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Yours truly, --Ludvikus 16:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] "geographical description"

QUOTE:Black Russia and White Russia were geographical descriptions. The inhabitants of these ares were called 'Black Russian' and 'White Russians'/QUOTE

There was no Black Russians inhabitants of any mythical Black Russia.

I've added the above title for obvious reasons. Yours truly, --Ludvikus 16:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Black Russia

White Russia is also called Belarus, and Black Russian I think is just an invention of some bartentender.

QUOTE:PierreAbbat (There is such a place as Black Russia, according to Bartleby)/QUOTE

I had been living 31 years of my life in Russia and never heard about Black Russia. Sometimes Central and Southern part of Russia is called Black-Earth (or Black Soil?) in Russian, but it is not the same.

QUOTE from Bartleby: Black Russia.

Is the drink named after Belarus, or after the Whites in the Civil War? Slrubenstein Central and Southern Russia is so called from its black soil.

“The winter crops in the whole of European Russia are very good, especially in the black-earth regions. In the government of Northern Russia the condition is less favourable.”—Newspaper paragraph, December, 1893. /QUOTE

Original quote from Newspaper does not contain Black Russia term, so I suppose Black Russia is Bartleby's invention.

 -- user:Vassili Nikolaev
The quote is from Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 1898.

E. Cobham Brewer 1810–1897.

Some sort of edit conflict. Also "Moesiae et Daciae, Tabula Contiens una Poloniam, Russiam nigram, etc.". Copper etching by Peter Bertius (1565-1629) for Philipp Cluver Philipp (1580 - 1623). A map title where "Russiam nigram" must be Black Russia. Rmhermen 14:11 Aug 19, 2002 (PDT)

Is the drink named after Belarus, or after the Whites in the Civil War?


What is the quantity for the last two ingredients? dave 02:58, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Cannabis

Isn't the cultural reference to a White Russian regarding Cannabis already stated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_russian thus has little reference to the actual drink? Can this be removed?

[edit] Boris Brasol, White Russian

The term, White Russian, is more accurate than White Emigre, and should be used accordingly in WP!!! Ludvikus 16:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revragnarok's unexplained revert

Revragnarok reverted my edit with the edit summary rv - see WP:MOSDAB please. I am quite familiar with the manual of style pages about disambiguation, but this does not explain what you found wrong with my edit, and why you removed the links I added. —Michael Z. 2006-12-20 17:20 Z

I wouldn't call it an unexplained revert - it pointed to WP:MOSDAB. Anyway, the links I removed were the ones I had previously removed:
I removed the various Belarus links because I felt that White Russia was sufficient (and still in there). That article has plenty of Belarus links, and I feel that White Russia is the most appropriate link from this page, in a subsection People that had also been removed. In reading MOSDAB, I see it as trying to cut back the number of links that are found on a 'normal' page. I left two links on the cannabis line since that is a redlink - if somebody were to write the other article then that link could be removed too. The two pages I modeled it on are Rocket (disambiguation) and Poison (disambiguation). — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 18:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Belarus

I removed the POV bit about the use of "White Russian" in reference to Belarus being "incorrect and possibly offensive." It doesn't seem to be strictly incorrect. A note about offensiveness seems inappropriate, especially in a disambiguation page, and seems predicated on a misunderstanding of the term and its etymology, especially since no one says it anymore. I replaced it with a note that the usage is archaic, and kept the translation of the name, though I suspect even that is too much for a disambiguation page. OneVeryBadMan 10:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Works for me - I never knew it could be offensive, but if it was didn't want to remove that and step on any toes (I do that enough around here apparently). — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 15:48, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] White Russian vs. White movement vs. Belarus

I believe there is here a fundamental confusion over English language usage.

(1) When we use, speak, and/or write about Belarus we practically never translate it into White Russian.
(2) On the other hand, when we use, speak, and/or write about White Russians we practically neven mean the Belarus.
Yours truly, --Ludvikus 12:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)