created the redirect today I more than suspect stalking. (I have very few friends on wikipedia and quite a number of enemies (mostly vandals such as User:MARMOT))

The redirect for ああっ女神さまっ それぞれの翼 is the official title of the series. The series is a japanese one and it is only logical for it to link to the respective article. It is an alternative speling of the series.

Situation is very simmilar to Allah. The article in question explains the muslim deity/god and the name is of arabic origin. The arabic script links to the page if I recall correctly.

Sorry for the confortious initial attitide. I am kinda under stress and loose my cool easily these days... Yes its one of those times...

-- Cat ^chi? 21:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, no worries! I'll get my undelete boots on now. I don't reckon this type of redirect would survive an RfD-type process, but about 100 similar redirects were all nominated by a single anon, at speed, earlier today. I did a couple (some of them were persuasively weird) as I was on CSD patrol at the time, then got bored and went for a cup of tea. When I got back they'd all gone, either speedied or despeedied, I didn't look. I was just grateful it wasn't my problem!

Sorry about your stress, BTW, and apologies if I added to it. Here, have a virtual cup of tea as a pointless and patronising gesture on my part. ;o) ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 22:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Done! Histories of ああっ女神さまっ それぞれの翼 merged back together, interestingly removing my existence from the article's history altogether. HTH! ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 22:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

So long as people keep their hailing frequencies open and phasers put aside, there is no reason for me to feel stressed. Thank you for your kind touch in processing this matter. Hopefully it was as pleasant for you as it was as pleasant for me. You have no idea how rare I get to work with people these days.

What you are telling me is a bit trobling. Is there a list of the speedies by this annon. It sounds most distressing even though a delete is a reversable process. I just want to make sure no valid redirect slips by and stay deleted.

-- Cat ^chi? 01:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Right - you're not going to like this! I've done some research and, by digging around in the logs I've found the complete list of non-English redirects deleted yesterday after being nominated by 58.87.150.207 (talk • contribs • count). The ones that survived are in that anon's contributions list. There's also something on the talk page, where an editor has asked the anon to stop nominating.

So, that complete list: it's a long one. I'll print it below to save you having to dig the info out for yourself. Three admins did the deleting (all in good faith, like me, I'm sure: these were odd redirects and were nominated for deletion by someone else, so it's not rogue admins on the prowl!). The bad news: there's currently a big kick on wheel-warring, with it not being unknown for permanent blocks to be handed out for undoing the actions of admins; so I'm not willing to undelete these, I'm afraid. Chickenshit. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 10:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the log. No I would not want you to end up overiding another admin, I know that kind of stuff can get quite nasty in no time. I'd not want you to get stressed. I will however talk to the admins deleting the pages. I know at least one of them to be a very reasonable person. Like I said, phasers vs hailing frequencies. I'll choose the latter. -- Cat ^chi? 13:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non english redirects - Mackensen

I have noticed/been notified that you have deleted quite a number of non-english redirect pages (a list is avalible on my talk page). I was wondering if you were willing to undelete them since it isn't in accordance with the speedy deletion criteria.

It is common practice to use redirects to link official names of the organisations, places, tv shows, games, etc to the article with the most comon english name.

-- Cat ^chi? 13:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I hope I'm the reasonable one ;). Yes, I'll start undeleting those. At the time, I was simply dealing what appeared to be a gigantic backlog in CAT:CSD. Mackensen (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I only know Doc glasgow, but you are more than reasonable. No harm done, and thank you for your efforts. I know while dealing with backlogs things may slip by. :) -- Cat ^chi? 16:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non english redirects - Ragib

I have noticed/been notified that you have deleted quite a number of non-english redirect pages (a list is avalible on my talk page). I was wondering if you were willing to undelete them since it isn't in accordance with the speedy deletion criteria.

It is common practice to use redirects to link official names of the organisations, places, tv shows, games, etc to the article with the most comon english name.

-- Cat ^chi? 13:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, just like Mackensen, I was cleaning a backlog in CSD. I'm not totally sure about the redirect-in-other-languages issue, i.e. whether it is speediable, so I left a clarification request in WP:ANB. I'd be happy to undelete the redirects once the policy regarding this is clarified. Thanks. --Ragib 20:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. :) -- Cat ^chi? 09:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] log

• Time, date, deleting admin, page deleted, (comment - usually automatically generated)

1. 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 姚重華 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Emperor Shun')
2. 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 파리의 연인 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Lovers In Paris')
3. 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 진양호 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Jinyang Lake')
4. 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 조선왕조 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Joseon Dynasty')
5. 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 조선 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Joseon Dynasty')
6. 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 이상은 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect Lee Tzsche')
7. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 위키백과 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Wikipedia')
8. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 옥수수차 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Oksusu cha')
9. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 여의도 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Yeouido')
10. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 신중현 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect Shin Jung-hyeon')
11. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 스트래스필드 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Strathfield, New South Wales')
12. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 수정과 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Sujeonggwa')
13. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 동서대학교 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Dongseo University')
14. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 白露 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Bailu')
15. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 白井竜 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Shirai Ryu')
16. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 実戦パチスロ必勝法! 北斗の拳 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Jissen PachiSlot Hisshou Hou! PachiSlot Hokuto no Ken')
17. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 黒田 清隆 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Kuroda Kiyotaka')
18. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 首都圏中央連絡自動車道 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Ken-O Expressway')
19. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 谷雨 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Guyu')
20. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 角宿二 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Zeta Virginis')
21. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 虞舜 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Emperor Shun')
22. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 破邪巨星Gダンガイオー (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect:Great Dangaioh')
23. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 破邪大星ダンガイオー (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect:Dangaioh')
24. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted マリみて (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Maria-sama ga Miteru')
25. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マンキー (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Mankey')
26. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マルマイン (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Electrode (Pokémon)')
27. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マリア様がみてる (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Maria-sama ga Miteru')
28. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マタドガス (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Weezing')
29. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マッピー (コンピューターゲーム) (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirectMappy')
30. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ポニータ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Ponyta')
31. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ポケットモンスター (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Pokémon')
32. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 김일성 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Kim Il-sung')
33. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ベロリンガ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Lickitung')
34. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 김일성장군의 노래 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect Kim Il-sung')
35. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ベトベトン (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Muk')
36. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 김형곤 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Kim Hyung-Gon')
37. 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted ワリオワールド (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Wario World Category:Redirects from Japanese words/names')
38. 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted ワンダと巨像 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Shadow of the Colossus')
39. 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted ワンリキー (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Machop')
40. 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 六翼天使(Seraphim) (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Seraphim (band)')
41. 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 南越 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Nanyue')
42. 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 古今图书集成 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Gujin tushu jicheng')
43. 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 台湾 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Taiwan')
44. 21:00, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ファイナルファンタジ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Final Fantasy')
45. 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 台灣啤酒 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Taiwan Beer')
46. 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ファイナルファンタジーIV (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECTFinal Fantasy IV')
47. 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ファイナルファンタジーVII アドベントチルドレン (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children')
48. 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted フシギダネ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Bulbasaur')
49. 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted フシギバナ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Venusaur')
50. 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted フリクリ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT FLCL')
51. 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted フーディン (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Alakazam')
52. 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted プクリン (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Wigglytuff')
53. 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted プチさな (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Sanae Shintani')
54. 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 팬텀 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Gengar')
55. 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 평양 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Pyongyang')
56. 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 한국어 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Korean language')
57. 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 한국 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Korea')
58. 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 한대수 (content was: '{db|not english}#redirect Hahn Dae-soo')
59. 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 화랑도 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Hwa Rang Do')
60. 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 황우석 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Hwang Woo-Suk')
61. 20:57, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 蘆笙 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Lusheng')
62. 20:57, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 蔣介石 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Chiang Kai-shek {R from alternate language}')
63. 20:57, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 葵の上 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Aoi no Ue')
64. 20:57, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 胸いっぱいのこの愛を　誰より君に (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect Jewelry (group)')
65. 20:57, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 社会民主党 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Social Democratic Party (Japan)')
66. 19:45, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted イノセンス (not english)
67. 19:45, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted イタリア村Italia Mura (not english)
68. 19:45, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted ゆらめき (not english)
69. 19:45, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted みずほ銀行 (not english)
70. 19:45, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted ぷちぷり＊ユーシィ (not english)
71. 19:45, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted ちば (not english)
72. 19:43, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted アーロン (not english)
73. 19:43, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted アーボック (not english)
74. 19:43, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted アルベドˑピアソラ (not english)
75. 19:43, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted アメリカ村 (not english)
76. 19:43, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted アドバンスドポリス (not english)

[edit] mIRC script for #wikipedia-de-vandalism

hi!

somehow the access rights got blown away; I can't execute bl add or bnu add due to lacking access... may you please be so kind and give "HardDisk_WP" normal access rights again?

thanks, de:User:HardDisk@84.56.17.242 19:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

ps: the bot should not escape wikilinks in [[]]s with () and other special chars because chatzilla double-escapes them when clicking.

Done. -- Cat ^chi? 19:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

thanks...by the way: would you assist me to port the script to PHP and move it to the m:Toolserver then?

greets,de:User:HardDisk@84.56.0.241 23:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish Kurdistan

The vote was peppered with votestacking and cannot be seen as concensus. -- Cat ^chi? 20:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah well, ok. There was votestacking from from the other side, however. (mostly the work of TuzsuzDeliBekir) —Khoikhoi 22:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Like I said... there is vote stacking... I am not trying to find blame. Hence the vote has no value. Syrian Kurdistan however is based on concensus. -- Cat ^chi? 22:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki-Cat

Hi. I placed myself up for constructive critisism on WP:ER. I'd appreciate it if you could comment there. As a senior member of the community, I think your words would be good for me. And my apologies for my removal for your rfa link, I hope you accept I was only attempting to help.-Zero^Talk 19:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

No harm done. The top of my talk page is a place where I keep my ongoing disputes. Sometimes those are red links for what I'm planning. I genealy hope to resolve the dispute w/o rfcs or rfars. That is one of the reasons why that link has stayed as a red link.

I do not believe there are any seniority among wikipedia comunity

-- Cat ^chi? 00:55, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe a certain understanding of wikipedia entells when one spends enough time on site. You and I have been wikipedians for over a year now. I think that means we should have some amount of seniority. -Zero^Talk 04:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kurd issue

Feel free to signal me whenever you are ready. :) -- Cat ^chi? 13:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot.  :-( -- Francs2000 13:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Thought so :) Well since I have your attention now I was wondering if you could take a look at Batman, Turkey and Batman Province. In my belief we stay away from demographics claims that are not based on actual census but rather estimates of lets say the BBC.

I also feel the disclaimer is disgusting on Batman, Turkey. See my version

Also I whelmingly oppose the presence of a Category:Kurdistan on this article.

-- Cat ^chi? 13:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I have written something over at Talk:Batman, Turkey about how the article should be phrased regarding the population of Kurds in the city. I'll have a look at the category later, but right now I have to get back to work (i.e. what I'm being paid to do!) -- Francs2000 14:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Money is good ;) -- Cat ^chi? 15:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fujiwara no Teika

Per the Peer Review, where you said you found the clan business confusing: I've reworked that section. Is the new version clearer? --maru (talk) contribs 01:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes. It explains why poetry was significant and what it had to do with clans. Looks much better. I think it can be a FA now. :) -- Cat ^chi? 10:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Batman, Turkey

I was being civil... I am curious what I said had offended you. -- Cat ^chi? 15:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Be careful of what you write - you may not have meant it to be sarcastic, but that's the way it came across. I'm going to be offline now because I have work to do so if I don't respond until tomorrow it's not because I'm ignoring you. -- Francs2000 15:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I... dont know what to say. OK. I am sorry for that. No sarcasm or offense was intended.

Regarding the info you provided. I have this [4]. It talks about Turkish goverments denial to accpet its Kurdish population. The site isnt neutral but the site claims the source is the US Gov.

I could not find this report but I have found this [5] which is the US embasy in stockholm

Thats all I got for now.

-- Cat ^chi? 15:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Here's something that's going to piss you off...

I always suspected that User:Retau was a sockpuppet of Diyako/Xebat, but now I'm almost certain. Check his latest contributions - he just created Category:Kurdish cities and added it to articles like Kahramanmaraş Province and Kirkuk. Besides, Xebat is currently blocked for 2 months (and will probably be banned for one year), so it makes sense why he would try to evade it. Just wanted to let you know. —Khoikhoi 04:20, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Shukran for that. I have placed him under survelance.

I also have placed two of the stub categories he created for speedy deletion as we already voted that they were inaprorate.

I also requested a sockpuppet check on him.

Enjoy the fireworks... :)

-- Cat ^chi? 10:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hehehe. :) Have you also noticed Category:Kurdish provinces? How POV can you get? —Khoikhoi 17:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kurdistan/Kurd stubs

I deleted the politician stub, but I think you should TfD this one: {{Kurdistan-bio-stub}}. - FrancisTyers 11:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Is that really necesary? Same arguments apply. And both were created by the same person whom is also a suspected sockpuppet (not just by me). -- Cat ^chi? 11:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

We have {{africa-bio-stub}}, which isn't a country. The TfD seemed to deal with just politicians. - FrancisTyers 11:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Well... You love burocracy, I'll give you that. Done. However I expect nothing less than vote stacking... -- Cat ^chi? 11:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Signature

Is it posible for you to have a talk page link? :) -- Cat ^chi? 11:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hah, tired of seeing my face? :)) Well, I considered it, but I don't really know how to do a personalised sig, and I'm not sure I really approve of the whole practice. Perhaps I could have a very reserved version? - FrancisTyers 11:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Your face is nice, but I'd prefer a pretty girl instead :P

I'll tutor you in the process, its actualy quite simple. Click preferances sellect the checkbox for "raw signatures". And replace the field (labeled "Nickname:") with something like:

[[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] [[User talk:FrancisTyers|Talk]]

It is the same wiki code, nothing special. Of course you can make it beultiful like my simple sig. :)

-- Cat ^chi? 12:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ongoing discussion

have you read my comment on your talk page. You archived w/o responding (I just dont want you to miss anything :) ) -- Cat ^chi? 10:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

It's in my to do file - I know where the comment is, I just can't do anything about it just at this moment in time. I like to archive my talk page when the number of messages reaches an orderly figure: call me obsessive-compulsive if you want to! -- Francs2000 12:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh I was just concerned about accidental archiving. Have you happen to take a look at my archive(s)? I am ten times worse than you ^_^. Oh I dont mind if you steal my format. -- Cat ^chi? 12:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] oki, it seems that people can talk how they want and accuse someone to be another

I am new here and don´t now exactly how to write and answer to some stupid comments.. these words are wrong choosen, for second I don´t understand why the admin even listen to this people on of their kind. as I have said before, I want to make it clear to everybody what is what and what is not User:Retau

In my view you are innocent till proven guilty so I will treat you like a newbie.

One thing you need to learn is civility. You dont declare comments by others as "stupid". See WP:NPA for this rule.

We have a set of rules and processes we use. You cannot just try to change that. You have recreated something wikipedia comunity decided was not approporate and I am refering to the stub type you have created which was deleted.

I do not understand what you mean by 'what is what and what is not'.

-- Cat ^chi? 19:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Muhamed

Hi, I notice that three arbitrators have considered your application and voted to reject, because Muhamed hasn't edited English Wikipedia for over a month. Would you mind if I closed this request without prejudice? If he ever returns to English Wikipedia and his behavior continues to present a problem, you will be able to re-open the request at any time. --Tony Sidaway 22:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Thats possible but I was really hoping for some sort of general ruling that discourages such behaviour.

I know it is common sense, so I do not believe it is too hard to make it a policy. But if you feel that isn't possible feel free to close it.

-- Cat ^chi? 22:59, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:Cool Cat/Legend...

I hope you don't mind but I did some slight modifications to the legend including making it so that it only included the top portion without the examples if transcluded into a page, and I also changed it slightly so that it has a header to that section only when transcluded but doesn't appear on the original version. Feel free to revert if you don't like them but I hope they help make it look better. Pegasus1138^{Talk | Contribs | Email} ---- 05:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I do mind. And all I have to say is thank you. :) Keep up the good work. and no I have no problem with it, and infact I actualy like it. :) Hence I refuse to revert -- Cat ^chi? 23:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please help

Hi. Can you please explain to this user why the additon of those categories are POV? I'd do it myself, but he hates me. —Khoikhoi 06:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, there's also a Category:Turkish terrorists. —Khoikhoi 23:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Already done. I also have placed the head category up for deletion and all its sub categories. -- Cat ^chi? 15:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)