Talk:White British

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[edit] All Jewish people?

Jewish people are also defined to be White British by the United Kingdom Census.

Does this mean Oona King qualifies as white?! Timrollpickering 17:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

White refers to what people identify themselves. Dark skinned Southern Euriopeans are classed as white and so are Turks. A fair looking high cast Indian could choose to tick that he/she is white if they wanted, boosting the white population even higher! 92% white? more likely in its mid 80s.

I am, frankly, quite surprised that the Turks are classified as white in Britain. It seems that Britain is vastly different from other European countries in this respect. --217.172.29.5 20:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wilde

Is Wilde the best choice for a picture? Under modern rules, given his political views, he might well be classified as 'White Irish' (people in NI who identify as Irish are). 134.226.1.62 11:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Is this article correct?

In the 2001 census the category 'White British' is a sub-category of the group 'White'. The others being 'White Irish' and 'Other White'. The information given relates to the whole group i.e. 'White' as opposed to 'White British'. For example 92.1% of the population is 'White British' + 'White Irish' + 'Other White' = 92.1% if you see what I mean. Therefore this article doesn't actually descibe the group 'White British' at all. I appreciate that this is entirely down to the ONS refusing to break down the figures for the 'White' group, even though they routinely do this for other groups.

Romper 01:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)romperRomper 01:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The numbers shown are incorrect - 92% is the entire white population (White British, White Irish and White Other). See here[1], for a closer representation. --sony-youth 15:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually the article now claims that 92% (54 million) of the population is White, not White British, and has done for a little while. I know because I made the change. Be that as it may, there is a source that claims that there were 50 million "White British" people in the UK in 2001 (this would be about 86%). The source is not more specific that this figure.[2] with a link to The different experiences of the United Kingdom’s ethnic and religious populations. Alun 14:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why does this article exist?

For the life of me I don't understand why this article was created. I can think of no real reason for it to exist. All it does is give a few unimportant details from the 2001 census, that are available online from the ONS anyway. The term "White British" is only applicable to the census anyway, no one refers to themselves as "White British", and certainly no one ever considers their ethnic group "White British". We're all either English people, Welsh people, Scottish people, Irish people or just plain British. Most of the information from the census is wrong. For example it claimed that the average "White British" household had 2.4 children, when the citation clearly stated that the average "White British" household was 2.4 people. It's a very badly written article, why does nearly every sentense start with "White British"? I'm thinking of AfDing this article, it has no merit, "White British" could just as well be redirected to Briton. Alun 21:44, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Wobbs, I agree with you man, and I dont know who is creating all these Asian, White/European, and Black/African "ethnic group" articles which is borderline stupidity if you ask me. I mean articles on the individual races is one thing, but its not like these groups are some fully cohesive group in each of these countries. However, not every British Isles person that is White is English, Irish, Welsh, Cornish or Scottish, and theres numerous White immigrant or immigrant-descended groups like Arabs, Berbers, Jews, Italians, Germans, Dutch, Norwegians, Spanish, etc. 69.157.107.88 21:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree there is no point in this article it nothing more than details from the census White British is not an ethnic group. --Barrytalk 11:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

This article should be nothing more than a disambiguation page, stating that 'White British' is a census term, and directing readers to the pages of the English, Irish, Welsh and Scottish people. I don't know why on earth Dark Tea (and all you other fools) are in such a rush to create new ethnic groups out of thin air. Let's just get a bunch of people, put them somewhere, and name them based on colour and location rather the genealogy, history and heritage (sigh).
It's revisionism on Wikipedia. There is no such thing as a 'White British' ethnic group. There has never been one, not in a thousand years, and there won't be on in the next, so why is it masquerading as one? Michael talk 01:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
"White British" is not a census category in Scotland. The choices were White Scottish or White Other. This article is about a census category, not an ethnic group. That should also be clearer. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 13:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
That's inaccurate and your conclusion is similarly so. The two categories offered in place of "White British" were "White Scottish" and "Other White British" (reference here - so White British was still an implied category and is used for statistical purposes by incorporating both subcategories in the Scottish census - it just happened to be more specific than the one in England and Wales. --Breadandcheese 19:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnic group

An infobox for ethnic groups was removed recently on the grounds that "White British" were not an ethnic group. Considering this tag is applied fairly liberally to other groups, exactly what denies it this status?--Breadandcheese 01:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

  • White British is an evelop name for people of indigenous British Isles origins - English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh; so where is the article for the 3 million "Other Whites" which envelop the large Polish, Greek, Italian and German communities across Britain??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.154.247 (talk) 19:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use of the word indigenous

Really ought to be removed, since White Britons are not indigenous to the British Isles. Even if you go back as far the Celts, you'll find that they were migrants who traveled west from Celtic centres on the Rhine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.188.86.230 (talk) 15:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

That could be said about all "indigenous" groups around the world, yet they would be offended by you saying that they are not really the "indigenous" people of the land, if you said that. Dlpkbr (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 12:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)