Talk:When the Saints Go Marching In

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Contents 1 Consolidation 2 And Bo Weevil Jackson... 3 Template 4 Origins? 5 Barbecue Bob 6 Spinoffs

[edit] Consolidation

I have consolidated as many varients of the title as I could find, redirecting the others here. I then rewrote the article using information gleaned from them all and adding substantial new work of my own. B00P 08:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] And Bo Weevil Jackson...

...in 1926. Stephan KŒNIG 01:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

And Bo Weevil Jackson what? Please expand. B00P 06:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

{{WikiProjectSongs}} removed, {{WPBeatles}} contains same functionality

I disagree with this. The importance and topic coverage of an article relating to the Beatles and relating to songs in general may be very different. (For example if this article left out all mention of the Beatles, it would be be poor for that project, but still a fairly good article about the song in general.) As long as this is not going to be a Beatles related only article, I think both projects header should be here-- as is done with a number of other articles relevent to more than one project. -- Infrogmation 16:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

It's a technical statement and so is 100% true :) The Beatles template with song=yes displays the text "This article is also within the scope of WikiProject Songs, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to songs on Wikipedia." and places this article in the categories Category:WikiProject Songs articles, Category:B-Class song articles and Category:Articles in need of Song Infoboxes. That said, it's not meant to be controversial and as this article isn't about specifically a Beatles song by all means turn the feature off. Just remove song=yes and hey presto :) Pretty cool stuff if I say so myself! --kingboyk 16:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. With regards to importance, the Songs WikiProject don't currently assess for importance. However, {{WPBeatles}} has a song-importance parameter by which the importance to the Songs WikiProject can be assessed seperately from the importance to the Beatles Project, should the former wish to start assessing importance. --kingboyk 16:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I do not agree with this song being placed only under the Beatles banner as it is not primarily known as a Beatles song. This isn't a "She Loves You" situation. 23skidoo 18:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

It's got nothing to do with ownership, only scope. But, anyway, with pleasure I'll change it back. --kingboyk 18:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I never saw it as an ownership question myself. It was more a case of it being a bit confusing. I think this particular usage of the Beatles project banner (with song "yes") should be reserved for songs either written by or strongly associated with the Beatles. 23skidoo 18:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe that 23skidoo is spot on correct. I have placed the "Song" Template above the "Beatles." It is certainly less jarring to see them in this order. -B00P 04:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Origins?

There appears to be at least some evidence that the song originated in the Bahamas, for instance here - [1] - I think this could be added to the article.

I originally heard from people in my area that the writer of this song was Luther Presley and he was from just outside of Searcy in White County, Arkansas. Further investigation leads me to believe that this may be true. Here is an article originally published in the Arkansas Democrat Gazette[2] -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 162.40.177.30 (talk • contribs).

Thanks for the link. For all I know, Luther Presley may have "written" it in 1938 (meaning written it down), but it certainly existed before. For example it was recorded as a gospel number by the Paramount Jubilee Singers back in 1923. MP3 sample. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 21:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barbecue Bob

I think this song is far too ubiquitous to have every version mentioned, but blues artist Barbecue Bob did a version of the song (would have been 1927-28) that had some other lyrics. MDuchek (talk) 18:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spinoffs

Back when I consolidated this article (see above), one feature was out of proportion to the rest. So many athletic teams use the song that merely naming them threatened to overwhelm the article. It seemed a good idea to create a separate page, When The Saints Go Marching In (sport), and move the entries there. By organising the teams by categories, fixing a standard layout for entries, and supplying links to the teams themselves, the new article made it easy for fans to include their favorite sides. They have done so, and the page is doing quite well, thank you.

It is now time to repeat the process. The removal of the sports entries to their own page granted space for the expansion of this article, and contributors have improved it beyond what was originally here. However, one type of contribution is problematic. So many artists have performed the song that, again, just listing them takes up too much space. Additionally, merely mentioning that singer X has recorded it, or that it plays when one scores on pinball machine Y, can for this article only be considered Trivia. Therefore, I have created a new article, When the Saints Go Marching In (artists), and transferred such information there. On that page such entries will be valuable contributions. Further, contributors will not feel constrained to limit themselves to the bare mention of particular performances, but will be free to expand on them.

It is now necessary to determine the proper place to draw the line in this article regarding artists. As Louis Armstrong was the one most responsible for bringing the song to full public consciouness, he belongs here. Anyone before him is, also, part of the historical development, and remains. Later artists may be considered as "covering" Armstrong, and should be noted on the new page. The exceptions are Fats Domino and Bill Haley, who get brief mentions here (and longer ones there), for transforming it to a rock-and-roll format.

Some Wikiproject announcements and categories have been shifted to the new article, where they make more sense. B00P (talk) 21:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)