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[edit] How written

I've mentioned that the Where Eagles Dare novel was written at the same time as the film. Unlike other MacLean works, this wasn't a book-to-movie translation. Observe how there was a film novelisation of the Bond film Moonraker for a comparison which bore no resemblance to the original Fleming novel. In this case MacLean was approached to write the novel for the film. Douglasnicol 13:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

MacLean essentially wrote them in tandem. A somewhat better analogy than Moonraker would be Arthur C. Clarke's role in 2001: A Space Odyssey. Wasted Time R 11:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plot summary

Given there's a spoiler warning at the start of the plot summary, I hope there are no objections to me submitting a full plot synopsis rather than the "teaser" currently in place? Brickie 11:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't see why not. Go for your life!NiceDoggie 10:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I just completely rewrote the plot section... that took me a while, with the book at hand, even though I've read it three times and seen the movie about ten. Most complex plot I've ever come across... wow! If it's too long, anyone can feel free to cut the dramatics :-) 68.42.74.123 22:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC) -- 68.42.74.123 is me, The Realms of Gold. I spent so long typing it, I think Wikipedia timed me out. - The Realms of Gold 22:50, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Good summary. I corrected a mistake early on and noted at the end that there were two characters in the film that are named differently. Douglasnicol 00:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow, somebody tore up the cable car scene in my plot summary. I don't take it personally of course, but the additions were really convoluted and some of them unnecessary -- it's a great scene but I think the summary is long enough already, haha. I re-edited it for flow and content. -- The Realms of Gold 19:13, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I should elaborate on what I did: the cable car scene was poorly worded, and too many finely detailed details (who dies when, the detonation charge left for the waiting Germans at the bottom, &c.) halted the dramatic flow. So I pared it down a little. Of course, somebody can feel free to pare the whole section down -- I like it a lot, of course, since I wrote it :-) but it is pretty long. May as well go read the book. -- The Realms of Gold 19:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Production Notes

It is stated this is the last film Clint Eastwood made without receiving top billing. I do not believe he received top billing for Paint Your Wagon which was made the next year. Can someone please check this statistic? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.132.166.170 (talk) 20:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Anton Diffring Pic

I've changed the caption of SS General to that of SS Colonel. There's a few reasons. IMDB credits him as SS Standartenfuhrer Kramer, looking up that rank on Wiki says it is the equivalent to an Oberst rank which is in itself a Colonel rank. Richard Burton also says when talking about Eastwoods role in the mission in film "His mission was to kill you General Rosemeyer, and you Colonel Kramer". Kramer when arguing with Major von Hapen earlier in the film also states "I am a Colonel in the SS". Douglasnicol 15:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

"...and not some lieutenant who can be frightened with your threats!" I love this scene. The actor accidentally says "who be can frightened," but it took me a good half-dozen views to catch it, since the acting is so good. He doesn't even flinch at the mistake. --The Realms of Gold 00:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Whereeaglesdare.jpg

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BetacommandBot 05:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

They are many changes in the story between the book and the movie. A. In the book neither Kramer (who by the way is Abwehr n´t SS), Anne-Marie Schenk, Rosenmeyer killed.

B. Neither ar Colonel Weissner killed by Smith earlyer.

Sad to treat a book that way —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.208.78.7 (talk) 16:09, August 24, 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Cultural References

I had to remove the reference to The Misfits song "Where Eagles Dare". The name is the same, but there is no connection to the movie at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.75.232.149 (talk) 08:08, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 20:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:315724.1020.A.jpg

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[edit] Quentin Tarantino

In a quote in the film magazine 'Empire', Tarantino described 'Where Eagles Dare' as his favourite 'men-on-a-mission' movie, and said that one day he would make his own 'men-on-a-mission' movie, but I don't think he actually meant that he would like to remake 'Where Eagles Dare'. Halmyre (talk) 17:54, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed split

As the article stands now, it seems to conflate discussions of the film and the novel, with the novel itself getting very little attention. As closely related as they are, they should still have separate articles. As the originating work, the novel should be at the plain title Where Eagles Dare and the film article moved to Where Eagles Dare (film).--ShelfSkewed Talk 05:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The thing here is that if the screenplay and novel were written simultaneously, it's hard to pull the two apart; there isn't any "originating work" as there is for most MacLean novels. The problem of the novel getting little attention can be fixed by adding a "Novel" section to this joint article. I'd leave it as it is. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I would be happy with that--even a brief section, accompanied by the appropriate Infobox with the original publication information. --ShelfSkewed Talk 19:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Arguably, the initial work is the screenplay. Elliot Kastner, (an American film producer) approached MacLean to write a screenplay, (for a WW2 story, that would sweat, that would involve a rescue), Kastner was apparently a big fan of MacLean's cinematic dialogue style. The screenplay was eventually delivered to Kastner in early 1967. It was Kastner who came up with the title. See Alistair MacLean - A Life by Jack Webster, ISBN 1-85592-519-2. The book was published before the film was released, (first edition of the hardback is 1967), but films take a while to make.

Creekman (talk) 18:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Star Wars

The trench run sequence in Star Wars ANH is taken from this film and I am very, very surprised that there is no reference to it here. And not just the trench run but impersonating officers, shooting a radio operator beofre he can broadcast and the gunfight whether troops pour through an open door.Katana Geldar 03:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, the Trench run sequence is taken from 633 Squadron not this film. Douglasnicol (talk) 16:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)