Talk:White hat

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Mentioning de Bono's white hat under Whitehat may be inappropriate, but there's a redirect at white hat. Perhaps there should be a disambiguation there and similar arrangements made for black hat. I couldn't say.

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[edit] Move

For symmetry with Black hat and Gray hat, and because "white hat" is the usual noun. One says "a white-hat hacker," or "a white hat"; never "a whitehat." See "What links here" and note how many [[Whitehat|white hat]] links there are. --Quuxplusone 19:38, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 23:27, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Ask and ye shall recieve. talk

[edit] Criticism

This article is in need of a criticism section. Specifically adressing the issue that there is no such thing as black or white hat hackers, but that the 'black hat' was invented by hackers who were afraid of getting negative publicity, labelling anyone of their kind who got caught with criminal behavior a 'black hat' so as not to get blamed themselves. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by IP address 82.92.64.247 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC).

I agree, this place needs a criticism section. There are many views on the phenomenon 'white hat hacker', but the article only represents one. I'll add one later tonight. 82.95.254.30 17:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "sofixit"

  • Your argument has multiple logical fallacies.
  • There are multiple meanings to hacker — the hacker definition controversy covers this somewhat, as does the main entry. You appear to use more than one, leading to a fallacy of equivocation.
  • The "cracker" and "black hat" terminology that is used to refer to computer intruders (and specifically those with amoral or malicious intent) — that is, the criminal variety of security hackers — did indeed arise from the long-standing informal community of computer amateurs and professionals — that is, hackers in the broadest sense of the word — objecting to the media making use of the term only for the former group, when the latter group had used a broader meaning. (The label is applied not only to those caught, but also with those uncaught.) However, it is not so much that the wider community of hackers objected to "negative publicity", but objected because of offense at the category error implied from the usage — which you also suffer from.
  • This in term suggests your argument suffers from non causa pro causa.
  • Even if your assertion of this motive was accurate, it is an example of an appeal to motive fallacy; IE, merely because ulterior motive can be shown, it does not therefore follow that the distinction that has been made lacks validity.
 
Your remarks convey an unappealing appearance of ignorance. Such ignorance can be and ought to be corrected. Please do so. Abb3w 17:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Don't be a dick and answer like a normal person. 82.95.254.30 17:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remove term hacker

The Black hat article introduction follows the common convention in the IT/programming world of using the term "cracker". I think that in this context, the term "hacker" should be removed from the introduction. Not only does it not follow industry convention, but I find it confusing, as I usually expect the term "hacker" to be synonymous with "programmer" or "coder", and "white hat" does not fit into this context.Jantman 02:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Please give an example or DIY.BlackbeardSCBC 0001, 1 December 2007 (GMT-8)

[edit] Examples

Wouldn't a penetration test be a better example of White Hat work? The current example is something of a grey area (and so, probably Grey Hat). --Tango 21:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC) Fixed. See definition link.BlackbeardSCBC 0001, 1 December 2007 (GMT-8) Hackers at Microsoft! are white hat hackers: they are gods that does nothing;-) for a big amount of money;-) and without any visible results! Thats the point! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.227.1.1 (talk) 08:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC) You are wrong and you know it Mr. Unsigned. The point of white hat hacking is to legally do what most ethical hackers do illegally.BlackbeardSCBC 0001, 1 December 2007 (GMT-8)

[edit] List of people

I took out the list of security experts. The list seemed to be an indiscriminate list of white-hats, security experts, and people who could be regarded as black-hats. --h2g2bob (talk) 22:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)