Talk:Where no man has gone before

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[edit] Good Article Nomination History

Here's the good article criteria:

1. Well written?: If you're a Trekkie, it's delightful. Still good if it's not.
2. Factually accurate?: Aggressively footnoted.
3. Broad in coverage?: Wow. Had no idea this quote had such legs.
4. Neutral point of view?: Ok.
5. Stability?: Ok.
6. Images?: Fair use of screenshot ok.

I think it's a good article. Congrat's! — Kghusker 12:39, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pedantry rides again

From the introduction:

"The Star Trek character Zefram Cochrane, who was the first to fly at warp speed, supposedly originated the phrase in a speech which described what humans could do with this new warp technology. He utters the phrase in the first episode of the Trek prequel series Star Trek: Enterprise."

(Emphasis added.)

Would it not be better to say, "who was the first human to fly at warp speed"? --Chris 21:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The "Fiction" tag

The tag is currently there because the section "doesn't give the real history within the show". What does that mean, exactly? -- Ritchy 03:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I see the problem as being that the description of the backstory does not adequately describe what is fiction. A wikipedia article should be written entirely from a factual perspective. I have tried cleaning it up to avoid the in-universe persepective.
Apparently the title "outside the series" was supposed to suggest "outside the in-universe perspective." Since a Wikipedia article should always be factual, I changed this to just ""History." I am still not thrilled with that title, but I think it best represents what a Wikipedia reader should expect -- history is the factual history and nothing else.
--RichardMathews 19:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rest of quote

Would the origin of the rest of the opening narration be on-topic for this page? There are a number of memos regarding its creation flying around in August 1966 (some of the interim versions were, um, interesting). Was amused to see : "Space: Endless. Silent. Waiting", one of the proposals, pops up in Starship Exeter's narraton. Morwen - Talk 08:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure. I mean, we already discuss the in-universe history of the complete narration. Its real-world history would be a great addition! Provided of course it has references ;) -- Ritchy 15:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Order of the page

This quote is from Star Trek, and this page is mostly important in a Star Trek context. Given this, shouldn't the section explaining the quote in Star Trek come first? I mean, the origins of the quote are of course important, but most people will want to learn why the quote is so commonlu used today (i.e. the Star Trek stuff) before knowing where it originated from. -- Ritchy 19:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Usage in popular culture

As per the manual of style, I rewrote the trivia list of that section into a coherent text, and added references. I had to cut some of the trivia that didn't fit in the text. Here it is:

  • The pilot episode of Futurama, "Space Pilot 3000", begins with a parody of Star Trek's title sequence. It opens with a shot of a spaceship flying through space while the opening notes of the Star Trek theme play, and the character Fry then narrates "Space, it seems to go on and on forever..."
  • In the Babylon 5 episode "Voices of Authority", the character of Ivanova told Sheridan, who was about to have a sexual adventure with his political officer, "I think you're about to go where everyone has gone before".
  • The character of Garth says the line in the movie Wayne's World.

-- Ritchy 19:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Parody

A skit titled "Booze Trek" ran at least once on the Dr. Demento Show. Here's a transcript, with plenty of typos. http://www.tealdragon.net/humor/startrek/booze.htm "Booze, the wino frontier. These are the voyagers of the barship Bourbonprize. Its five-beer mission: To explore strange new clubs, to seek out new girls and new habitizations...to boldly go where no lush has gone before." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 07:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Memory Alpha references

In the article, footnotes 4, 5, 6, and 7 are split into two lines, the first containing nothing but the "^" symbol, and the second line containing the rest of the reference, but beginning with a square. This is wrong. I suspect that the problem lies in the Wiki programming somewhere. There appears to be a subroutine for references to Memory Alpha articles, and it appears that that's where the error lies. Can someone check it and fix it? Thanks. --Keeves (talk) 02:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of the phrase prior to Star Trek

This may be original research, but, I have found at least one usage of a similar phrase in a story published prior to Star Trek and the White House document. In H. P. Lovecraft's novella, The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath [1] this passage is found: "At length, sick with longing for those glittering sunset streets and cryptical hill lanes among ancient tiled roofs, nor able sleeping or waking to drive them from his mind, Carter resolved to go with bold entreaty whither no man had gone before, and dare the icy deserts through the dark to where unknown Kadath, veiled in cloud and crowned with unimagined stars, holds secret and nocturnal the onyx castle of the Great Ones." Does anyone think this should be included? Orville Eastland (talk) 03:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow! At first, I only saw the "no man had gone before", but your quote has the "go" and "bold", too! My opinion is that this should be allowed under the No Original Research rules. No Original Research does not refer to the method by which you found this quote. It refer to conclusions which are drawn from documented sources. If you would claim that this was the inspiration for the Star Trek phrase, and your source was that you heard it from Roddenberry personally, that would be Original Research. But if you simply say "I found this phrase in a really old book", that's okay. --Keeves (talk) 13:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)