Talk:White Wagtail

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[edit] Images

The birds from the pictures in the article look like they've been deliberately made to look outside the article, instead of inside. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.123.114.16 (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] White Wagtail (3 votes) wins collab for May-June 2008

Nominated March 30, 2007;

Support:

  1. Sabine's Sunbird talk 02:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  2. Jimfbleak (talk) 06:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  3. Shyamal (talk) 05:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments:

  • One of my favourite birds when I started birding, and still one of the most cheerful little bleeders out there. If you're sick of wagtails you're sick of life. Also widespread distribution, about a million and one images, and currently not much more than a list of races. Sabine's Sunbird talk 02:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I'd go with this. I was going to nom European Robin, but that's well on the way, and perhaps could be an unofficial ongoing project? Jimfbleak (talk) 06:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] To do list for Colab

Pretty much the usual.

  1. Missing sections - Lead, Behaviour, (Breeding, Diet and feeding), Morphology (or description), Relationship with humans.
  2. Image reduction.... toooo many at the moment. We have lots of great images of different plumages for different subspecies and it would be good to work these into discussions of taxonomy and morphology. We don't need images of related species here.
  3. Related species - we don't need a list or a subsection, we perhaps need a sentence or two in taxonomy.
  4. Distribution - this should made into a list at the bottom and renamed ==Subspecies==, making it like the list of species at the end of a family or genus article.

What else? Sabine's Sunbird talk 01:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed

=== Related species === Following species are not subspecies of Motacilla alba but these are thought to have some relation about it.

Motacilla grandis - Japanese Wagtail
Japan (Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku, Kyushu)
Motacilla samveasnae - Mekong Wagtail
Laos、Cambodia、Thailand (around downstream of Mekong) [1]
Motacilla madaraspatensis - Large Pied Wagtail
= M. maderaspatensis
India, Pakistan
Motacilla aguimp vidua - African Pied Wagtail
Central and Southern Africa
Motacilla aguimp aguimp - African Pied Wagtail
South Africa (around the Cape of Good Hope)


This can get made into sentences and moved back at some point. Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:00, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] thoughts

  1. Is it worth tabulating the ssp? Either as a straight table (eg Common Treecreeper), or with the images included where available (see List of Anuran families)
  2. I assume "further reading" goes?
  3. Please can we use Mos reference formats. With only six refs, already three do not conform

Jimfbleak (talk) 05:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Lets keep further reading for now; it is a good source to help us find refs. Once we've gotten teh article well underway we could remove it. Alternatively, move it here and we can keep it as a resource. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
With redgards to the subspecies list, it perhaps should be treated like the subspecies list in Peregrine Falcon? As well as distribution and migration notes it could also have info on plumage differences. Sabine's Sunbird talk 02:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, yes, but that still leaves the choice of unbulleted list (Peregrine), bulleted list, table, or table with images. Jimfbleak (talk) 05:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I've started a table, comments please, and I'll either revert or continue Jimfbleak (talk) 09:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
No need to revert, looks fine. Sabine's Sunbird talk 00:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] maps

BWP has a good breeding/wintering map for the western palearctic, Sims has a smaller one of entire breeding range, and Arlott has breeding/wintering for whole paleartic but very small. Given the scorn poured on my cartography elsewhere, does any want me to email some all of these to have a go them selves? jimfbleak (talk) 11:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Illustration

Trying to put together an illustrated summary of the races - but this is not easy thanks to the amount of variation. Here is a working version and it needs to be improved if it is to be used. Suggestions and sources for improving it are welcome. Shyamal (talk) 10:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Collapsing book section

Books and articles.