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Conestoga High School

Source:http://www.montgomerynews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15923591&BRD=1597&PAG=461&dept_id=188818&rfi=6 Nasalandedonthemoon

Faustus' Damnation

it is noteworthy that the text of the play itself does not provide clear evidence for this.
Need source for that... Sparknotes makes it pretty damn clear that Faustus was damned)

I use the text of the play as my argument that the text leaves it ambiguous as to whether or not he was damned. Like I said, his friends assume this is the case, but Marlowe leaves the fate of Faustus unclear. Sparknotes would never qualify as an acceptable citation where I went to college, but I admit that there is a lot of literature written about his damnation, but this follows from the assumptions made in the final scene of the play, assumptions that Marlowe clearly provides contradictory argumemt for within his play. I left a slightly more in depth explanation in The Tragical History of Doctor Faustus talk page. --starX 14:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Listen, this is hardly original research, I'm talking about what Marlowe actually wrote in the play. Forget anything that may or may not be true about Christian cannon, I'm talking about what's in the text of Dr. Faustus, nothing more, nothing less. In my original version, I was trying to make it clear that it is commonly argued that Faustus is damned. My point is that this is not clearly Marlowe's position based on what Marlowe wrote. --starX 20:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I understand your concerns now. For the moment I can only offer the rather lame answer that yes, I have stumbled across sources for this, but no, I don't happen to have them handy at the moment, and so I'm not citing them. That's why my edit to the original post about his damnation was limited to saying that while it may be argued that Faustus is damned, Marlowe himself leaves his fate ambiguous. I would, of course make the argument that he is saved, but recognizing that is an interpretation, I was merely looking to correct the article entry to indicate that, unlike Goethe's Faust, Marlowe leaves the state of his Dr. Faustus' soul for his audience to decide. --starX 22:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

All over Wikipedia

When ever I'm looking at a wiki article... and I look at the history page... your name is on it... usually recently. Good job!!! But how the hell are you on all of these things? Sgarza 21:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Yay!

Yay, indeed. ;P Highway Return to Oz... 18:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Case Closed Naming Question

I think it is in a deadlock, if we combine the opinions in Talk:Case Closed and Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Anime and Manga. I plan to invoke WP:RfC, and I want you to give an opinion for this. Samuel Curtis 09:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I have prepared a RfC thread draft in my user space: User:Samuel Curtis/Case Closed RfC. If you think a RfC is necessary, please check if the RfC is appropriate. Samuel Curtis 11:51, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually that article was prepared according to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Article RfC example. As a result, the "Comments" part is just part of the RfC but not for your comments-- however, your comments in Talk:Case Closed#Stop It!!! is well noted and would be copied into the RfC.
Also, since your dispute with User:Robin_SnnS is going a bit dirty, IMO, so I am asking for RfC. I hope you won't mind that. Samuel Curtis 16:55, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Naruto

My mistake. Still, western naming order is common among such series, regardless of what time period they may be placed in. For simple consistency if nothing else, they should be ordered that way. I would also point out that the qualifications for using a non-western order specifically notes "historical figure" as the qualifications, which the characters in this series surely aren't. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

And the anime uses Western order. Which do you think people will be more familiar with? I really hate to say it, but people these days spend far more time watching television than they do reading. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha (or whatever typing-based laugh approximation you prefer)! Regardless of any interpretations one might make on the manual or style or however Viz may do their work, it's my simple opinion that the western naming order should apply to everything except historical figures. Regardless of a time period in which a series may take place, it's still created after that point. To avoid general confusion, surname should be last. I doubt I can change your mind about the order, but the reverse is also true. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Stop vandalizing.

It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks!

A serious message - PLEASE READ

Wikipedia operates on the principle that every contributor has a right if they wish to remain completely anonymous. Wikipedia policy on that issue is strictly enforced. Posting private information about a user, specifically their (alleged) name and/or personal details, is strictly prohibited as harassment, and users who do that are often immediately blocked from editing Wikipedia.

Such posting can cause offence or embarrassment to the victim of the posting, not least because it means that their name, and any personal criticism or allegations made against them can then appear on web searches. If you have posted such information, please remove it immediately. Please then follow the link to this page and inform people there that the information was posted (but crucially, do not repost it on that page). An admin or developer can then remove the information from the archives of Wikipedia.

If you do not ensure that personal information you posted is removed from this site you may be blocked from editing this site. REMEMBER: Wikipedia's privacy policy is there to protect the privacy of every user, including you.

I urge you to stop blatantly accusing me, and the constant vandalizing of my talk pages. Apparently you are not civil enough to get the message from edit text. Refrain from posting my contact information, as I didn't put them in WP for a reason. I hope that you will come to your senses and stop this nonsense. MonsterOfTheLake 02:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Link

Sorry, didn't mean AI/V, meant WP:AN/I. — xaosflux Talk 02:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


RYULONG Harrasment

Hi.. I too have been totally and utterly harrassed and wikibullied by RYULONG... two days ago... I was trying to bring up a topic on the JEREMY CLARKSON discussion page and he would just delete it every time I would paste it.

Look HERE and you can see that he just kept deleteing it over and over so that I could NOT have it discussed.

He was trying to paste a quote into the article where Jeremy had supposedly said that "Americans have sex with their cousins because that's what they do". He insisted that it should remain claiming that on Wikipedia you have to prove that someone DIDN't say something not that they DID. I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT... the guy is a total fantasist and bully. These people were often bullied heavily at school.

I deleted it and told him that he needed a SOURCE if he was going to claim something so controversial.

Naturally I wrote about it on the DISCUSSION page and he just kept deleting it over and over and then started harrassing me and sending me smug emails and messages. Eventually I told him to F.O. right on his TALK page as you can see for yourself... so naturally he had me blocked and I just kept coming back with different IPs and correcting his INCEST fantasies. It was hilarious, eventually RYULONG and some other WIKIBULLIES tried to block all of my IPs and then My WHOLE RANGE of IPs. and I just kept coming back and coming back and correcting the page. I have over 30 different ISPs I can connect through so It was funny to see their smug little bullying attempts overridden and thwarted again and again. I burned the shit out of them.

Eventually the ANTI-AMERICAN brigade were forced to go and PROVE teh quote by citing a SOURCE. As suspected, the actual sentence was NOTHING like the one that they were insisting that he "probably said".

This guy is not a proper ADMIN is he? He needs to be sorted out anyway. A real problem for nice folk trying to keep the books FACTUAL.

Any idea how to complain about his stalking and harrasment?

My username is YourCousin but they have blocked me for a week for REVERTING the fals INCEST claims. Weird place huh? Anyway... you can reach me on my User Page if you have any ideas on who helps with Wiki-bullies?

Ciao

YourCousin--86.29.114.38 11:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

NOTE: 86 posted this to talk pages of many people. I doubt that he is correct in this argument. WhisperToMe 17:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh no it's a NOTE in bold! ;) Current situation of this user can be found at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#YourCousin_sockpuppeting.--Andeh 17:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


I think it's unfair that you would say that 'you doubt' that I am correct. All you have to do is to look at the pages that I've been talking about, you will see that EVERYTHING I havbe said is true. Why would you sit on your hands 'doubting' when the TRUTH is a few click away? Are you BLINDLY on his side or are you a fair person? Why not have a look? The truth has NO HOLES EVER!!

Ryulong HAS been bullying and tried very hard to keep a false QUOTE on the JEREMY CLARKSON page. Using sock puppets I was able to force him through the aid of other editors, to acquire the ACTUAL quote and SOURCE it... what a criminal I am huh?!

Ryulong on the other hand, repeatedly deleted my DISCUSSION TOPIC in his attempt to place the FALSE INCEST statement on the page.

If you are going to quote someone claiming that they've made jokes about INCEST, then you should back it up with a source.

Isn't WIKIPEDIA about accuracy and integrity?

It's all there in black and white.

Also - I did not email tons of users... I left messages on approx 4 pages. I thought I was messaging people that had problems with the guy too. AFTER I did that, I discovered that the guy had been nominated for ADMIN... this was really bad news.

This all started with a group of Anti-American editors that PROTECT the Jeremy Clarkson page. Both incidents have since been corrected as I was relying on fact not ambigous anti-American information.

I am not a BULLY. I am not politically motivated. I am not a vandal. My issues have been about FACTUALISING the political works of crooked admin who abuse the 3rr rule and cite PERSONAL ATTACK REACTION as personal attack.

I hope you will actually look into this. You seem to have taken a great interest in it, why not be wholesome and fair and look into my claim?

Thanks for reading.

YourCousin --86.29.116.209 18:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


I'm honestly not here for a fight or debate, I just ask that you please look into what I've talked about (the bullying and dicscussion topic deleting) and let me know what you think.

I have a proper USERNAME with nearly 2,000 edits. If I use that to communicate with you or edit the Jeremy Clarkson page, the ADMIN and editors there follow you around undoing your work and getting their ADMIN buddies to block you. So I have special IDs for such pages. Sorry. They made it that way. I DO NOT VANDALISE.

Today, I tried to tell my VALID story on Ryulong's admin nomination page and his #3 supporter, MR LEFTY was there within 120 seconds to delete and censor my story. This is unfair. The whole vote is now unfair because of such censure.

If you are not crooked, then please at least tell me, "YES, IT LOOKS LIKE HE DID THWART YOUR DISCUSSION AND TRY TO KEEP THE WRONG QUOTE IN THE PAGE"... that's all. That's how it all got started. I am 38 years old, I don't find INCEST as funny as Ryulong.

Please respond. I would appreciate it.

YourCousin--86.29.116.209 19:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


Ha ha... I've just noticed that you're from TEXAS... I AM FROM MIDLAND TEXAS!!!(but living in the UK for now) 750 miles from Houston I think, but damn man!! don't you see who these Anti-USA guys are? Don't you recognize the Don't Mess With Texas attitude from me? LOOK AT THE REVERTS!

This all started because the page said that YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PASSPORT to buy a drink in USA and that machine guns are legal. This pissed me off because Anti American people in Britain thrive on this mis-information. My revert war with Ryulong was down to him wanting to keep a statement that said that ALL AMERICANS HAVE INCEST.. the quote was false, but he went al great lengths to keep it, stating that it didnt need a source. I think that if you say that someone else said that an entire COUNTRY(THE USA) has incest, that you should have to back it up. Isn't Wikipedia about FACT and ITEGRITY?

The page now has the real quote which is not much better but at least it does not say it about ALL AMERICANS and at least it's a real quote with a real source!

DUDE!! LOOK AT THE PAGE! PLEASE!!!

I've been stitched up majorly!!

YourCousin --86.29.116.209 19:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


Hey, It's no problem. I see you're not bright enough to follow the history. No problems. Like I have explained, there is no reputation. I noticed that when you edit the Anti American rhetoric out of the Jeremy Clarkson page that the Anti-American editors chase you down undoing your work, marking you articles for deletion and haveing you blocked for fictional violations. I would never affiliate my real username with nearly 2,000 edits with this mess. I went to battle with some people that were using the page for their own political purposes and I have succeeded. The fictional INCEST quote has been fixed. I have no beef anymore. I'm just watching all you busybodies having some good fun pretending to block me. You guys are soooo cool to hang out with. Thanks for the smug little comment WhisperTome... I'll think about the 'YourCousin' reputation tonight when I'm laughing myself to sleep. You're a disgrace to Texans everywhere. But then Houston is a bit like L.A. isn't it?

YourCousin--86.29.118.28 20:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC) --86.29.118.28 20:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


Ha Ha ha... he everybody its NTL!! hahahaa!!! I am on TESCO... it is run by NTL a huge COMMUNICATIONS company... I have 31 ISPs... 12 of them are run by NTL... My name is JASON SMITH I live in London... I am not hiding.. you want a phone call from me?

Here is my warning template... this is far more effective then your pretend BLOCKS... KEEP FUCKING WITH ME AND I WILL RUIN YOUR WIKI experience... I have a shit list thats itchin for your name to go on it. You harrass and bulyl me and my valid complaint and I will undo everything you do with my 31 ISPs and all of their ranges for the next few moths,,, I am bored... I'm in bed for the rest of my life basically. This will be good fun. So think hard cunt! Do I seem liek a bluffer? Have I bullshitted yet? You are in the wrong and I suggest you back the fuck off now!

YourCousin--81.174.214.220 20:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I just got your little threat about contacting my ISP... buddy this aint the states... this place is slooooooowww!!! you do your best!!

you think you can make more trouble for me than I can for you? let me know... I'll start tonight.

Let me know ASAP...

Silence will be considered as: "YES YOUR COUSIN, DELETE, UNDO and MARK MY ARTICLES FOR DELETION FOR MONTHS TO COME"

Try me little boy...

You wont like it.

Trace this IP now you cocksucker!

YourCousin --81.174.214.220 20:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


Ok... I've just seen your remarks on the NOTICEBOARD...

YOU ARE OFFICALLY FUCKED.

Goodbye.

YourNightmare--86.29.125.157 21:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


When you wake up and discover your undone work, I want you to remember these little chats and the opportunity I gave you.

YourCousin--81.174.209.116 21:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


You're not very thorough for a genius are you? the IP that begins with 81 is not NTL. Try again goat roper.

YourNightmare

Request

Hi WhisperToMe,

Can you please help me with this user? I'm pretty sure he's the banned User:Rovoam, and now he's stalking my edits and reverting them. Can you block him or something? Thanks. —Khoikhoi 22:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again! —Khoikhoi 22:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

re:Naruto naming debate

Look, let's just agree to disagree. You're not going to change my mind, and it's very clear that I won't able to change yours. Let's just keep this on the debate page rather than cluttering up our talk pages. --NeoChaosX (talk | contribs) 04:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


Sorry

Sorry about the whole Satoshi Tajiri thing.

Shanequinlan01


REPMART

The Repmart connection was made over 3 weeks ago. You are slow. You will never be a detective, never. I have never hidden who I am. My name is Jason. I am Jason Smith. I run over 15 websites for different people. Repmart is owned by a client of mine who I used to be in a band with. If you have been there you will see that it is funny audio. I only happened to use the email address because I needed one. You see REPMART and YourCousin and YourOtherCousin are all sock puppets of my real account which has no problems and nearly 2,000 edits.

Your crooked friend that you are sticking up for, Ryulong, tried to harrass me, initmidate me, revert everything I did. Now I am returning the favor.

you see young man, when you edit pages that politically motivated editors watch, you can get into trouble editing their work. Like if someone says that ALL AMERICANS HAVE INCEST which is what the argument was about. Lets say you think thats too controversial to say without having a SOURCE and you decide to delete it... well, Ryulong and his buddies chase you down and undo all of your work, they mark your articles for deletion and they have their admin friends block you for false crimes. This is why I cannot use my proper ID. I find this works very well. I have 31 different sets of ISPs... NTL run a few of em.. and eleventygadjillion ranges of IPs. If someone wants to invite me into their life then I'll play the games!! It's good fun.

If I make some contribution and someone reverts it, it doesnt really bother me... but when they message me saying "IM LAUGHING OUT LOUD" and then wikistalk me, I'm gonna fuck em up.

I know you have taken much interest in me and in return, now me in you... but what have you done? Told people that some of my IPs are with NTL? Repmart.com? I hear lots of stink from you but no substance... When are you gonna score a point of of me? I'm buring the shit out of you... Don't you care?

You're totally fizzled!

Anyway...

I made you a promise last night and you are definitely on my shit list... I just have a smaller fish to fry now.. so hang on!

GFYM--86.29.124.160 17:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


THREATS

I would ask Ryulong if I make threats. I'm taking a break now. Bored. His RFA is looking dire. I hate my game.

Westchase, Florida

Will you also let me add the same with Westchase, Houston, Texas. I did and it was reverted as "redundant" because Westchase, Florida is an unincorporated area west of Tampa. I believe that if it's listed here it should be listed in the Texas page. --Moreau36 03:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Cypress Woods HS

"*Weak Delete with no prejudice against future re-creation. — Only because the school is apparently not open yet and so doesn't meet my personal criteria for notability. But it's covered on the school district page, so that's good enough for now. :-) — RJH (talk) 16:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC) "
Cypress Woods is scheduled to open in a few weeks. WhisperToMe 05:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay thanks. But I can't imagine there would be much to say about the school for a few years. Perhaps it would be best to develop some information on the school district page until it can become a solid, stand-along article? — RJH (talk) 16:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

What we could do is turn Cypress Woods HS into a section of the Cy-Fair ISD page and then wait for information to accumulate before re-establishing the page. WhisperToMe 16:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes that makes perfect sense to me. The school district pages are usually much more resistant to deletion attempts, so they're a good place for accumulating brief school descriptions. — RJH (talk) 16:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Current TV show template

The template says that "This article is about a TV show", which is misleading when the article is also about a comic. My main point is that the template is horribly redundant tho, the lead section and/or the infobox tells the reader that it is a current TV show, there's just no point in having that big template. A better solution for this would be to nominate that template for deletion, which I'm going to do soon. --Conti|✉ 16:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Cheese

Hey man, well, news reports aren't the best place to get information on illegal drugs. Has the DEA written anything about this? - FrancisTyers · 21:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for starting an article about cheese. I found the article because as a teacher in a DISD school with a cheese problem, I wanted to see what WP had on the topic. I've now added a noncopyrighted DEA picture and some additional citations and details that support the notability of cheese as distinct from heroin alone.Lawikitejana 00:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The citation after the "Hispanic..." isn't reliable enough to have the sentence as it is currently. It should be changed to something such as "Authorities believe Hispanic teenagers form the highest users of Cheese, but complete research on Cheese usage and ethnicity is still yet to be done." Or completely remove the sentence to keep neutrality and reliability.

Also, "A 16-year old at the academy stated that Thomas Jefferson High School is the "main school" for the Cheese trade [8]." is not a realiable source as to which school is the "main school" as no research has been done on the availability of Cheese in different schools; the students opinion isn't realiable enough to be kept on Wikipedia. [hearsay] FreakOut GiveIn 18:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

"And what if a media source, such as ABC News, repeats the student's claim? Are you saying that it is no more reliable, in this case? WhisperToMe 18:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)"

ABC is just reporting what the student said - in no way did they verify the student's statement. (At least that is how it appears.) Agree? I doubt they did any research on whether or not the student's comment was accurate.. what you think? FreakOut GiveIn 19:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Emailing the author is an OK idea, and it is the only way to surely know if ABC/Anna has done research on the student's comment (and the Hispanic comment). But, I would highly doubt any valid research was done, as it seems it would have required more effort than it seems to be worth to ABC/Anna. FreakOut GiveIn 21:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, good email IMO, should be somewhat useful. Hopefully there is a decent response with information and not just a "Yes".

Now, "Hispanic teenagers formed the group that usually consumed Cheese [4]."

Just because the Hispanic teens are being caught the most doesn't mean they are the ones usually consuming cheese. Maybe change it to what you suggested, "Most kids caught with Cheese are Hispanic teenagers" - fits the bill since the police department should know who is caught with Cheese, thus making that statement reliable. FreakOut GiveIn 21:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, the email didn't validate anything, so I just say leave that sentence out of the article; it isn't that important anyway overall. FreakOut GiveIn 03:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Southwood

How'd you know all that Southwood Middle information? Tamajared 23:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Saddam Hussein

We don't have to meet a quota for filling up space in long articles with images. If the photo is not of encyclopedic value to the particular section in which it is added, inserting any random propaganda shot of Saddam merely discourages editors from finding relevant and inserting photos, like the picture of him meeting Cuellar. 172 | Talk 05:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The Cullar image was removed in a fit of copyright paranoia, despite being a clear case of fair use... I'm a bit confused about your explanation of the relevance of the two propaganda images inserted in the section on the Gulf War. The images are propaganda shots created for Iraqi consumption to promote Saddam, not American consumption to villify Saddam. If the intent is to illustrate the reputation Saddam gained in the United States, something more directly related, such as a image featured frequently in American media (such as the times he was filmed meeting with U.S. captives) would be more appropriate. 172 | Talk 05:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I see your point; the images are interpreted in starkly different ways in different political cultural contexts. Still, I think it's a bit too abstract for the purposes of writing a basic encylopedic entry. I think we should re-upload the Cullar image, or find another more directly relevant image, for the section. 172 | Talk 05:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd prefer if they were not reinserted. The images would just serve to provoke an emotional response, while being of no informative value without clear contextualization. 172 | Talk 05:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Poe Elementary

oh, I did not notice the other article. Thanks Hmains 16:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


Fan Fiction nominated for an Article Improvement Drive

Since you've edited fan fiction, I figured you'd want to know that the article has been nominated for an Article Improvement Drive. :) Runa27 23:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Johnny Knight sockpuppets

Hi there, I posted this message on Jaranda's talkpage but (s?)he is on Wikileave right now; you were one of the admins who had posted anything on the current page, so I decided to leave this with you. A user calling himself Johnny Knight and many variations thereof has been creating sockpuppets, some which attack Jaranda. He has already posted taunting messages on Jaranda's talkpage, and is back with a fresh pile of socks. Here is a list I found on the new users log:

  • User:Wait a sec, JK needs to prove he is JK on WP:LTA, don't block
  • User:Johnny Knight Will Quit if he is removed from WP:LTA
  • User:Ya Rly, JK is 6 foot 7 and weighs 220 pounds
  • User:The Sound of Johnny Knight Leaves Admins Quaking in Their Boots
  • User:Johnny Knight is very Dangerous
  • User:Johnny Knight Slays Admins and Pokémon
  • User:JohnnyKnight'sManualSaysToKeepHimAwayFromAbortedFetuses
  • User:DEAD FETUS
  • User:ANENCEPHALIC DEAD FETUS
  • User:JARANDA HAS MICROENCEPHALY
  • User:JUST ANOTHER ANENCEPHALY.JPG VANDAL
  • User:I kill retarded and deformed fetuses
  • User:SPAM IS A PATENTED MIXTURE OF ABORTED FETUSES AND CRACK

It's ugly, but would you like to take care of this?

Cheers, — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • ER • 04:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply from Marhadiasa

Who is Tong Li?

HISD Admin bldg image

Hello, on the Houston, Texas article you replaced the Lamar HS image with one of the new HISD administration bldg. This is a good image, however it seems to be slightly out of focus. Would you have another image that is sharper and perhaps closer to the building? Thanks! Postoak 19:14, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, that will be great. Thank you. Postoak 19:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Megatokyo

You know, what's really going on is that you and I have totally different opinions, and that the official guidelines are going to be no help in figuring out what should really be done. I am not right, and neither are you--we need to discuss this on the merits of what would serve the article, not who's the best at following the rules. Express your viewpoint on the talk page, and maybe we and everyone else can reach a consensus on what to do. But don't just keep parroting the same thing about the style guide, because I understand you perfectly and just don't agree. Time for a different approach. (And not in my talk page.) --Masamage 17:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Megatokyo naming conventions

I do see the issue, yes, but I think the footnote is adequate to address it (especially when the alternate order is also written next to the Japanese spelling). Honestly, I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here, and I want to see the article featured. --L33tminion (talk) 20:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: MT

I already saw your comments in the MT talk page.

Quite frankly, I don't care to discuss proper usage of the phrase "your opinion." I don't know where you got the idea that you get to dictate my use of the language.

You're using an ambiguity in the rules to support your point. Using actual rules is a matter of right and wrong--using gaps in them is a matter of opinion.

Any more than that, I have no time or patience to have an argument of semantics. I don't want to talk to you about this or anything else, and I'll thank you to keep the dicussion in the Talk:Megatokyo page and completely on topic. --Masamage 23:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Another naming convention problem

ChaosSorcerer91 insists on moving the Yugi Mutou article to Yugi Muto because of how it's spelled in the anime. I tried explaining the whole manga naming thing, but he's not paying attention. We've already moved and removed the article about 3 times now. The Splendiferous Gegiford 18:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

All right, thanks. He's also trying to debate if Atem's English dub name is actually spelled "Atemu" with a silent "u", but Drake Clawfang and I have said to wait until it's spelled out in the manga. -The Splendiferous Gegiford 18:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hooray, more naming problems. -_- This time on the Yu-Gi-Oh! GX media and release information page. Just read the comments in the history page and tell me if that makes any sense to you. The Splendiferous Gegiford 17:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

M-DCPS Link

Hey, the link you just added to M-DCPS only works on internet explorer, apparently. Should we put a disclaimer on it, or just remove it completely? -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 22:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Shelley Sekula-Gibbs, Houston City Council member and candidate for Congress from Houston/Sugar Land

Please review the debate on this article for deletion and provide your opinion please: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shelley Sekula-Gibbs. Thank you. --Getaway 22:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for voting.--Getaway 17:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries

You know Wikipedia has that edit summary field for a reason, right? :) It'd be wonderful if you'd use it more often, especially considering how long you've been around here.--chris.lawson 03:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Comair Flight 191

No, Delta doesn't disagree -- Delta simply included that information to allay the general public's fear that any crash must be due to parts falling off the plane. In reality, very few (I can't cite a figure at the moment as my copy of the Nall Report is on the desk at work) aircraft accidents are due to maintenance issues, and until the NTSB decides that maintenance issues are relevant to this accident, I don't see why we should confuse the issue by saying what didn't cause it. Terrorism didn't cause it, either. Neither did a rabid badger attacking the flight crew. I don't see either of those possibilities mentioned in the article. ;) --chris.lawson 04:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Comair image

Can you supply anymore info to back up "He has agreed to license it under GNU specifically for Wikipedia" for Image:StuartN431CA.jpg? Perhaps a copy of the email on the talk page (with personal details removed)? Remember that a GNU licence allows other sites, not just Wikipedia to use the image as they please - is the photographer aware of this? Thanks/wangi 22:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi there - I emailed Stuart and explained the consequences of releasing the photo under GFDL. After reading them he decided not to release the photo under GFDL (I can fwd on the email if you want). I have speedy deleted the photo. Thanks/wangi 14:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I never asked, given that copyright-but-wikipedia-can-use is deprecated... Probably more worthwhile to drop a note to Hawaiian717, from the talk page:

":Definitely not either of those. Lufthansa is the wrong airline. The SkyWest/United Express image is not only the wrong airline, but not even the right aircraft type (at least a CRJ-200 is nearly identical to a -100, the -700 is notably bigger). Obviously, the best option would be a photo of N431CA, but I don't have any of those. I do have a photo of a different Comair CRJ-100ER, N941CA I could upload. Will do that tonight if nothing better is proposed by then. Oh, and new topics are supposed to go at the bottom. ;) -- Hawaiian717 21:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)"

Thanks/wangi 21:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

School of the Woods

I moved it to the article page proper (it had been on the talk page). Make sure the admins who delete potential copyvios know it's out there ... sometimes they really don't bother to look. And save the text in case it does get deleted sight unseen. Daniel Case 02:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh boy, One Piece time.

I really think it's time for the One Piece articles to be cleaned up the same way the Naruto articles have been. I've already made a request about it in theAnime and Manga WikiProject. I really think one of the main things that needs to be done first is a formal page move discussion similar to Naruto Uzumaki's for Roronoa Zoro to finally settle that dispute once and for all. Would you be willing to help in this? There's also this too. The Splendiferous Gegiford 05:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. There have been a few other manga naming preferences I've been trying to find too. Namely, "Gin" or "Ghin", "Loguetown" or "Roguetown", and what translation Viz used for the Seven Warlords of the Sea/Shichibukai/whatever. The Splendiferous Gegiford 22:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I started the move request/discussion. Are you gonna participate in it? The Splendiferous Gegiford 21:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
It's at Talk:Roronoa Zoro The Splendiferous Gegiford 22:59, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
It's really best if you participate in the discussion too, just so it'll seem like I've got more people on my side other than ones just posting in the Survey. The Splendiferous Gegiford 17:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Actualy, what you cited actualy states that it too, is a guideline. (Justyn 01:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC))

Like I said there, if it ment "use the Official english version no matter what", then that clause has no point in existance. It HAS to mean "fans determine the usage".
By the way, some of the name changes in the English versions go WAY before the dub - So I don't see in particular why people upset with the dub should be upset with them in particular. WhisperToMe 02:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I can tell you this; I am upset with ANY name changes, because they were not the names given by Oda. Changing names to fit in with linguistic limitations is one thing, but changing the name because they want to is completely different. (Justyn 03:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC))

Belli/Berries/Berri

Oda has written it as both "Berri" and "Belli" on the currency in the manga. "Belli" is one of the native official terms, and is used more (turns up more results, look at what I put in the talk page). Even Kaizoku-Fansubs uses Beli (with one "L"). (Justyn 02:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC))

Berries shows very few hits related to One Piece, and is not used by many fans at all. Whereas Belli and Berri show all results related to One Piece, and in fact, at least ten times as many. I'll add up the evidence:

Berries

  • Used by English publications.

Belli/Berri

  • Oda has actualy writen it out in English letters as both "Berri" and "Belli".
  • Both get more RELEVENT hits relating to One Piece, and "Belli" recieves more then "Berri".

(Justyn 03:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC))

Wikipedia's guidelines say that if the native official version is more used, use the original version. Your oppinion on what Wikipedia should use is different then what WIKIPEDIA says Wikipedia should use, and that means that you are wrong.
Using "Atemu" was Engrish. I agree with you there, but it's OFF TOPIC.
And even with all of the variations, we can be sure that Oda has never actualy actualy written it as "Berries" or "Berry". (Justyn 04:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC))
I forgot what MOS is. And I already SAID that the English publications use "Berries", but Oda never wrote it. (Justyn 04:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC))
Thanks (Justyn 04:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC))

Fish-Men/Fishmen

If you mean the "Shichibukai" thing, then it's because the page itself uses "Shichibukai", almost all of the One Piece pages use "Shichibukai", the guidelines on the matter say "Shichibukai" should be used.

If it's changing "Fish-men" to "Fishmen", it's because there is a suttle difference in the meanings.

And I think the hyphen looks a bit awkward here, mostly dealing with how in makes the word pronounced. (Justyn 01:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC))

First, check the history ([1]). I was not the one who ACTUALY moved the page, the page was officialy moved via the use of a requested move, by an admin. And if I jumped the gun a little, I'm sorry. But there was noone argueing against the move, heck, it even looks like you supported it. (Justyn 01:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC))
Who objected to it? It looked like you even supported the move, and Geg was neutral. Noone who posted actualy said that they objected to the move, the fact that you never posted in support of keeping the page was your choice. You had your chance to voice your oppinion, and you did not use it, you can bring up a move, but it will be shot down P.D.Q.. You need a stronger case then "The english version says:" and "My oppinion is:" to move the page. (Justyn 02:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC))
You never said that you opposed it before now, Geg didn't either. (Justyn 03:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC))
I suggest that you stop putting emoticons at the end of your posts, it makes you come off as arogent.
And there is a difference of changing your own work from one langauge to another, versus someone else changing the name just because they want to. And I admit, this is slightly more relevent then I first assumed, but still is not very relevent. This is becuase One Piece is also owned by Oda, who is the person who actualy MAKES the manga, whereas the Nintendo ones are owned entirely by Nintendo. (Justyn 20:56, 30 September 2006 (UTC))

TfD nomination of Template:Los Angeles USD

For the reasons that I stated at Template talk:Los Angeles USD, Template:Los Angeles USD has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. BlankVerse 20:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Dividing it by district still averages 130 schools, which I think is still way too large for a navigation template, and I also don't think would be any more useful than the larger template. This is a good example of where a list is much more useful. The list of LAUSD schools should be broken out into their own article, with the woefully inadequate LAUSD article expanded to reflect it's importance as the 2nd largest school district in the US, and to be able to properly cover some of the controversies over the school district. BlankVerse 21:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Bleach

Well, the first time I ever watched Bleach was the dub premiere last Saturday, so I don't know how much help I'd be in editing the articles. The Splendiferous Gegiford 21:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

RE Riki Takeuchi redirects

No problem on that. Thanks for just doing it. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:ANIME policy?

WP:ANIME's statements are derived from the two existing guidelines, Use English, which states "If a native spelling uses different letters than the most common English spelling (eg, Wien vs. Vienna), only use the native spelling as an article title if it is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form."

WP:MOS-JP reaffirms this principle, with its ". An English loan word or place name with a Japanese origin should be used in its most commonly used English form in the body of an article, even if it is pronounced or spelled differently from the properly romanized Japanese."

All the official policies give a caveat for more common usage. Zoro is at its proper location. --tjstrf 02:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the Going Merry name change, yes, I do have objections, for the same reason Zoro was not moved, and the same reason I'm supporting the move to "Shichibukai". Also, the reasoning given in my summary is in the discussion page. Lordshmeckie 02:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of what you feel is best for the "Average Joe", the policy is what it is, no matter what technicalities you want to use. The "Average Joe" will hardly be as confused as you seem to think they will, considering the "Average Joe" can easily see all the (referred to as ______ in the English adaptations), as well as the fact that their search will be redirected. Most casual One Piece fans not aware of the original version will probably already notice a glaring amount of changes beyond names, anyway (i.e. plot points and deaths), so the terms "Shichibukai" and what have you will be the least of their suprises.

Regardless of how you feel about the names and fanbase, the policy is what it is. Lordshmeckie 03:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Your arguments are grossly flawed, for a few reasons. One, your examples were terrible, as "Pokemon" is a FAR more used term by English speakers than "Pocket Monsters", while the altered One Piece terms are not. Going with that, Pocket Monsters was changed to Pokemon by the creator(s) of the franchise (Nintendo), while the One Piece changes were done by an outside source (Viz and 4Kids). Also, for whatever reason, you seem to believe this policy means that every Japanese name ever must be used over the English one. Paying attention to the argument of the other side reveals that this is a matter of a more commonly used name, and the other side has been able to produce a great deal of evidence that the original terms are, indeed, more used than the adaptations. In fact, one could argue that the majority of fans of the series use, and are more familiar with, the Japanese terms. This is factoring in dub only fans vs. sub fans, as well. Also, one could argue that the information is more accurate when using the the original names of people and places allocated by the author, and creator of said people and places. The reasoning is there in bulk. Why you seem so dedicated to this "cause", when its primary supporters are you and one other guy, is beyond me. Lordshmeckie 03:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

How do you know that all English-speakers generally prefer the fan base terms? That's very hard to prove. Google hits only show website put up by hardcore fans. And those websites came first, so they were listed first.

I can understand if "Zoro" is more well-known, because officially it did come first. But with the others... not really.

What you said was directly contradicted by the outcome of the Naruto naming order dispute. The editors chose to use the Western order, something seen in the dub TV show and the English-language spinoff novels, instead of the Japanese order used by the internet fan base. WhisperToMe 03:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Another flawed argument, as there is a MASSIVE difference between the arrangement of a given name and family name, and the complete alteration of a name or term. Name order is one thing, but when a name is completely changed, that's a whole different story. Also, I never said "all" speakers prefer it. Please read what I say. And, again, you try to write off proof backing the name changes as the acts of "hardcore fans" (most of which are not "hardcore" by any means, but simply preferring the original terms, or just unaware of 4Kids' changes in some cases), but again, the policy is what it is, no matter how much disdain you appear to have towards the series' fanbase. The Japanese terms are more popular and more used, so they qualify. Lordshmeckie 03:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

The underlying principle is the same. See, Naruto's naming order issue does not technically fall under the MOS because Naruto is a manga (and features fictional characters) and because Naruto is not set in modern-day Japan.

So, how did we come up with this decision to choose Western order? EASY! "We" chose that based on what "we" thought was more commonly used. Did the "Oh, the long time fans" excuse work here? Nope. Read the talk pages of the dispute, and you will know what I mean.

Wikipedia cannot have a double standard in place, Lordshmeckie. WhisperToMe 04:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

You seem to pick-and-choose what helps your points, ignoring what counters it. The underlying principle is not the same, actually, because, as I said, this is given-name-family-name vs. a complete name change, which is far more likely to confuse people, convolute matters, and simply cause information to be distored, in a sense. Also, the actions of some "we" don't concern me. I'm a man of facts, and the facts show that the Japanese names are more used in general, according to Google, than the English ones. There is no double standard; the One Piece sections are (barring any changes you or Geg make) following Wikipedia's naming policy, and that's that. As unhappy about it as you may be, the Japanese terms are more commonly used, and proof has already been given by others besides myself.

And, if I'm not mistaken, the Naruto section does use the actual translation of the "jutsu"s over the names given in the English adaptations, so using the Naruto section to further your argument doesn't help. Lordshmeckie 04:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

You seem to believe that because you've edited information on Wikipedia longer than other seemingly makes you right. I certainly hope I'm misunderstanding you, because that kind of viewpoint is elitist, and downright laughable. In any case, I'll state it again, for the hundredth time; the policy says to use the most commonly used version of a name, official English or otherwise. I tha snothing to do with picking everything Japanese; for example, Mr. 2 Bon Clay is used over Mr. 2 Bon Kurei, even though the latter is his official romanization. Why? Because Bon Clay is the more familiar, and commonly used, name. And if you're so in touch with Wikipedia's audience, and the average joe, or whatever else you claim, than I certainly look forward to you going over EVERY anime series section, and changing everything in them to match all English adaptations.

How would I do it? The way it's done now (save the changes made by you and the more "enlightened" veterens, or whatever you're trying to sell me). Most commonly accepted romanizations used, regardless of what Viz or 4Kids or anyone else uses. If there's a dispute, prove which one is either most used, or in extenuating circumstances, more accurate (in case of a mistranslation or what have you). It doesn't matter what you choose to acknowledge, or what loopholes you ro anyone else may try to use, or whatever internet seniority you may have, the policy states what it states, and if it can be proven that one term is used and/or recognzied far more than the other (i.e. search engines, etc.) than the more recognized name should be used.

Frankly, as I've said before, your "crusade" to change everything to suit English adaptation alterations is quite baffling. There really was no problems before; most familiar names used, with other names for clarification (i.e. the mention that Zoro is called Zolo in the English adaptations, or that Oda ramanized Bon Clay's name as Bon Kurei). The only way I could see it getting absurd is if Japanese terminology got out of hand, and began to clutter up the pages (i.e. One Piece fans integrating "nakama" into the articles), but attack and character names hardly constitute this. Lordshmeckie 07:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

United ISD

Well several UISD elementary and middle schools reside in the inner portion of town, so it's up to the City of Laredo Aerial Department to verify this information. I'll request information and have it finalized.

Edit: [2] The image shown above shows the areas that each district serves for the city. It might be probably true that UISD serves outer portions... but let's just say that in the end it serves all of Laredo and Webb County ;)

By the way, I do live in Laredo.

Silver Spring

OK, thanks for the explanation. Bolivian Unicyclist 11:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I've contacted you about this before, but I just wanted to say that I'm sorry for blanking your template earlier (and the comment that went along with the school edits). I wasn't very sure of the standard Wiki procedure because I really only edit my school's Wiki (Los Angeles Center for Enriched Studies), and later could not find how to suggest a template for deletion (and I figured that you could always just get the template back anyways from a previous edit). I think I was just a bit annoyed because most of the time the template was bigger than the school's Wiki entry, and yet wasn't all-inclusive, and was from someone outside LAUSD (although in reality that shouldn't matter at all, especially not on Wikipedia). But that gave me absolutely no right to blank your template, so I just wanted to tell you that I'm sorry for that. Thank you for being pretty well tempered with me on this. ^_^ Take care.

(And I was looking for a way in which to contact you more privately, but this was what I found, so if there is a better way, please tell me ^_^;)


Houston Portal

Yeah i caught that-- i took off my tag.--Twintone 23:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey there, I added some content to the portal. Hope this is OK. Thanks Postoak 08:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


WhisperToMe, I'm trying to get the Houston flag "Us-tx-hu.png" as the image associated with the Houston portal link. I couldn't get it to work. Any ideas? Thanks Postoak 01:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I've noticed

It's all because they changed the wording on one of the rules on WP:ANIME. But basically, I've gotten tired of dealing with One Piece fanboys who worship a manga-ka as their One True God. The Splendiferous Gegiford 03:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Now some of them have decided to go around and change "belli" to "belly". Honestly, I don't understand these kids. The Splendiferous Gegiford 15:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

KISD controversey

It is a notable controversy the student body is angry at the suppression of information. The image proeved the districts policy. Andman8 17:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

this along with 500,000 other articles no not have sources, but unsourced statement do not mean they are false. Andman8 21:16, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Shueisha

Don't talk on my page ever again. There was no need to tell me about any errors; just fix the article in question and we're cool. Thanks. 68.189.82.81 00:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

One Piece Talk

Let me finish my opinions with a signature before you add yours.

And yes the fruits are called Devil fruits in the manga. However, not all of the fruits 4kids uses are called Devil Fruits. It's only a presumption that they will all be called Devil fruits. The proof is the Smoke Smoke Fruit, its Plume Plume fruit in the manga. While its not sure if Viz will use other names, its not sure either if they will use all 4kids names.CalicoD.Sparrow 01:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Dallas and Plano Templates

Sorry about that. Thanks for fixing it. --Longhornsg 03:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Innocent Children

Just because the media has reported personal information about innocent children doesn't mean that it is right and that it needs to be repeated on wikipedia. Wikipedia has many more visitors than any newspapers web-site. I would really appreciate it if you do not add their personal information again and I am sure that I am not the only person that feels this way. Others have removed other personal information about his family. If someone in your family had done something like this would you like your place of work or residence published on the internet? I think not. Dincher 23:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Besides the human aspect of this article and the obvious emotions that arise from it, I think we should think about the "encyclopedia" aspects of this situation. I don't think that the information about where Roberts children go to school is relevant in the context of important facts about this situation. Maybe this detail is important for the short term, but twenty or thirty years from now when this story is revisited will it be relevant then? Will somebody really care to know the name of his children's Elementary School? No. They will just want to know who Roberts was, what he did, and why he did it. Dincher 04:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Macronisation

Kyushu and Kyūshū are the same word, although probably only the unmacronised version appears in the dictionary, as you pointed out. The issue is whether or not to use the macronised version on Wikipedia. The WP:MOS-JP indicates that for very common Japanese words, the unmacronised version should be used (eg. Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto) but for less common words, the macronised version should be used to aide pronunciation (eg. Tesshō Genda, Ōita Prefecture). Note that you will also find Oita in the MW dictionary. The survey over at the MOS page is more about where to draw the line between common and non-common. Bobo12345 05:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Yu Yu Hakusho

You posted something on my talk page about YYH quite a while ago, and I just got it. (Sorry.) But I'm confused about what you meant. Could you elaborate? Plus±Minus 17:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Ridership Data for Houston

Consult List of United States light rails sytems by ridership and its references for data that Houston's METRORail is the eleventh most ridden US system.

Mr. Hands

We're not censored in general, but this is content that's illegal in many jurisdictions, probably including Florida. We wouldn't link to images of child pornography, because it's illegal, and bestiality porn is also illegal. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 03:25, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Names

Actually, yes. Referring you back to your Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_for_Japan-related_articles, I quote:

Macron usage in the name of a modern figure should adhere to the following, in order of preference:

      1. Use the official trade name if available in English/Latin alphabet;
      2. Use the form found in a dictionary entry from a generally-accepted English dictionary;
      3. Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world;
      4. Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in any other popular Latin-alphabet-using language (French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, German, and Dutch, or variations); or
      5. If none of the above is available, use the macronned form.
  • 1. The offical name is recorded in a koseki and does not have a Latin spelling.
  • 2. The name does not appear in any of my many English dictionaries.
  • 3. There are multiple forms used by the English-speaking world.
  • 4. No idea about other languages, but en-US and en-JP accept the macron (as well as the non-macron) version.
  • 5. Last option, use macrons.

By the way, the example Jun'ichirō Koizumi fails their guide. From #1 you get the macron version. I can not think of a single example where option 5 would not be chosen.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bendono (talk • contribs)

In step #3, it's "Junichiro Koizumi" in English. Therefore, it stops at step #3, and step #5 doesn't matter.--Endroit 08:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
It does not stop at step 3. In public and in English, _both_ forms are used so a decision can not be made. Therefore you next go to step 4. Again, both are used. So, you go to 5. I can not think of a single example of a Japanese name that would not eventually make it's way to step 5. Bendono 08:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The Japanese prime minister's office does NOT use macrons, neither form Shinzo Abe nor for Junichiro Koizumi. This is the official spelling. If you want to introduce an alternate spelling, cite your source, please. If the official spelling is generally accepted in English, it DOES stop at step #3. Otherwise, it's the Japanese prime minister's office vs. Bendono. Go figure.--Endroit 08:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The usage of the prime minister's office does not make it official. The only official name is written in Abe's koseki, which does not include a romanized spelling. His passport should include a romanized spelling. However, Japanese passports are not issued with diacritics. The person must ignore the length difference or may use an 'h'. I have two friends named Ōta. One went with Ohta, while the other went with Ota. Personal spellings are still not official. Both people are technically Ōta. It seems that living people typically do not want diacritics in their name, something that I can understand.
What is your criteria to determine "if the official spelling is generally accept in English"? I do not accept the spelling Shinzo or Junichiro. And I read texts that appropriately use the macron (as well as texts that do not). Bendono 08:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm still waiting for your citation of some sources. Prove to everyone that the macroned spelling is in widespread use by providing a link to some prominent websites. See WP:V on how it's done. Otherwise, your arguments are quite meaningless in Wikipedia.--Endroit 09:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I am still waiting to your criteria to determine the generally accepted English. I never said "widespread use". In fact, I think it would be strange if it was in widespread use. People generally do not want to type extra diacritics. And I know some publishers have a no diacritic policy. I do not think it will ever be in widespread use. It is interesting how you pass the burden of proof to me. On my way home I can try to take some pictures of train station signs which include macrons. For current events such as Shinzō Abe, I read the newspaper in Japanese, so that will not help. I'll see what I can do, though. I should have some books that write Tōkyō as well. When I worked as a J-E translator, I recall a book called SWET Style Guide. I do not have it with me so I can not quote anything, but it contains a section on macrons. Basically, you should use macrons when possible. Bendono 09:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Looks like "Shinzo Abe" is generally accepted without the macrons, to me....
So where'd you find the macron in any of the Japanese prime ministers' names?--Endroit 10:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Do you know the editorial policy for those newspapers? I suspect that many have a no-macron policy.
A quick Google search immediately shows examples of "Shinzō Abe":
How about location names? They are much easier to find. I picked up the official map for the Tōkyū lines. There are plenty of examples with macrons illustrating the same issues. I do not have a scanner, but I can try to take a good picture if desired. I can also provide pictures from a few books. I not want to waste my time, so please let me know if you want to see these. Bendono 12:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The trend is NOT to use macrons in English, hence step 3 says don't use macrons. If you disagree, you should do a poll.--Endroit 15:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
That is a prescriptive argument. You have already made up your mind. In which case, why not remove every macron from all articles about Japan? At least be consistent. Bendono 15:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Obviously we disagree here, because I believe you are totally ignoring step #3 of the WP:MOS-JA process mentioned above. It's your word against mine here. Read up on WP:DR, which is official Wikipedia policy, and see what your options are in this case.--Endroit 15:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I have read both links several times now. Let me quote, yet again, step #3
  • "Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world;"
As both of our above links show, publicly, both forms are used. Also, all links were written in English. You counter that by saying "The trend is NOT to use macrons". That is not what step #3 says though. Assuming for the momenet that is the trend, it is a prescriptive one, not descriptive. That means that the issue has been decided upon by whatever grounds and no new information or arguments will be heard.
As for resolving the issue, it may need mediation in the end. The issue is far too important to me to give up on. I have voiced my opinions on the MoS talk page. Bendono 16:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Shiroiwa Junior High School

Because it serves as valid redirect? Creating redirects isn't something that AfD needs to be muddled with. Interrobamf 04:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

No. You put articles on AfD if you want them deleted. Hence the name. "Consider making the page a useful redirect or proposing it be merged rather than deleted. Neither of these actions requires an AfD." Interrobamf 12:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Your user page

Hi. I came across this on your user page:

<Demi> Just as the Eskimos have 49 words for snow, the Japanese have 120 terms for old people stabbing each other over minor slights.

Note: See http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20060616p2a00m0na012000c.html

[02:13] <ViciousGuy> Do any of you know of someone who was in a 7-11 when it was robbed? [02:14] <deepshuck> or a 9-11 when it was WTCed

I think it is unencyclopedic, does not contribute to our purpose in this project, and may give offence to people. Would you care to remove it please? The link seems to be dead too. Thanks in advance. --Guinnog 05:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you review Wikipedia:User page; the content I highlighted is in breach of policy. I was being polite in asking you to remove it yourself rather than just taking it down for you.
To quote Jimmy Wales, "libelling people on userpages is a bad idea, and in fact, using userpages to attack people or campaign for or against anything or anyone is a bad idea".
Other relevant parts:
"If the community lets you know that they would rather you deleted some or other content from your user space, you should probably do so, at least for now - such content is only permitted with the consent of the community."
"If you do not cooperate, we will eventually simply remove inappropriate content, either by editing the page (if only part of it is inappropriate)..."
9/11 is a sensitive issue as I am sure you will understand, and the joke about it will cause offence to many people. The joke about Japanese people killing each other is also clearly inappropriate in my view.
Please take it down. Thanks. --Guinnog 05:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it's "just a quote collection from IRC". That's why it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Please take it down. --Guinnog 05:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining where it came from. I am less clear about why it belongs on an encyclopedia editor's user page. What purpose does it serve in terms of the project? --Guinnog 05:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Guinnog asked me to look at the userpage quote and I would prefer if you take it down. I can't see what purpose it serves. Thanks.--MONGO 06:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Guinnog and Mongo, please remove those quotes from your userpage. They are not contributing to the encyclopedia or the construction of it, and I can easily see why some would take offense. As a New Yorker myself I think the WTC "joke" is not funny and in bad taste. Thanks, Gwernol 22:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for removing it. --Guinnog 23:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
User pages are not about taste, Gwernol. For every New Yorker like yourself who finds it tasteless (let's assume that is at all relevant), you can find another like myself who doesn't mind it. I'd also point out to Guinnog that you shouldn't misrepresent Wikipedia:User page as policy when it is only a guideline, and that that Wales quote is irrelevant here. --Gwern (contribs) 03:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Where are there fansubs on arlongpark? There are offsite links there to untranslated chapters. There's no material being hosted that is significantly more copyright-restricted than on other linked fan sites. Please enlighten.

Re: Kinkaid School vandalism

Re your message: Why am I not surprised? With school back in session, all the high school vandals are showing up. Apparently, nobody from Kinkaid edits Wikipedia because St. John's didn't get much of the attack vandalism like Kinkaid did. Looks like everything has settled down (that semi-protect helped, I'm sure). -- Gogo Dodo 02:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

User talk:68.189.255.6

This user wants you to take a look at his block. Mangojuicetalk 13:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

If you want to implement it, go ahead, but I think you should insist on him registering a username. But it was clear to me it was the same guy, waiting for his 3 days to be up so he could vandalize some more: I had figured your >= 3 days suggestion was to make sure the IP changed over to someone else before we unblocked. Mangojuicetalk 12:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Takuma Aoi

I've created an article for Takuma Aoi (BRII). Go check it out, and fill the sections! ;) I'll provide more screenshots in the meanwhile. --Henrickson 01:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


Episcopal High School

Thanks for pointing that out. Definitely feel free to re-add it. There was just so much vandalism to revert, that I reverted back pretty far. I probably just didn't notice that some legit content had been added in the middle of all of that vandalism. Thanks for being on top of that. Mwelch 23:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Mewtwo4

Can you help me and Drake on this case because he keeps taking out the card lists in Taken by Storm, Part 1. Glenn Browne 22:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Kinkaid School

Disappointing that it got interest again so soon after unprotection. It's history prior to protection suggests it is normally no more exciting than any other school article. Maybe someone was watching, or maybe we just got unlucky today. If you reckon the vandalism is beyond what can readily be handled, then I guess protecting it will have to be done. It's still worth seeing if/for how long it can be unprotected though. A locked-down article doesn't say much for the wiki concept to the school kids/staff who might come across it. -Splash - tk 23:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Ick, it's been very busy by the looks of it. Some silly inter-school slanging match, I guess. Interesting to see what your email turns up... -Splash - tk 19:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding "Liberty"

Realistically, he needs a "time out." Seriously, why does one need to get so worked up over a bloody article? I can understand if he is upset over a possible bias or what have you, but there is no need to go after an editor if they revert their changes if the edits are in violation of WP policy. If he is so familiar with WP, he'd understand that I only did one revert to his changes, and any subsequent changes besides what has been made in my own user page and talk page have been made by others.

Do I feel that he should be unblocked? Not right now, no. Can he be allowed to return? Why not? If he contributes in a manner constructive and in accordance to WP policies, then by all means. :: Colin Keigher 04:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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Houston portal

Please visit Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates if you have the time. You do know that you got me hooked on this thing..lol. I nominated Portal:Houston and would appreciate your feedback. Thank you, Postoak 04:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Your message

Dear WhisperToMe, I found your message in my talk page. Sorry, I didnt understand, what you mean with MOTL? Please explain it. Regards. Mustafa AkalpTC 11:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

204.108.250.222

It's true, but as a graduate of said high school, I've personally verified that that's the IP for pretty much every computer that students have access to. --Goobergunch|? 06:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Houston Project

I noted the Houston portal indicates that one of the things on it's "to do" list is to establish a Houston WikiProject. Have you considered listing a proposed project at Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects? Also, I think there is an automatic "basic" project generator at User:Aguerriero/Proposal you could use to get a provisional project page going. I wouldn't be able to really contribute much, knowing nothing about either Texas or Houston, but I do believe it would be a good idea. Good luck in any event. :) Badbilltucker 16:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Keiko Onuki/Inoue

I have looked through the Manga to see if the name “Inoue” is used. I can not see it anywhere in the dialogue. It might be mentioned somewhere in the artwork though. Really though if you want my opinion, the name Keiko Inoue should just be ignored, Onuki is specified in the novel and unless a character has been specifically changed and had a personality change (such as Sakamochi and Kamon) we should just stick to the novel. Compared to Keiko’s actions and effect on Kawada, whether the manga changed her name a little or not is trivial. But that's just my opinion and not the point. The point is I myself have not seen that name mentioned. Urrgh5591 18:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

In answer to your last question, No I did not read the Japanese version. I can not read Japanese. But basically all I was saying was I just went through it because I could not rember it being specified and I could not find it. I just thought you should know. Urrgh5591 10:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok in that case it probably is, leave it, I just did not see it. Urrgh5591 17:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Haverford Middle School

(Copied from my talk page for your convenience. -S.)

1. The middle school shared a campus with the high school when it began in the 1930s.. then the high school got its own campus in the 1950s.

2. Now that the school district article exists, there are two options for HMS - Either keep it as is, or redirect to the district article. WhisperToMe 05:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I read the school district history... what troubles me is the lack of reliable outside sources, which are necessary in order to expand the article beyond basic name/location/demographics. I'm not sure whether a merge would help there, but I'll admit I hadn't thought to research the district itself, so you may be on to something. Unfortunately, I won't have access to Lexis-Nexis for a little while, but I'll make a note to see whether I can find anything online. Thanks. Shimeru 05:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Incidentally, I've seen some of your changes to the other middle school articles, and I must say I'm impressed. You do quite a good job of expanding the articles, considering the only real information available is from the schools themselves. My philosophy regarding what makes for a suitable encyclopedia article may not match yours, but I respect your work. Shimeru 05:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear WhisperToMe,

I'm looking for experts on Wikipedia to contribute to the Virtual classroom, for the benefit of others who visit the page to learn. It's a place where Wikipedians can share experience and learn from each others' example. We will be covering many subjects, and currently we are comparing the user interfaces we each use to work on and navigate Wikipedia. Interiot has been kind enough to help get things started by describing some tools and techniques he uses, and I hope you will too.  The Transhumanist   05:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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WikiProject Houston

Wikipedia:WikiProject Houston has been established to encourage collaboration between the editors of the Houston, Texas article and related articles. Please stop by and become a participant! Thank you, Postoak 05:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

..and thanks for becoming a participant. You are an incredible resource and asset for the project. Heck, you're an administrator! My initial ideas are to gather ideas concerning project scope, establishing consensus, project guidelines, etc. from the participants. Should I wait to get more members before establishing guidelines? What are your opinions or ideas? Thanks Postoak 21:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
You are invited to visit Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Houston to participate in Project discussion - Guidelines (November 11, 2006). Thank you, Postoak 22:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Peer review is in progess for Houston, Texas at Wikipedia:Peer review/Houston, Texas/archive1. Please participate with the article improvement suggestions that will soon follow. Thanks, Postoak 00:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see proposal December 27, 2006/Featured article nomination at Wikipedia:WikiProject Houston/Administration. Thank you, Postoak 20:40, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Hello my name is al

I liked your first idea better! [7] [8] [9] [10] - those are the ones he didnt revert  Glen  03:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hercule/Mr. Satan.

Isn't there already a discussion on the move on it's talk page? I just assumed it was on WP:RM (now looking at it, there's a 50/50 split on where it should be). By the way, it'd be best to merge the histories of the two talk pages so if it is moved in the future, it'd be easier to move the talk pages. Will (message ♪) 20:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I've created a new move request that'll hopefully solve the deadlock. Will (message ♪) 20:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Of course, just so long as it's both sides of the argument (we don't to be accused of Wikipedia:votestacking|]], do we?) Will (message ♪) 20:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be moved to Mister Satan not "Mister Satan (Dragon Ball)?" Better yet, it's the only Mister Satan on Wikipedia and that's why it should be moved to a single title, like the titles Doctor Gero and Doctor Myū, right? // Power level (Dragon Ball) 14:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Please do not vandalise.

You vandalized Garland Independent School District. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.123.129 (talk • contribs) 24.208.123.129

Image:MetroRailInside.jpg

I assume you took this photo - please clarify by tagging it {{GFDL-self}} or otherwise noting the source. Thanks! -SCEhardT 04:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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I've set up a Virtual classroom for Wikipedians to learn, teach, and share advanced wiki-skills. Right now the participants are comparing user interfaces (the tools we use to navigate and work on Wikipedia, including programs, extensions, scripts, settings, etc.). I'm seeking out experienced Wikipedians to share the methods they use to work on Wikipedia, so that others may benefit. I hope you will stop by to share and compare. Interiot, Rich Farmbrough, and CBDunkerson have been kind enough to help get things started by describing the interfaces they use. User:Interiot has even completed a new Firefox extension to make navigating Wikipedia easier. It is available in the announcements section on the Virtual classroom page. Hope to see you there.  The Transhumanist   11:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Facade

What is with the minor variant spelling? The preferred variant does not have the special character. I have reverted this change previously on another page. TonyTheTiger 23:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

According to [11], the main entry has a c.

Mr. Satan

Thanks for the note. I'm going to abstain from this vote, but I think your opinion may win out anyway. You might want to check out WP:SPAM's section on "Votestacking" though to make sure your messages don't violate that. To be honest, I'm pretty tired of editing the Dragon Ball articles. You can't keep them decent for very long or the fanboys will eat your soul. But, thanks to the magic of Wiki, there's always someone around with a broom and a clue stick. JRP 03:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

LEAs

do you mean the councils? sure. I would suggest linking them like

  • Barnet London Borough Council

so to keep the bluelinks as well

Morwen - Talk 12:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Jin Wicked

Hi there. I've just been going around deleting some old revisions you made to various articles, linking to a cache of a removed site which gave personal information about Jin Wicked. We got a complaint about this, and as the usability of the source is somewhat in doubt, I've pulled it. The information isn't very reliably sourced, and isn't corroborated by the subject; I think we'd be best served leaving it out. Just thought I'd better let you know in case you were going to wonder where it had vanished to... Shimgray | talk | 21:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Hikaru Kawamura

Clearly it shouldn't have been redirected. Sorry, I overlooked that. --Squilibob 00:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Film stubs

Hi - I see that you've been adding a number of stubs for films. I've added the {{film-stub}} tag to them; you may want to include this on your stub articles about films in the future. Perel 07:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Episcopal High School

Dear WhisperToMe,

I appreciate the discussion regarding the EHS entry. I do not agree with all of your points. The point regarding Napster is just not true (remember I was there and am still there). Napster as a file-sharing entity was long-gone by the time the Packeteer was added to the network. The actual cause was online gaming of the Halo sort. I still don't see why that should merit mention, particularly in the History section of the entry. Also, I still contend that, while we do have school uniforms, it is not such a large part of who and what EHS is that it merits an entire sub-entry.

And I am unclear as to what authority you have to say what must be included in the EHS entry. Sounds like a bit of hubris to me.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Turkeyday from Tennis Dynamite!
Happy Turkeyday from Tennis Dynamite!
Enjoy the meal! Tennis DyNamiTe (sign in) 17:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Cordova High school

no, because all the neighborhoods surrounding CHS including berryhill and country wood are Memphis city for sure. And Cordova is for sure a Memphis city school after the class of 2004 graduated. if its still listed under shelby county then, they havent updated their information yet. All of the surrounding areas have the Memphis City marked trash bins, which only go to residents of the city. I'm rather confident of this, but I can e-mail/call someone official and see if i can find out. Barcode 14:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, here's one for you

You're so quick to site guidelines and make reverts, so you should remember WP:NOT#DEMOCRACY and WP:NOT#BUREAUCRACY. You're also quick to point to the straw poll, so you may want to remember that A straw poll is not a binding vote, or a way to beat dissenters over the head with the will of the majority. Even if a large number of people vote for one option but some don't, this doesn't mean that that's the "outcome". It means some people are disagreeing, and that has to be addressed.

And considering that your side lost the danged poll anyway, you really should stop trumpeting that "consensus has been reached" and acting like you have higher authority than any other editor. Are you familiar with WP:OWN? Particularly appropriate to this issue: Article changes by different editors are reverted by the same editor for an extended period of time to protect a certain version, stable or not.

The discussion has been mainly in favor of the move. The vote was in favor. You can claim it wasn't conclusive, but it was certainly the minority on the Hercule end. The majority of points brought up in favor of Mr. Satan have been met with your insistence that "this is English Wikipedia" or that "consensus has been reached," or recently that "you have a life" and can't be bothered to address the discussion at hand properly. Onikage725 23:28, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Again you go back to the request/straw poll. Yet A- Hercule was in the minority and B- Straw polls are not "a binding vote." It is also made clear that the preferred method of resolution is discussion. The majority of editors who have participated in the various discussions have supported or voted for Mr. Satan. You're waging a one-person war for ownership of the article and have failed to achieve consensus in your favor, yet you accuse others of WP:MOS violations? Onikage725 23:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Re. Clear decision

Thanks. Apparently I was driven to Talk:Mr. Satan (Dragon Ball) as that was the article whose protection was requested. My bad. :-) Regards.--Húsönd 01:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Guitarhamster

Sounds good. I hope you are right and I am wrong on this one. Best, Kukini 05:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

An award

For keeping a cool head during the Hercule move discussions--SUIT
For keeping a cool head during the Hercule move discussions--SUIT

Here's a cucumber for ya.--SUIT 06:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Klein Collins High School

Thanks for the heads-up about this new article! Good work! --IslandGyrl 19:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh! GX minor characters

Sorry 'bout having to put this here, but I accidentally pressed the 'enter' key too early while editing the page. I chose "Tails" as the translation, as it is more accurate; my initial translation of "Reverse-Side" is far too literal, so I opted for the more appropriate translation (since Ryo's dialogue revealed that Cyber End Dragon was the "heads" of a coin, so was this deck the "tails," thus it makes more sense (this is also Horoko's translation from waaay back; I must have not been thinking at the time it was first added). "Marty" is likely what their going for as opposed to "Maruchi" (or whatever the spelling was you changed it to); Martin's first name is already rendered in katakana, and the "-chi" mimics the "-ty" in "Marty." You also switched Martin's pic with Pharaoh's (which I assume was just an error since you probably were reverting to the earlier edit I made where I accidentally put Pharaoh's pic there). And just for the sake of knowing, I did check out Ayukawa's debut ep. last night, and Horoko's take is correct. Ciao. Edit: Oh right, I forgot about Karen too - I think for now, even though it's a bit redundant, her profile should be just that tiny bit longer so the gap between the year sections isn't too big. Edit 2: I'm going to add a little discussion space to my talk page just so we can discuss translation issues (such as the one that came up with Ayukawa) in the future; it will make it easier for us to collaborate on related topics. --Benten 02:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


Re:Keiko.jpg

Sorry about that i'll try to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Crime in Houston

I rewrote and added more to what you have added. Hope you are okay with that. —RJN 02:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppets

I understand the need to watch for sockpuppets. I just think that since Wikipedia is built on the foundation that anyone can edit, we should be careful about declaring if someone is good enough to be considered a "Wikipedian." If there's legit proof or at least enough suspicion to suspect a sockpuppet, then sure. Err on the side of caution. I can see the anon IP address falling into that category, I suppose, though I think if the same IP address isn't voting multiple times (or the same as one used by a registered user who voted) it could still safely count as one vote. I don't think that "not over 100 edits" automatically = sockpuppetry. Could just mean their favored articles are in good condition, or even that they're busy in r/l. That's all I meant about that. Onikage725

Question

Hello..there is an article being considered for deletion that is part of WikiProject Houston. I've slightly updated the article and fixed a few issues. Is it against the "wiki law" to ask project members to vote against the article deletion? Considering the reason for deletion, I've compared this article with similar articles and have found that it is more complete and notable than other similar articles. It's also a new article (appox 40 days?), shouldn't new articles be given a chance for other editors to enhance and modify? or am I getting too involved with this stuff and should forget about it?? lol Postoak 21:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Willowbrook Mall (Houston, Texas), Thanks Postoak 21:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: You are NOT using reliable sources

I'm sorry, I have no idea to what article you are referring. Little help? Powers T 03:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

'Twasn't me, friend. Powers T 04:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
The edit I made to restore the link to Xavier's own web site as a source for his own statements is, I maintain, perfectly OK, per Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published and dubious sources in articles about themselves. It is a simple statement of fact—that Xavier has written the attributed text—and the proof of that is a link to the very location in which he wrote it. The passage is directly addressing his goals in founding and leading PeeJ, and there is no reasonable doubt as to who wrote it. I agree with you on the other edit, for the record; the provided sources are not reliable because they don't come from Xavier himself. Powers T 15:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Joey Daioh

Thanks for the welcome. I'm just trying to edit a few pages and give as much information as possible. Thanks for editing the Lanier Page after my error. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joey Daioh (talk • contribs) 03:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

Poll: "Ryūkyū" instead of "Ryukyu"

Hello, WhisperToMe. I noticed that you've previously voted in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)/Prefectures and macrons. A similar poll on macrons is taking place until Dec. 13 at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)#Poll: "Ryūkyū" instead of "Ryukyu". The voting seems to be deadlocked, with many outside voters rather than frequent contributors to the WP:JP project like yourself. It would really help if you can either comment or vote there, although I'll understand if you would prefer to stay out of the controversy. Thank you for your consideration.

(For full details and background information, see Ryukyu vs. Ryūkyū (in the WP:MOS-JA talk page) and Talk:Ryukyu Islands.)--Endroit 18:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Image request for Houston

When you have time and resources, can you provide a picture of Chinatown or Little Saigon for the Houston article under "Demographics". Thanks! —RJN 12:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Satan

In the interests of world peace, I think I'm going to change my vote on this whole Mr. Satan issue to abstain. The better policy right now seems to be to work with the WP:Anime people to strengthen their guidelines to match WP:NAME. Frankly, as all current in-print DVDs use Mr. Satan, I'm sure it will be more common before long. I'd rather work towards building consensus on the romanization vs common name debate, which is much more important. I wanted to let you know since you are another supporter of "Hercule". At this point, I want to get Burdock moved back to Bardock, which seems a much more clear cut case. (And shouldn't have happened anyway, it was an admin erorr to move the page in the first place without consensus.) Frankly, having the Mr. Satan debate around clouds the more important picture. If any of this can be called important. JRP 19:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I just verified last night and was very surprised. The CN version used Hercule, but the English-language track of the same episode on the DVD uses Mr. Satan. I hadn't noticed because I only watch my anime subbed. Since DBZ on CN has been off the air for quite a bit, I suspect at some point the only exposure any new fans will get will be off the DVDs with "Mr. Satan" as the name. Just enough of a push for me to not push as hard. It *should* still be Hercule, but at some point that may no longer be true. JRP 21:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Law of Ueki pictures

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Law_of_Ueki&diff=95008754&oldid=94999241

And why did you do that? It's okay to display fair use pictures if there are no other alternatives. WhisperToMe 06:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I removed the galleries. I meant to replace them with regular tags, the gallery code was making the article look poor. Thank you for fixing the images, i was forced off the computer before i could fix them. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 20:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

A friendly suggestion

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thanks, and happy editing.

Xiner 21:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I was the same way until about a week ago. It really helps your fellow editors though. And if you'd like to track your stats...see mathbot. Cheers. Xiner 23:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Lee Bailong image

Thanks for the message. I did delete the image since it met the criteria for speedy deletion. However, I've checked, and it wasn't be who flagged it as missing copyright details, so it wasn't me who failed to give notification when tagging. Regards, CLW 18:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

PS - I note that this was deleted almost a year ago. Why now? CLW 18:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Bergis

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Mr. Bergis, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:Mr. Bergis. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria.

I understand the premise of the article and don't object to its inclusion. I just believe that the article could be written in such a way as to provide the impact without listing a transcript of his profane responses, since all the links are already there. Please let me know if I've simply missed the point. Of course, you have the option of removing the template at any time.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

Lmcelhiney 01:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Response to Shonen Jump related questions.

1. Are you sure that seinen and shojo titles are not published under Jump Comics?

Yes, I'm sure. Seinen manga are published under "Young Jump Comics" (or "Jump Comics Deluxe" if they appear in Super Jump), while shojo manga are published under either "Ribon Mascot Comics", or "Margaret Comics", depending on the magazine(s) the appear in (if a shojo manga appears in "Cookie" then it's published under "Ribon Mascot Comics: Cookie").

2. Why did you link Yu-Gi-Oh! R and Yu-Gi-Oh! GX to Yu-Gi-Oh! They are separate series!

I don't see how I was linking them. I didn't so anything. I was going to remove R and GX thinking that they were published under the V Jump comics imprint (they're both serialized in V Jump), but then I checked Shueisha's search engine (http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/search1.html; Japanese) again, and saw that the graphic novels were published under the Jump Comics imprint, so I re-added them, but forgot their original positions. Other than that, I don't see how I was "linking them". Anyhow, they aren't entirely separate. R is an alternate sequel to the Marik arc, while GX takes place many years after the ending of the original manga.

In any case, I'm not making this up. Shueisha does have other GN imprints besides Jump Comics.

Brittany Ka 23:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Response to Reversion of my edits

I really do not give a shit if you revert the edits and keep watching the page. I will not get into an edit war with you. The school district is irrelevent. By your logic and extension, you would have to do that for every building that has residents.

Instead of what you are doing, how about an article of the neighborhood and adding the school district. Or the district could get a page of its own, and buildings within it linked to. But, whatever makes you feel like a big man buddy. Wikipedia is your chance to shine. Gary Joseph 14:39, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Question

Are there any tools at our disposal to determine the IP address of a registered user? Postoak 23:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Driving school

I apprecaite your tireless contributions to school articles, particularly those in SoCal. However I (and others, apparently) don't understand why you're adding the name and weblink of a driving school to articles. I suppose these schools have many vendors who provide services. Should we add all of them? -Will Beback · † · 00:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

How about if we keep the mention of the driving school but omit their website? -Will Beback · † · 22:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


Yeah, this driving school thing is kind of weird. I don't really think that Westwood Driving is the sole provider of training for some of these schools. While I attended LACES, and I did attend Westwood Driving, most of my classmates from LACES attended different driving school, in fact, very few went to Westwood Driving. Aznfurball 08:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

University of Maryland Baltimore County

Good call on the boundary edit. Thanks. --Vees 18:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

204.108.96.11

Your note at User talk:Catapult went unnoticed for quite some time. I ran a highly-specialized script in mid-2006 to identify and block open proxies and tag the talk pages of the associated IP addresses. I doubt I still have the logs of the original port scans, but an IPs talk page would have been tagged and categorized as an open proxy if one of two conditions were met:

  • IP address was already blocked (by any administrator) with duration of "indefinite" AND with block summary resembling "prox(y|ies)", "compromised", "spambot", "backslash", etc.
  • IP address was found on one of several known online open proxy lists (mostly shady forums updated daily by spambots operating from other open proxies, mind you) AND was confirmed (using a port-scan utility) to have one or more suspicious open ports which would indicate unfettered remote access for http requests (the second check to avoid blocking on false positives and/or outdated information).

In the latter case, the script would also have blocked the IP address (after unblocking to clear any temporary blocks that might be in effect). However this IP was already indef-blocked by User:Hall Monitor some four months before the scan, so the blocking step was skipped. Thus the block log does not reflect its status as an open proxy.

Unfortunately Hall Monitor's left the project in March, though he has appeared sporadically in recent months.

I ran a manual port scan just now and it appears to be clean. If there is any compelling reason to unblock it, I guess go ahead. —freak(talk) 01:38, Dec. 31, 2006 (UTC)

Going on the Case Closed/Detective Name Question

Hi WhisperToMe,

I know your views on this question, but it seemed there is still no consensus over this dispute. Since a concensus is essential for this problem (it affects more than a few pages' names you know), do you think it would be wise for me to start a WP:RM procedure to force people on the talking table and get a definitive answer? --Samuel Curtis-- TALK 02:22, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Read your answer on my usertalk. By wait do you also mean ask? --Samuel Curtis-- TALK 02:59, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Battle Royale

Hey i read the comment. Sorry to say this but Japanese people say their last names FIRST and given names LAST unlike Americans. I you don't believe me, watch Battle Royale on youtube.com and find out for yourself...75.23.69.172 22:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Takako Chigusa (Japanese)
Chigusa Takako (American)
I guess you didn't watch the movie on youtube...75.23.69.172
English Wikipedia is not "The Japanese". And I believe that is untrue on official Japanese documents now. --tjstrf talk 00:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Battle Royale

Which one did YOU watch? What bothers me is that you call her by her last name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.23.69.172 (talk) 01:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC).


dead wiki links

Why are you re-restoring dead wiki links? there are no articles there. i know the common reply to this is "I plan to..." but I don't see much followup and the result is dead links all over the place. danedouard00 03:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Saddam Hussein Execution

This is killing my time, uber has personal agenda against something... I did everything what's right and on talk page but to no avail, this version should be as follows... Saddam died at 6:10, this guy kept on reverting and making things wrong... Iraq official death certificate is 6:10, died 6:05... http://www.dailynews.lk/2007/01/01/wld02.asp Also that guy removed saddam's link to his last hours, all those should go back. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_hussein You should block this guy who kept on reversing everything. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Execution_of_Saddam_Hussein&diff=98515213&oldid=98514518 is best version, see what can be done asap. Honestly out of 1000 administratos, may be just may be 10 should be here.http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=5873023&nav=RmOibfFz

Dont tell me what to do, but do what is right.

4Kids Entertainment

Howdy, I noticed that you were the originator of this article - and I was wondering if you'd like to see how it's doing. I'm currently in the process of re-editing most of the material, and would like some input from people who care about the process.

Also, your talk page wants you to archive it, because it's too long. Just thought I'd mention it. Anyways, thanks! --Haemo 10:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Bridgeland Community

Hello. I see you contributed substantially to the article on Bridgeland Community. It is currently nominated for deletion. That discussion can be found here. I would encourage you to comment. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 21:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Really, do we do articles on developments? If it's a town or city with a government, then yes, there should certainly be an article, but a development subdivision? I really don't think so. The only purpose for the article would seem to be to sell people houses. Jefferson Anderson 22:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you say so. I will let the community decide. In any case, I moved the article back while the AfD is ongoing. According to the developer on WP:HELPDESK, the place is called "Bridgeland Community" not "Bridgeland". They complained about the article being moved, as apparently it raises trademark issues. That's what led me to believe the article should be deleted. I mean, it's apparently a developer-owned concern if they are worried about trademark issues. If it's going to be moved, it should be to Bridgeland Community, Texas, according to the help page. Jefferson Anderson 22:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand it either. What I gather is that somebody holds the trademark for "Bridgeland" so they are being careful not to violate that trademark by calling the development/community "Bridgeland Community". Perhaps they have permission to use the latter but not the former. In any case, it is their assertion that the name of this place is NOT "Bridgeland, Texas" but rather "Bridgeland Community, Texas". Make of it what you will... Jefferson Anderson 23:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Video games

All video games are notable? Really? Rklawton 05:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Is there a standard other than WP:SOFTWARE - because it appears to fail miserably. Rklawton 05:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Somari

  • Well, the AfD was already closed as a Keep, so my opinion doesn't matter anymore. ;) JuJube 05:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

School pics

As it happens, I expect to be driving by a couple of those schools this week and can catch quick snapshots, time permiting. But your list makes me curious. Why pictures of those particular Westside schools? Are the elementary schools even notable, architecturally or otherwise? You don't have to answer, just curious. Cheers, -Will Beback · † · 08:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Great idea. -Will Beback · † · 08:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I just recalled that my camera hasn't been working reliably - my help may have to wait. Sorry for offering what I may not be able to fufill. -Will Beback · † · 09:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Categories for CPS

Could you help me out with the categories for Conway Public Schools? I put a question for you in the talk page. Thanks. -- Ben (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Wheatley High School discussion forum

See my reply on my talk page. ●DanMS 05:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Allow?

I was amused by your edit summary to Wheatley High School (Houston). I wouldn’t have characterized my statement as “allow.” ●DanMS 05:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

2000 al-Qaeda Summit

You created an article on the 2000 al-Qaeda Summit a while ago, but did not provide your source(s). If possible, please add them now. Thanks, KazakhPol 06:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply to your message

You should put your evidence against deletion on the AfD discussion. No one involved in the proposed deletion will see it on my talk page. -FisherQueen (Talk) 11:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

A tip

Just because we don't all speak in the IRC doesn't mean we don't monitor it. --Fredrick day 00:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


Is that a threat? Who needs to monitor or log? - you are assuming that I am doing some under-handed - I am simply logged into the channel because I enjoy reading the chat and there are interesting debates about policy sometimes - also it's a good way to pick up information about articles that need work.

In regards to your second point, yes it is not an official channel but a) if you don't want to create bad feelings I'd refrain from calling other editors "anal" like you just did about me and Wizardry Dragon and b) that's the sort of excuse a child gives. If you want to say something to someone, have some backbone - say it to them. People respect that, they don't respect people who whisper behind their backs. --Fredrick day 00:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Is that a joke? present myself? What do you think talkpages are for? you know for the business of wikipedia - why would I want to do it in what you have just identified as an unofficial channel? I do business here. --Fredrick day 00:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


Well good for you - but as a rule of thumb - I wouldn't say anything about an editor you wouldn't say to them here. Even that editor is not there, someone else who is friendly with them is likely to tell them - that creates bad feelings. --Fredrick day 00:57, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Random Smiley

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T.H. Rogers

The "Magnet" students only goes up to 8th. The impaired does go up to as old as 18 years old, but what we're looking at here is "Magnet" students

Mis-categorization

I'm sorry about that. Thanks for telling me, and correcting it. I was directed to that page from Spring High School, since apparently those were Spring students. Elle Bee 13:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Jefferson Leadership Academies

Regarding your edit to Jefferson Leadership Academies#School uniforms. According to the Manual of Style, you should not put wikilinks in the section headers of articles. BlankVerse 15:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Photo Requests for A Couple of Restaurant Articles

I saw from your main page about photo requests. This may take a while, but whenever you have the time I would like to request a photo of a Popeyes Chicken restaurant and a photo of a Chick-Fil-A restaurant inside a mall? I'm doing improvements to the Popeyes Chicken & Biscuits article and Chick-fil-A article, so this would be much appreciated. Thank you. GETONERD84 15:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

BTW, I just had to clear up confusion on your response in my talk: I'm just lookin for a pic of a regular free-standing Popeyes restaurant, not a mall Popeyes (if any); I was looking for a Chick-Fil-A in the mall pic to complement the article about the history of cfa being assoc. with malls from the beginning. GETONERD84 23:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

re: Imperial Oaks, Texas

Looks ok. But does anyone live there yet? --Fang Aili talk 22:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok. It just sounds like it's all in planning stages right now. --Fang Aili talk 22:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

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Re:Anna Nicole Smith

As of right now, it's a legitimate source unless CNN comes out that the information was wrong. It's still breaking news so anything can happen. Douglasr007 21:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you move Talk:Mr. Satan (Dragon Ball) to Talk:Mr. Satan/Archive 1?

I discovered that Talk:Mr. Satan (Dragon Ball) was lyin' about elsewhere and was never moved/merged to the current archived Mr. Satan talk page. I just copy/pasted it to the current archive though. So, can you merge it please? I'll try to look out for more old discussions that are out there that haven't been moved and merged, if ya get my drift... Power level (Dragon Ball) 01:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sharpstown Center

Actually it was already mentioned that during the mid-1990's the mall was rebranded into Sharpstown Center. The owners probably didn't bother to spend the money to change the signs or for a better website during the changeover. A look in the references section, link #2, shows that it is branded as "Houston's Premiere Urban Mall" consistent with the website's reference. BTW, do you have an alternative website for Sharpstown Center if the one I provided is incorrect? —SirChan 06:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Most people will refer to it as Sharpstown Mall. Those signs look 10-15 years old. I guess 10 years ago they were trying to keep business from moving to First Colony down the highway. Or maybe 15 years ago, they were trying to keep an upscale image after the neighborhood deteriorated and development went west towards West Oaks. — SirChan 06:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Redmont Hotel

The question of school districting may not be as evident as I had assumed, but it does not belong in the article. Perhaps relevant to a real estate listing, but not an encyclopedia. --Dystopos 04:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


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Charles Carl Roberts

we should follow what wikipedia defines as murder

The words kill, murder, execution and assassination all signify acts which deprive of life.

"The concept of killing is the most general of the four, with no implication of the manner, justification, or purpose of killing, or nature of what is killed, whether human being, animal, plant, or other object considered to possess life. To murder is to kill either immorally, unjustly and without proper reason, or with premeditated intent. To execute is to kill a person marked for death by the state, in a manner sanctioned by that state, whether by law or decree. To assassinate is to kill a person marked for death, usually with the intent of furthering ideological or political goals."

wikipedia article on killing

To murder is to kill either immorally, unjustly and without proper reason, or with premeditated intent.

All these were present, he murdered them, in proper English murder is the intentional killing of a human being. The legal term is not murder but homocide, it was murder! DevoutCatholic 01:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Doris Angleton

I am puzzled by the message you left on my talk page as I do not remember having anything to do with this article, nor can I spot my username in the history of either the article page or the talk page? Thryduulf 09:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

LPHS

No problem. My only concern is that Chicago currently looks dull and dirty due to the (minimal) snow fall. I'll do it by the end of March, if that is alright with you. Greetings, Vseferović 22:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Yoshihiro Togashi

I never said Church was an invalid manga, I said I couldn't find support for it existing. Also if you are to contribute please keep the manga in chronological order like it is on the other mangaka pages. (And that wasn;t supposed to come off abrasive or harsh, I'm kinda in a hurry.)--Hitsuji Kinno 15:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you put Church in proper sequential order please. If it was advertised in Yuu Yuu Hakusho, then it definitely didn't come chronologically after Hunter x Hunter. That's a standard for creator pages. Thank you. And if you have it the date that it ran for. --Hitsuji Kinno 18:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Nigerian scams

Thanks for the info on adding Nigerian scams but can you tell me where and what you are adding because I'm afraid I can't remember my comment. Please let me know on my Talk page and add a link. Thank you and well done. Jtpaladin 17:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

666Satan

hey, idk if your still in2 666Satan much anymore, but i designed a userbox if your interested in using it

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Userbox/User 666Satan}}




{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Userbox/User 666Satan}}


above is what it looks like, and the template link for it,

peace,

-Ancientanubis 21:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

List of Kirby: Right Back at Ya! media and release information

Why did you move the episodes list to that title? - A Link to the Past (talk) 16:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Alright then. Thanks for answering. Also, ever consider doing another archive? - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)