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[edit] Vandilism?

Whitney is the third contestant to get a Billboard in Time Square not the second. Jaslene is the second contestant and winner to get a billboard. Eugenia is the first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.145.12 (talk) 19:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm no expert on the subject here, but I do see many people blanking and removing content, which appears to be vandalism. I have reverted all of these edits to a old revision of the article. — ThreeDee912 (talk) 01:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest locking this article for a while. There's been an awful lot of vandalism on the ANTM cycle 10 page and this contestant has been bashed quite a bit by vandals on the Cycle 10 page. - Jadedixon (talk) 02:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Those users are just upset that someone normal won the competition for a change. Whitney was by far the best in that commercial and in that fashion show. Some people are just too immature and have nothing better to do Oscar (talk) 04:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

unsigned comment added by 67.49.1.64 (talk) 05:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


Is it worth adding the controversy surrounding Whitney win to her wiki page? http://www.sidereel.com/_post/7346 & http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/23449254.html & http://fourfour.typepad.com/fourfour/2008/05/a-damn-good-job.html#more

Whitney didn't really deserve it to win.The only reason that Tyra chose her,is because that she is a "full-figured" model!Anya was the real winner.Wake up people!

  • This is not a discussion forum for debating the merits of Thompson's win. Take it elsewhere. AntiVanity (talk) 07:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plus-size versus Full-Figured

The phrases are contentious because the language used in the show by the judges does not accurately reflect the language of the modeling industry in relation to plus-size models. The term 'full-figured' is obselete, and was in any event interchangable with 'plus-size', not a separate descriptor. As a size 8-10 (fluctuating) Thompson will be marketed as a plus-size model, in the same way that Crystal Renn is even though she often appears wearing clothes that are not created by plus-size clothing companies. See plus-size model for discussion on the size topic.

While Banks et al may have un/consciously chosen the phrase 'full-figured' to describe Thompson's body, her occupation is most correctly described as a 'plus-size model'; even though many believe that plus-size (in all repsects) *should* begin at U.S. size 14, it is not the case. Plus-size now most often describes the clothing, not the models wearing it and as such includes models above a U.S. size 8. The professional designation should drive the article's terminology. Any 'full figured' remarks attributed to Banks should be shown in quotations, with sources, to separate the issues. AntiVanity (talk) 00:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed that "plus-size" is the predominant industry phrase, but not sure if the terminology issue is significant enough to to be mentioned in the article itself, let alone as a "controversy"; seems a very minor point. KameraObscura (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

  • The full-figured usage is actually the basis for the whole argument as people really associate plus-size with 'fat' and do not wish to accept the modeling usage of plus-size, however the debate does seem to be limited to chat and blog commentary rather than the media at this time. It is definitely a debate attached to Thompson nonetheless. Perhaps delete this note until there is a better-than-mediocre reference to provide? AntiVanity (talk) 05:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
    • The pertinent issue, I think, is what you say: the debate does seem to be limited to chat and blog commentary rather than the media at this time. I think it's debatable that blog commentary constitutes a controversy, for realistically, bloggers make controvery of every decision in the show, many more vocally than "plus-size"/"full-figured" terminology (from supposed plastic sugery to personalities -- everything is a blogger controversy, and blogging really is just water-cooler chat in print). I still believe that the terminology issue doesn't meet the requirement for an encyclopedia mention, not in Thompson's own article at any rate. (Perhaps in the plus-size clothing article? Just a thought.) I see one editor tried to remove the passage; I tend to be on-board with the idea of deleting it, unless it gets actual media mention -- as the "rigging" rumour, and CW's refutation, did in People. KameraObscura (talk) 01:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Whitney Thompson is NOT the first plus sized to make it to the internation destination.

In the article it said that she is the first plus-sized contestant to make it to the internation destination, which is false. Robin Manning from Cycle 1 of top model was the first. Whitney Thompson is the second. I suggest you fix it.

Robin, plus-sized? are you sure? I looked up pictures of her to make sure, and I wouldn't really say she is or WAS at that point plus-sized or full-figured Oscar (talk) 20:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Robin Manning was indeed on the show as a plus-size model; she was represented by Wilhelmina as such. Whether it is worth nitpicking the whole who-got-to-take-the-trip thing is another story. I don't know that that level of detail makes any difference. AntiVanity (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blond Winners

It says that Whitney is the second blond winner of ANTM, natural or not, but Eva and Naima both had their hair dyed blonde on the show. four out of ten does not seem very significant though so I do not believe it should even be included.B165789309 (talk) 17:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC) ||They are talking about Blonde Blonde, Eva and Naima had a Sandy Bownish Blonde. Whitney and Caridee had an actual Barbie Blonde By the way, it's not plus sized, it's full figured. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.181.235 (talk) 18:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

  • I thought the sentences reflecting her transformation on the show from brunette to blonde were appropriate; its removal for a note about her standings in hair colour winners is not; the matters are separate, not one-or-the-other. Will reinstate transformation comment AntiVanity (talk) 23:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Anya Kop was a clear winner..."

"While it seemed like Anya Kop was a clear winner until the finale episode..." This line seems to be based more on a bitter writer's opinon rather than fact. This should be removed or reworded to remove the bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.238.140.140 (talk) 01:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shows

Whitney Thompson appeared on the Live with Regis and Kelly show after her win. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.200.241 (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the info, however Thompson is obviously going to be on a publicity tour after her win so I don't think it necessary to list everything to the article, just the notable "first of" type accomplishments. AntiVanity (talk) 23:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] First call-out for plus size model

In the real world this isn't a notable accomplishment - only in terms of the show, which it has to be said doesn't have a lot to do with the reality of modeling. Besides, without a source is it original research. 08:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Please sign comments. How is this any different than the statement asserting that she was in the bottom two "a total of four times - more times than any past winner"? If the latter statement is deemed worthy of inclusion (without a reference), then why isn't the fact that she was the first plus-size model to receive a first call out? It's not notable in the modelling world, any more than a four-time bottom-placement is. But it is notable as a fact of the show. KameraObscura (talk) 02:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Apologies, that was me. Comment about original research stands and is applied equally to the 'bottom two' notation. If these details are notable in terms of the show, then shouldn't they be attached to her name on the ANTM article instead of here? This article is formed mainly of hype and enthusiastic approval generated by ANTM, rather than Thompson's actual merit as a model of note, such as that 'note' might be at this early stage of her 'plus-size' career. The bottom two and first callout details are only interesting in the absence of more notable accomplishments, which will take her time to achieve. Perhaps we need to determine whether it is only her winning ANTM that makes her notable for Wiki inclusion, rather than being a "larger/size 10 that won ANTM that went on to have an actual modeling career", as surely any work she does now will be 'in the usual course of employ', which generally renders other models citing the same accomplishment not notable enough for a Wiki article? If there is mention of her sending out first-pitch or being in an Indy 500 parade I will strongly suggest authors do NOT think them notable modelling accomplishments; merely interesting PR perks from the ANTM win. They are not of sufficient merit for encyclopedic content. AntiVanity (talk) 08:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
  • But the article should not merely refer to her notability as a model alone (why would it?) but to her identity as a reality-show winner as well -- in fact, to whatever significant public visibility has her name attached. Many more people will know her on the basis of her reality-show win, reality-show accomplishments, and related publicity, than will ever know her modeling specifics. If this were a modeling article alone, then only her modeling credentials should be included, but it is not -- it is an article about Whitney Thompson (the public figure, the celebrity, whatever one wants to call her), and everything about her that makes a signficant public impact. I don't see on what basis modeling accomplishments are more notable in general than any other facts about Whitney Thompson that are publicly visible. Of course her Indy 500 appearance is not a modeling accomplishment, but it is an accomplishment of Whitney Thompson the celebrity, which currently includes many things besides modeling. In the same manner, a Toccara Jones article lists her other TV appearances, not just whatever modeling she did, and a Joanne Borgella article talks about her American Idol performance, not just her modeling. But back to the original point, I think it's agreed that if her four bottom-two appearances merit a note, then so does her unique first-place call-out, and if the latter doesn't, than the former doesn't as well. Therefore, it would be worth seeing the articles about the 9 other ANTM winners, and if they mention details about their performance on the show (such as number of first call-outs, bottom appearances, etc.), then these facts should be included in Whitney's article as well; if they don't mention such details, then Whitney's article shouldn't either. KameraObscura (talk) 06:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)