User talk:Whispering/Archive one

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[edit] WikiProject Michigan

Welcome. Regarding your question on my talk page, there's no initiation ritual or anything -- like everything on Wikipedia, participation is voluntary. Right now there isn't any single effort going on with the project. If you want to suggest any ideas, that'd be great. Or you can add items to the Project ToDo page. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. Cheers, older≠wiser 12:37, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Word Association

I look forward to the challenge :) Thryduulf 21:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Great minds think alike :) Thryduulf 23:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

The simplest way to list something for cleanup is to add the {{cleanup}} template to the top of the page. {{cleanupdate|month year}} is preferred (e.g. {{cleanupdate|March 2006}}) but if you use the former someone else will change it in a few days. If you use these generic templates, it is best to explain on the talk page what sort of cleanup you think the article needs. There are more specific templates that you can use - for a complete list see Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup. Thryduulf 23:16, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ESP Game

I wasted many hours playing it a few months ago, but don't remember where I found it originally! Probably on someone's LiveJournal. Catamorphism 01:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Round tuit

I heard about them from a peer tutor during my first year in college. Then I was surprised that people outside my school knew about them. Catamorphism 03:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Word association

Oh...I was just curious about how people found out about it. It used to be an itty-bitty page, but now it's a really nice place to hang out and relax. Just curious, that's all :-) --HappyCamper 04:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

I'm not aware of any tutorial specifically for userboxes. If you just want to know how to use them then Wikipedia:Userboxes#Grouping userboxes appears to be where the instructions are. Other sections of that page also deal with how to create them. More generally there is a tutorial about using templates (which is what userboxes are) at Help:Template. Thryduulf 08:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar

Hey, thanks, you are right. I think I had originally planned on writing "once I am out of college" and decided to make it graduated, but didn't change the am. Thank you. :-) --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 15:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfC

Hi Whispering. Regarding [1], non admin type people are absolutely allowed to contribute to Wikipedia:Requests for comment. In fact, they're requested to ;) ×Meegs 21:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

They can even write their own "outside view". Hell, I'm not an admin and I agreed with a lot of the points. — Nathan (talk) 17:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About your overlap problem

Use CSS style="clear:both;". If you aren't sure how to do this, add your tag, and leave a note on my talk page and I'll get around to it. Armedblowfish (talk|contribs) 00:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Well I know CSS means cascading style sheet but that's about it. Whispering 18:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you much. Oh and I love your username. Whispering 20:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Strange, the old way worked fine on Mozilla Firefox. Anyways, since the new version of the the template (with CSS style="clear:both;") may mess up some Wikipedian's user pages by moving the template, I created a new one, so that Wikipedians may pick. Anyways, I suggest you check Wikipedia:Browser notes to see if your browser is listed as having this problem, and if not, report it. : ) Armedblowfish (talk|contribs) 20:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Collin McKinney

Thanks for the reminders. I added some stuff, and tomorrow I'll find more categories to add. But sleep calls. Quidam65 05:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: The Bid Alliance

Damn you I was about to speedy that. ;) Whispering 05:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Funny thing is, I'm on a dial up connection, and I still got to it first, better luck next time. MichaelBillington 05:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Baden-Powell deprod

Hi there. I've deprodded Peter Baden-Powell, as I think he's a reasonably noteworthy person, if only because of his father. However, please feel free to AfD the article if you disagree. Tevildo 11:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Jack Faber

It will be expanded....I am making stubs for all the Maryland Terrapins football coaches and then will be writing fuller bios....btw, as is, he already passes the Wikipedia notability test. WillC 15:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Silvia Day

Keep. Please remove her from the lists of speedy deletes. A genuine novelist. Cheers V. Joe

[edit] Reply to Deletion Policy Question

Hey Whispering, I have left you reply to your question at Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_policy#Help_anyone.3F--DennyCrane Talk 06:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military coup in Turkey, 1960

Is this o.k.? You are faster than I'm.--OttomanReference 03:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mary French (Attorney)

Hello, and thank you for working to keep Wikipedia neat and tidy! :)

I'd like to call your attention to the above-referenced article.

It was created at 2006-06-16 19:28:27.

You tagged it for speedy deletion at or about 2006-06-16 19:30:58.

Between the creation of this article, and your decision that it should go, the our auteur, namely me, had 151 seconds in which to -- add content, establish notability, cite references, wikify, NPOV-ify, spellcheck, polish, and generally ensure that nobody would happen along with the slightest excuse to delete it.

So, in closing, thanks for helping, but remember that we're all people too, trying to build an encyclopedia, so say the alphabet backwards a coupla times before opening fire next time, maybe?

Thanks! :)

— Adrian Lamo ·· 04:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WiMedia Alliance

Which link do you think is spam? The first is the WiMedia Alliance official site, the other two are ECMA-368 and ECMA-369 standard (cited in the article) from ECMA International. If I have convinced you, please remove spam tag. Armando82 14:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

I hearby award Whispering this The Working Man's Barnstar for his numerous tagging of speedy deletes. Thank you! --Fang Aili talk 19:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I hearby award Whispering this The Working Man's Barnstar for his numerous tagging of speedy deletes. Thank you! --Fang Aili talk 19:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] why

why are you deleting my pages without question?

SenorKristobbal 21:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy delete?

Why did you place a speedy delete on Seven World Trade Center tenants?

This list is not non-sense. It is a sourced list of the tenents in WTC7 prior to that building's collapse. It is part of a series of list-articles, including One World Trade Center tenants (article started September 14th 2001) and Two World Trade Center tenants (article started September 17th 2001). Seabhcán 22:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Champ (food)

If you wish to contest the speedy tag please use the hangon tag DO NOT remove the speedy tag

You nominated this article for speedy delete, citing that it was nonsense. Knowing for a fact that the champ dish is most definatelynot nonsense, I decided not to waste everyone's time with yet another useless debate on the matter.

In future, I would kindly suggest two things before doing something similar in the future:

  • 1) A short bit of research - if you can take the time to monitor newly created articles, you can take the time to Google the subject matter.
  • 2) Take a look at the creation time. I created this article at 20:30. Exactly 2 minutes later you had nominated it for speedy. Sometimes editors feel a need to create 'placeholder' articles in the process of organising something much bigger. I am responsible for creating the Northern Ireland portal, the Northern Irish Wikipedians' notice board and the Northern Irish articles Wikiproject. I mention this because I am (at the minute virtually single-handedly) responsible for organising and structuring articles relating to Northern Ireland. A quick investigation of my userpage, or my contribution list would have made that clear to you.

Your arbitrary decision to hand out a speedy nomination caused me time and effort that could have been put to better use, as an eager admin actually went ahead and deleted the article after you re-inserted your speedy tag. Now I'm also having to explain myself to three people where, instead, you should have explained yourself first: that's what article discussion pages are for, for example.

Now don't get me wrong - I despise the vandalism and gobbledegook that often gets added to the 'pedia, and I appreciate the efforts of editors and admins alike to kerb this. But if I can research things before I add deletion tabs etc, then so can everyone else. To be frank, I'm starting to get annoyed with over-vigilance also: it appears to create almost as much hassle as vandalism on occasion. --Mal 13:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Liberty Corners (Wisconsin)

Under the United States section of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (city names), cities can have commas in their titles, therefore, I have moved Liberty Corners (Wisconsin) back to Liberty Corners, Wisconsin. JJJJust 16:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Wussies (band) speedy deletion

Hello Whispering, the reason why I created this article was because it is mentioned in a news item on the Music Portal. So I'm not sure that it should be deleted. Madder 15:10, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello Whispering, I appreciate all the hard work you do in editing Wikipedia and removing articles, but I don't think you considered what I said above before deleting, since you haven't replied. I don't know anything about this band, all I know is that it's prominently featured on the Music Portal and so it deserved an article. I don't know why you are contesting this. Madder 19:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

If you don't know anything about the band why make the article? You could always do some research on the band then repost the article. BJK 20:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
  • BJK aka. Whispering, this is not the principle of Wikipedia. If you read the editing policy, it says:

However, one of the great advantages of the Wiki system is that incomplete or poorly written first drafts of articles can evolve into polished, presentable masterpieces through the process of collaborative editing. This gives our approach an advantage over other ways of producing similar end-products. Hence, the submission of rough drafts should also be encouraged as much as possible.

How is this article supposed to develop if the first version keeps getting deleted because there isn't enough text? If this is why you deleted the article, that is very inappropriate. Madder 20:10, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Rough drafts aren't usually two sentences long. Rough drafts usually are at least three paragraphs long. A introduction, a body and a conclusion. BJK 20:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Again I only need to quote the Wikipedia Editing policy:

During this process, the article might look like a first draft—or worse, a random collection of notes and factoids. Rather than being horrified by this ugliness, we should rejoice in its potential, and have faith that the editing process will turn it into brilliant prose.

Rather than delete articles just because you don't think there's enough text, you should rejoice in their potential, Whispering. Deleting an article because there isn't enough text is not justifiable, because the whole point of Wikipedia is that someone else will then come along and add to it. There was no justification for deleting this article. Madder 20:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
  • sigh* Look we can both argue till our faces turn blue but we aren't going to agree. Besides I didn't delete the article I only put it up for deletion if anything you should be mad at the admin that did. So you go your way I'll go mine and never the twain shall meet. BJK 20:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion

Regarding the article Vinod Kumar Shukla, which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "it is an article about a person, group of people, band or club that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because the article does contain some assertions of notability, like having one of his books made into a movie, although it did not when you tagged it. If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the WP:PROD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 15:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Archive one
If your here to complain about a prod or a deletion notice please instead of complaining improve the article and I'll retract my prod or deletion notice.
Please if your going to leave a message please sign with ~~~~ thank-you.
Please also note I don't reply to Trolls.
Please add new conversations below this line.

[edit] Your tagging of AnnaKusma's user subpage for CSD

I removed the CSD tag you placed on User:AnnaKucsma/Geography/France, because users are allowed to keep copies of their work in their user space for preparation in making articles. Secondly, the "not English" criteria applies only to articles. Regards, Kimchi.sg 14:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Hey, thanks for catching my typo! Nationalparks 18:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2005-06 in Portuguese rink hockey

Why have you tagged the article as non-notable? I've removed the tag, if you still think it is non notable, present your rationale in the talk. Thanks! Afonso Silva 19:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tomkins and friends

Hi,

Well, Beta isn't doing a bad thing, really -- it looks like he's entering academics from Dublin U. en masse, together with their books. Assuming they're real -- Google seemed to think the first one was -- this isn't bad. Mind you, it isn't great, either, because he's only writing really tiny stubs. Still, encyclopedias are less quick to dismiss borderline academics than to dismiss, say, borderline musicians; by the nature of their work, scholars are just a bit more likely on average to exhibit encyclopedic merit. Go ahead and prod all those if you wish, because I hope it will get Beta to expand them. Don't be surprised, though, if they end up at AfD -- a real pain considering how many there are, but those are the costs of building an encyclopedia, I guess. Best wishes, Xoloz 00:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Or it would be great if you could expand the stubs, or at least those that are of interest to you. You can often find the titles of books written by academics by visiting the British Library's catalog at http://catalogue.bl.uk or the Library of Congress catalog at http://catalog.loc.gov and entering their names. Sometimes academics have their own web pages (usually part of the department where they teach) which include their CV and publications, both of which are useful background for an article. --TruthbringerToronto 02:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion

Regarding the article Orodruin (band), which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "it is an article about a band, singer, musician, or musical ensemble that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because the article states that the band toured Europe, which is an assertion of notability. If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the WP:AFD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 14:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New York State Legislature Marriage Positions

I would keep it and ask the editor who created it to provide references where possible. Once the legislation is voted on, the list can be updated with the actual votes. Some other editors are less inclusionist than I am, so there is some risk that the article will be deleted speedily by someone else. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 21:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crap From The Past

Hello, the reason given for proposed deletion is totally cryptic--"NN. Alexa traffic rank of 1,154,607, 5 unique Ghits."--please elaborate. Iw 15:45, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your tagging The Alien Costume, Part One for Deletion

I understand why you did it, and I'm not entirely unconvinced myself that it should be deleted, but it was clearly not fan fiction. That would have been clear immediately if you had viewed the "What Links Here" page: Spider-Man: The Animated Series linked there. Nimelennar 05:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interesting AfD

Totally agree... very entertaining... I certainly like a good debate... honestly I see this article being fully deleted and ending up in DRV for sure, there's just too much conflicts of interest on the "keep" side of things. (→Netscott) 00:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of similarities between Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy

Just a note to let you know the article has been completely rewritten in the time since you voted on AfD. dryguy 16:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manhattan (Cocktail)

I don't really understand the criteria for copying something to wikibooks, or the request to make an article "encyclopedic." Can you explain further? --The Yar 19:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments on my talk page. I'm pretty familiar with the five pillars of WP and with Wikibooks. I wasn't really looking for links to those, I was interested in what your motives or intentions are, or why you think the article isn't encyclopedic. I'm also confused as to whether it's a move or a copy, because the suggestion states both. Such ambiguity makes me doubt the entire process.
There's already a pretty decent module on wikibooks for making a manhattan cocktail. The article here in WP is not a recipe and is more intended as general information on its history and influence in culture, though it does contain a lot of information on ingredients and variations. It is very similar to the Martini article, though not as long. I'm going to remove your suggestion to [copy?|move? it isn't clear] until you can make a case on that article's discussion page. --The Yar 14:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Urban Dictionary

Hey, thanks for your message. I too assumed that urbandictionary has no standards at all, but according to the Wikipedia article about the site, they have quality control measures against things like spam, duplication, nonsense, ads, messages endorsing racism/sexism, so there are some minimal standards (no idea if these are actively policed though). So I went back and changed my phrasing to "fewer and lower" Bwithh 21:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Order of Thelemic Knights

This is the second time around. I tagged this for copyvio earlier. SynergeticMaggot 23:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kevin o'shea

Thanks for the hint, I actually didn't know how to add for speedy delete, that one was my first delete in general. But I found the page :P Rohan 00:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Data Software Research Company

I don't know. Probably report it as a copyvio in case they remove the prod. You never can tell what will happen if it goes to afd. What do you think? Mattisse(talk) 00:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Experimental Study Group

Why did you delete this? What does "NN club" (from your edit summary) mean? Michael Hardy 22:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

You put a tag there that said it's about a club, although it is not about a club, and saying further that it is non-notable, which I would dispute. If you think it should be deleted, you should nominated it in articles for deletion. Michael Hardy 22:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I noticed you put the unsourced tag on the Grimaldi's Pizzeria article

There are sources cited. Four of them. Just not in the traditional way yet. Sir Crazyswordsman 16:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy tagging

Hi there, I have noticed some articles you have tagged today for speedy deletion citing the reason "Short article that hasn't been touched for a while speedy". That is not really a criterion for speedy deletion. If you read A1 on WP:SPEEDY, it reads "Limited content is not in itself a reason to delete if there is enough context to allow expansion." Thanks! --Aguerriero (talk) 22:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't agree. "Context" means "the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning". It is obvious what this article is about, and someone could expand on it easily. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. :) --Aguerriero (talk) 22:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confirm Chumby AfD?

Hey, I noticed you voted to to delete the article about the chumby. Will you vote keep Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Chumby now that many new verifiable sources have released - the product website is even back up. If not, please explain, thanks! --x1987x(talk) 23:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interoceanic Highway

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Interoceanic Highway], which you proposed for deletion. I am leaving this message here to notify you about it. I did this after testing for sources, and using one of the ones I found to do a major rewrite of the article. If you still feel the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to it. Instead, feel free to list the article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! GRBerry 02:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Illick's Mill Partnership

where should the e-mail be written to? is it to info@wikimedia.org.? Never Mind i see the email adress you wrote. Should the email include my user name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redpanther897 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Punisher 2 AfD Nomination

Thanks for reversing your vote following our work. Erik actually did the whole thing right after I left him a talk page note about working together on it, but all the same, we both appreciate it. Feel free to visit any of the other pending movie pages I work on, or he works on, and give us some constructive criticisms before nominating in the future, as you can see, both of us (and Ace Class Shadow) all work hard to keep those pages tight, but there's a lot of them and three of us, and hundreds of editors working without high standards. We recently cleaned up Gotham City, and slowly work on other pages to clean up, and spend lots of time protecting the pages we've already fixed from being corrupted with bad rumors and vandalism. ThuranX 21:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nominating an article for deletion

I'm trying to nominate Batman Triumphant as an article for deletion, but I can't seem to make it show up correctly on today's log. What am I doing wrong? --Erik 00:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind; I didn't have the title set up as a section. First time trying to follow the deletion policy. --Erik 00:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response to your message

It's funny you should ask, since just yesterday I played around with it and figured it out. I was copying and pasting it everywhere (!) but you can change how ~~~~ appears under "My Preferences". You can read Wikipedia:Customisation and Wikipedia:How to fix your signature for more help. Cheers! -- Merope Talk to me/Review me 01:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jamie Guy

Hey, you reposted a speedy delete on this article, I believe a player in the second tier of English football deserves an article, and as such have removed the notice, improved the article, and hope you agree with my course of action. If not then I'd be delighted to discuss a solution with you! Cheers. Budgiekiller 19:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Young Inventors International

You marked this article as a copyright violation, but it's not. What do you think violates copyright? I'm trying to unmark it. The only similarities between the article and the organization's website is that the article describes the organization.

He did the same thing to an article I wrote. I can only guess that posts with a look of professionalism are automatically assumed to be in violation of copyright.Drdannyu 16:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Draft

Sorry about that; I had reverted and commented out the three templates so they wouldn't show up, but then I wiped out those changes when I uploaded the version I had been working on offline. Oops! -- Gwern (contribs) 16:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whoops

Sorry. --Woohookitty(meow) 02:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Association of Ideas

Hi,

Well... it isn't prod-able as OR; the term is a real one from Aristotle that I recall from my intro. to Western Philosophy course. It is prod-able as badly-written, I guess... really, a philosophy expert should merge this, or expand it. User:Lulu of the Lotus Eaters is a professional philosopher, so perhaps we should run it by him. Best wishes, Xoloz 01:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Idle curiosity...

Actually, I came across your contributions on Recent Changes...Must have been an AfD page I suppose :-) --HappyCamper 05:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Whispering! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Prodego talk 01:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Nandini_Rajendran

With reference to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Nandini_Rajendran I gind that your ONLY contention seems to be verifiability. Since I have given citations from leading news papers, I expect you to revise the vote as the article is verifiable at present  Doctor Bruno Talk 02:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Restitution Transfer and Recoupment restore

Permission has been granted by patentholder for Restitution Transfer and Recoupment article. Please restore as soon as possible. JLMadrigal 12:17, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Celebrity Fit Club

I didn't vandalize the article, I was just adding a small note to make it more clear to readers. It made it look like Conaway returned to the competition while he just showed up for that episode only to speak to the cast and panel. I hope you understand. 69.218.254.136 01:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wha-wha-what?!

Re: your Brian Patrick Lynch edit summary, are you really 6'9", 315 lbs?! I kinda wanna see that! And I'm 100% straight. LOL... —Wknight94 (talk) 02:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battleship (game) Revert

Is there a reason you reverted my addition to Battleship (game)? My free game was on that page until recently when someone removed the ones that were there before and changed them to the ones that are there now. It might seem like I'm advertising but my game is free.

[edit] right

OK, it's a neologism, but it's better than having fixations. Herostratus 20:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Replies from gamers

Why are you proposing that the DeFRaG and Challenge Pro Mode Arena articles be deleted, when they are not commercial software, and when WP:SOFTWARE is not even official policy? Especially the latter; Challenge Pro Mode Arena is certainly one of the largest mods available for Quake III, and is deserving of an article on Wikipedia. I have since removed the templates on both pages (as the template explicitly said that one could remove it if one had an objection, which I did), and I have made improvements to Challenge Pro Mode Arena. --Ryodox 20:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

PoE has won countless awards, is back by EA and Dice, is played by thousands and thousands of people, and has been featured in numerous magazine articles and Tech TV. The fact that you are crusading against these mods shows a lack of understanding and respect from you as well as makes sites like the Wiki less legit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.43.65 (talk • contribs)

I hope you do the honorable thing and stop trolling the wiki and find something better to do with your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.69.42.2 (talk • contribs)

I'm not trolling but your close. Whispering(talk/c) 19:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Seems you've been a busy boy today eh? and it looks as though my Point of Existence modification isn't the only target you have lined up in your sights. typical attitude I'd expect from someone who claims video games to be 'evil'. I also fail to see how your argument for WP:SOFTWARE even applies to us so what's your problem with a small article about a free modification which took 3 and a half years of hard work to make? DrunkenPirate 01:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Why are you setting out to cause trouble on the wiki? Do you have nothing better to do? I honestly think your page should be deleted for trolling looking to cause trouble on the Wiki. For a free information site, you sure do run around like the Gestapo looking to cause issues with sites that are legit and actually contribute which you certainly do not.

Have you read the article? If you did take the time to read this article you would see that this has taken a team of people a great deal of time to create. Have you visted thier website and seen how much work was put into the modification and effort into supporting a community of gamers, which I might add could have been directed here for information. I believe you will lose a great deal of people using your site due to your arrogance towards any game modifications which are free to anyone who has bought the game in question. It seems to me you are just picking on a group of talented people for no other reason then to cause a storm, is your life that void of drama? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.142.141.216 (talk • contribs)

why do you feel it nessercry to try delete the POE2 arical. what is so wrong with it? if you do there will be huge resentment, why cause so much hassel? i need to understand, why somone would bother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PTGshogun (talk • contribs)

It doesn't matter how popular PoE2 or some other mods are. Unless those articles are vastly improved, I think they should be deleted. Unicyclopedia 05:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bad translation

Hi there; I knew, of course, that a bad translation is not a reason for deletion, although if, as in this case, the translation is so bad as to render the article only semi-comprehensible one might argue the point. My main reason for nomination is that the article is an essay, which is a valid reason for deletion.--Anthony.bradbury 13:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Whispering, is this unsigned tirade aimed at you or me?--Anthony.bradbury 12:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi there; I wasn't worrying about that tirade, just uncertain as to whether I needed to find out what they were talking about so as to answer it. Which of course I now won't. Had the author learnt enough about wiki to enable himself to insert his comment under the right heading I would not have had to ask. I notice that you have taken the trouble to move it into the right topic, which I feel shows true dedication!--Anthony.bradbury 13:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] adolescent medicine article

I noted a while ago that you raised concerns about the adolescent medicine article. I posted a reply at the copyright violations page, but at this time there is still a link to the adolescent medicine article. Please let me assure you that I wrote the article myself, and it is totally free-text. I did a fellowship in adolescent medicine, and everything I wrote is very basic information that anyone who works in the field could compose with little difficulty in a short time. I would like to have the copyright violations link removed. Please let me know if this is something that you feel requires further discussion; I will remove the link if I do not hear from you.

Best, Daniel Summers, MD Drdannyu 16:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know if I should reply to your comment on my usertalk page or not. (I don't really grasp the nuances of the Wiki experience, it seems.) The article is not original research, and everything I wrote is basic information in the field. Most of it could be found in a variety of different sources;the standard in medicine is that, if a fact is widely known and can be found in a variety of sources, specific citation is generally not indicated. Should anyone wish to verify the content of the article, the links provided already should yield sufficient verification.Drdannyu 18:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Emo MfD

Thank you so much for the barnstar you gave me! I've been on Wikipedia for four years now and it's the only one I've ever gotten, so obviously it means a lot to me! --Aaron 05:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spleen

Ben,

I strongly protest your censorship of my spleen modifications and want to take this to a higher arbitrator not associated with Wikipedia. The modifications are pertinent to a high-profile current athlete who suffered a major operation to remove his spleen. The lack of sympathy or pertinence shown by the editors at Wikipedia is appalling.

Seriously, though--look at a great many of your "legitimate" entries. They are poorly written, structured or prioritized. Compare the entries for Britney Spears and Lionel Trilling. Who deserves the bigger entry in a purported encyclopedia of important knowledge? The entry for my alma mater, Northwestern University, is so poorly written that you couldn't even pin the writing on our engineering grads.

Here is where your democratic experiment truly fails. I'd take the Encyclopedia Britannica, whose erudite writers don't spend 8 hours a day watching television or reading US Weekly, any day of the week over Wikipedia. If you let the masses have their way, you'll likely get crap and enhanced entries for cliched subjects like Roseanne Barr, McDonald's or SEC football. Call me an elitist, but as the great literary critic Harold Bloom has written, "mediocrity breeds mediocrity".

So, to arbitrarily say that my modifications are inappropriate while allowing sentences like "Northwestern's athletic teams are nicknamed the Wildcats" strikes me as highly subjective blindness about something that clearly doesn't work -- much like George W. Bush with respect to the current quagmire in Iraq.

All the same, though I don't expect you to fully see the light, I hope I've given you the perspective of someone who is highly skeptical of the notion that Wikipedia and its ilk represent a way forward for humanity. I resolutely reject that notion, and I hope more intelligent people do too.

Regards, The Chris Simms Spleen Guy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.40.99 (talk • contribs)

[edit] User talk:Residuals

That was a weird one. I've reverted it and protected it so only sysops can edit it. -- Merope Talk 00:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Nah, I think that was the best place for it. -- Merope Talk 01:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: relisting

{{relist}}. Remember to remove it from the old AfD page too, otherwise it's still open on that day's log. Thanks. --W.marsh 01:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stop

Don't accuse me of vandalizing when I didn't vandalize anything.

This message was left for you by 198.138.41.183 seems we both ticked him off at some point. --Matthew 06:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Computer modifications

I'm pretty sure I have a reputation for hating computer modifications.  :) -- Merope Talk 19:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Why Was the Guinness Recipe Deleted?

I am curious as to why you deleted the guinness clone brewing recipe? I figured this would be something that would offer more insight into Guinness as a drink...—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdaoust (talk • contribs)


[edit] I'm a dork

Yes I had done some vandalism, as I am a dork and wont do anymore, I probably just will stop editing.However can you tell me exactly what the deal is with wikipedia and encyclopedia dramatica??? I cannot get a straight answer out of anyone here! I created a page on them that had violated nothing, it was very short, explaining that they are a saterical site paroding wikiprojects (from the best I can tell) and they are often profane. I also included how there has been some sort of controversy with wikipedia and the dramatica but no factual information exists on the conflict becuz encyclopedia dramatica is satrical and therefore can't count on their information and wikipedia doesn't have any info on them whatsoever. What is going on? Why is encyclopedia dramatica akin to the word "mordor" that isn't even supposed to be uttered aloud in the shire? Whatever is going on it smells, and I've tried asking other people on here with no response. And my page got deleted with no info or reason, what is up??? Not to have a protected page with npov factual info on something becuase it is anti-wikipedia (is thats whats going on?) sounds really fishy to me - it really makes it appear that some admins ban things just becuz of a grudge or something - I have no idea, but I'd like to know whats going on.

Please answer me, I promise I will not be negative or a problem for wikipedia in any way, I'm just a sometimes dumb kid. Thank you in advance for a thorough response.

--- (Sorry, I'm a little confused as to where to respond so I'm posting here as well to your reply on my talk page)

Hmm, that is intersting. Its pretty obvious encyclopedia dramatica folks are in fact, well, idiots, but it does seem wikipedia isn't really fulfilling their purpose by treating all information on them like the word 'mordor' I can't really concieve of how it would be a problem to have a locked page on them, but its not like its really a big deal. However it is disapointing to see wikipedia be this way, wikipedia isn't truly living up to its own principles - not that I can really talk, or really care, I certaintly have marks against myself, but in an objective way this is a mark against wikipedia.

-In fact now that I think about it, it was wrong for my page on encyclopedia dramatica to get instantly deleted. It was NPOV and factual, just becuase it is a sore subjuct does not give an admin a right to delete it. This is totally what wikipedia is NOT, at least what its not supposed to be. I don't really care about encyclopedia dramatica, its the principle of the matter thats important. I need to pursue a grievence, however I suppose there is no such thing as it appears admins hold all this power. This is really weird. I know I was being a jerk and screweing around on some things before, but the more I'm learning and researching wikipedia the more I'm finding out you people are no better than the vandalism I was doing earlier. I don't really see the point of me taking the time to contribute anything if it can be arbitrally deleted at will just becuase some admin with no checks on their power feels that way.

[edit] Hello

I am not here to complain good sir.

However, I politely disagree with your notice for the page Tamriel Rebuilt

It is a fairly notable mod project for Elder Scrolls, and in fact, googling "Tamriel" will display the project's homepage over any other sites, even Bethesda's. I read this over and the context does not show any form of self-promotion whatsoever. (In accordance to your WP:SOFTWARE notice)

Anyhow, If I am wrong (and I may be) please tell me how I may improve the article, because I believe it would be better if it were kept instead of deleted.

Thanks :)

74.12.1.194 21:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC) (a.k.a User:Swiftoak)

Yep, that was me ;) Swiftoak 21:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles for deletion: Liero

Because of the deletion/merge outcome of the article Liero Xtreme that you participated in, several related articles have been nominated for deletion on the same grounds. Please see the discussion.--Snoopydawg 08:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA thanks

Hi, Whispering! Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 75/0/1! I hope I can live up to the standards of adminship, and I will try my best to make Wikipedia a better place. Feel free to send me a message if you need any assistance. :)

--Coredesat 16:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roger Sharpe

Hey look, the criteria for CSD G12 changed since the last time I read them. It used to involve something about being "copied from a commercial content provider" - in other words, copyvios from websites other than newsmedia and the like were not eligible. I didn't know it had gotten broader. Thanks for the headsup! FreplySpang 22:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed the {{nonsense}} tag you placed on Rupatadine. It is a real drug. —Brim 16:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chongas

Wikipedia may not be a slang guide, but it DOES contain articles about youth subcultures and stereotypes. Tamajared 22:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD: TV Show Articles

Heh, I may be of the opinion that the vast majority of TV show articles shouldn't exist, but I'm also too lazy to go around nominating them myself. I will content myself to voting for their deletion when they get nominated by others. --The Way 01:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roly Poly

Okay, it's unprotected, simply copy your stub over the top of the template and keep it on your watch list. Good luck. I'll keep it on mine too. Good job on the stub, too! Steve block Talk 20:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] International Union of Food Science and Technology

Every two years, it hosts a World Congress of Food Science. The next conference is in Shanghai, China in 2008.

From the website:Organization of a World Congress of Food Science once every two years, except between 2003 and 2006 - Australia 1999, Korea 2001, USA 2003, France 2006, China 2008 ...

It is cosponsor of regional and national conferences, short courses, and workshops. This has included over 80 symposia with subsequent publications afterwards.

From the website:Co-sponsorship of national or regional scientific conferences, short courses, and workshops - sometimes with financial support. IUFoST has sponsored over 80 symposia on a wide range of topics.

Liaision with the United Nations' Food and Agricultural Organization and World Health Organization on international food science and technology issues.

From the website:Liaision with FAO and WHO of the United Nations regarding matters pertaining to international programs in food science and technology and provision of experts for the field.

It is a copyvio just reworded slightly. Whispering 20:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Ideas can't be copyrighted, rewriting them in one's own words is not a copyright violation. Stifle (talk) 20:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
This was sent on Stifile's homepage as well. Since I am the creator of this article, I was not doing any plagarizing as claimed by you. All I was doing was trying to put IUFoST in the best foot forward. If you want to have a beef with me on that, then please leave me a message on my talk page. I can discuss it with you there. Chris 17:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

I appreciate the recognition! Andre (talk) 03:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] International Union of Food Science and Technology

Since I am the creator of this article, I was not doing any plagarizing as claimed by Whispering. All I was doing was trying to put IUFoST in the best foot forward. If you want to have a beef with me on that, then please leave me a message on my talk page. I can discuss it with you there. Chris 17:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem whatsoever with it, as you will note I refused a deletion request for it. Stifle (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Signature

Hi! I'd like my letter e (in NCurse) to be green. Could you help me please how to solve it? Thanks in advance. NCurse work 21:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! :) NCurse work 07:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Association

Can you please stop mucking up the word count i.e. making it higher than it actually is. This will not go unnoticed. Simply south 12:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry.................................................. First one, yes probably, oops. 2nd one - no. Simply south 17:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] setting up an independant wiki

Do you know how to set up an independant wiki site? I own the domain www.dothemusic.com and would like to set up a music wiki-site It would sort of be like a musicbrainz meets allmusic guide. I'm not interested in making a lot of money with it, just interested in creating a one-stop-shop for musician content and purchasing information. Please pass this on to anyone that might be interested. Thank you.

Without Wax, Paul Andrews

[edit] Eh?

Wasn't vandalising - was reverting vandslism by a school ip (216.11.46.10)

Stui 15:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Wow, my first Barnstar! Thanks! --humblefool® 00:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Cheers for almost-instantly reverting Professor Sunderland's edit to my talk. He needs to be blocked. I would go back on IRC and discuss but I'm going to bed! Thanks again. — Gary Kirk // talk! 22:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MfD

I didn't find them. I just deleted them after User:Calton collected and listed them. I've asked him the same question myself. Hopefully he answers soon. - Mgm|(talk) 22:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Calton responded on my talk page. - Mgm|(talk) 09:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Could you please give some input on Wikipedia:Userspace abuse. I'm probably going to rename it before asking for community input. - Mgm|(talk) 09:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Slowking

Must have been too sleepy last night :). I thought it was a page attacking Slowking Man but then checked out the history. All I could say was oops. - Aksi_great (talk) 09:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please undo your revert

The change I made to Big Daddy's BBQ Sauce was legitimate: the company is not listed on Nasdaq; it is listed on the Pink Sheets. If you have any questions, please let me know. 68.173.32.171 14:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please undo your revert #2

The change to Ingersoll Rand was correct; it is a Company of Bermuda (see Tyco International and Weatherford International for the consistently identical treatment). Thanks!

[edit] Tock redirect

Hi—I'm planning on creating an article about a board game called Tock. Would you mind if I cancel the redirection of Tock to the Pure Dead series and provide disambiguation at the newly created page? --dragfyre 02:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Phil Hine

Please do not vandalise valid edits of mine for Phil Hine. I have formatted the article, given references and expanded on fact of biography. I noticed that you removed your comments from my talk page. I removed the delition nomination as it was decided as a 'Keep'. What is the problem? FK0071a 15:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Latin translation

Hi. On Radiant's userpage you left some Latin which read "Complexo sulum quoniam is vires exsisto vestri permaneo". What does this mean??? Thanks! DellusMaximus 10:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_December_5#E-Sword

Because you participated in the AfD, I thought I should inform you of the deletion review. --Karnesky 17:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Ooops - thanks for putting that template in :D Martinp23 20:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editor review

Thanks for having requested an editor review. A month has passed since it has been posted there, and it has been archived. You can find it at Wikipedia:Editor review/Whispering/Archive one, where you may read last minute additions. We would really appreciate your help in reviewing a random editor. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 01:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Phire Dawson

Your recent edit to Phire Dawson (diff) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // AntiVandalBot 23:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{afd3}}

Cheers for that! I probably should have double-checked I highlighted everything in the {{afd1}} template before pressing Control-C :) Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 00:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Are you still active with the Trivia Cleanup project?

I was wondering if you were still active with the Trivia Cleanup project. Seeing as how Category:Articles with large trivia sections hasn't gone down much, I figured many people became inactive. I've created a talk page discussion here, asking if people are active or not: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trivia_Cleanup#Who_is_still_active_with_the_project.3F. RobJ1981 06:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Barnstar

Why thanks, glad to amuse :) Teke (talk) 01:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magic Bullet (appliance)

Hello, I noticed that you !voted early in this AfD. I can easily see how you arrived at your decision, base don information present in the debate at the time you !voted. If you are so inclined, would you please take a moment to review any new information that has been left since you last viewed it, and see if there is possibly basis to change your !vote? Thanks, Jerry lavoie 18:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:British Shipbuilders evolution

Hi, a while ago you commented on the deficiencies of a template I prepared at Template:British Shipbuilders evolution. I have worked out how to put wikilinks in using the {{image map}} template, I think you will agree it is a big improvement, and actually readable without a magnifying glass :) Emoscopes Talk 16:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Melonpool

You recently added an 'unsourced' tag to Melonpool. I know the comic quite well, and wrote much of the article, so if you could highlight the points you think need clarifying I'll get some references (mostly individual strips). Cheers LukeSurl 19:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

I've deleted your two userpages which you tagged as {{db-author}}. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 12:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fantastic Four 2

You recently re-added the overlong plot template. I've reduced the plot by about a KB, and reduced the level of detail to avoid it being too fannish, and allowing us to avoid the spoiler tag while coverign the big points of the plot. Plese take a look, and either give comments on the talk page for further improvements, give it a go yourself, or remove the tag, depending on your opinion of the revisions. Thanks for the review. (If nothing's done in 72 hours, I'll drop the tag myself, so it doesn't grow stale there or provoke ridiculously radical shaving of the plot). ThuranX 02:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prod

I think Heroes in Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends is really more of a character list instead of a game guide, but it needs too much cleanup that I don't feel like doing to save it, so I really don't care.--Clyde (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pong Kombat

I'm trying, honest. :) --Golbez 19:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

My RFA
User:TenPoundHammer and his romp of Wikipedia-editing otters thank you for participating in Hammer's failed request for adminship, and for the helpful tips given to Hammer for his and his otters' next run at gaining the key. Also, Hammer has talked to the otters, and from now on they promise not to leave fish guts and clamshells on the Articles for Deletion pages anymore. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 17:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ALSong

Hi Whispering, I've replaced the prod you added on ALSong with an AfD instead, as the article had previously been prod'd and contested. Discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ALSong if you wish to comment, thanks, Marasmusine 13:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)