Talk:Wheaton College (Illinois)

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Billy Graham didn't graduate from Wheaton. (added unsigned at 00:14, 6 August 2004 by 24.247.126.50)

But didn't he? --SeekingOne 02:40, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, he did. If reading his bio on Wikipedia isn't enough, Google "billy graham education bio" and it should be in nearly every bio you find. DavidGC 12:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Alumni 2 Criticism and controversy 3 Fair use rationale for Image:WheatonCollegeIL.gif 4 Blog Entry

[edit] Alumni

The article makes it sound like evolution is not taught at the school, when in fact it is

Well, it is taught by tenured teachers, but macro-evolution is ruled out by the college's statement of faith, which new teachers have to sign, I believe. --Micaso 05:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

All professors have to sign (or reaffirm) the Statement of Faith each year. This should not be taken as fool-proof evidence that "evolution is not taught at the school," however, as this has been a subject of *much* debate and contention in recent years among/between faculty and administrators. Anecdotally, every science professor I have had or come in contact with has vehemently taught a version of evolution (in contrast to a 6-day creation account). --GRR247, 26 November 2006

• The statement of faith [1] does not rule out macroevolution. Micaso's claim above is false. 128.138.207.233 23:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that Billy Graham's status as a graduated alumnus of Wheaton College is not really in question by anyone. The inclusion of Wes Craven and "The Detholz!" as alumni without at least additional information, however, is troubling. From all the sources I've seen, Wes Craven attended Wheaton but I've never seen a reliable, written assertion that he is indeed a graduate. Most of that relies on rumor/urban legend. Also, The Detholz! themselves state on their website (and in media interviews) that they did attend Wheaton, but that they were "kicked out" in 1996. (Hidden comments to this effect inserted in respective entries.) --GRR247, 26 November 2006

• Wes Craven did graduate from Wheaton College. His website's FAQ says "…and then I went back to Wheaton from '61-'64 and then graduated-or '63 rather-I graduated in the summer of '63." source – Aidje _talk 06:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism and controversy

Some editors have been removing the controversy section, with an appeal to WP:NPOV. Discussing criticism and controversy is not in violation of Wikipedia's neutrality policy. The policy states that the discussion should be nonbiased, and that we should not take a side or espouse a particular opinion on the issues presented. I think that the section in this article does a fair job of presenting facts rather than opinions. Most of the statements are about college policies or decisions which have resulted in controversy, but they never express an opinion such as "the College was right in deciding to ..." or "the College has the inappropriate policy of ..." On the contrary I think that the section does very well in noting that Weaton is criticised both for being too conservative, and for being too liberal. I do think that the section could use more sourcing, and a few less weasel words, but that's another issue. I don't feel like neutrality is being compromised.

Of course I'm open to suggestions- If you think that there really is a particular opinion being expressed, please do your best to make it more neutral. We'll work together- but deleting the whole thing isn't the solution. Staecker 12:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree that the controversy section takes a fairly moderate view, with the caveats that Staecker mentioned: namely, that some of the wording could be more neutral and that the section (and the whole article, for that matter) would benefit from more citation.

I’d like to propose a solution to the problem of tit-for-tat reversions on this page: could we recontextualize the controversy section by moving it further down in the article? I think we've got the cart before the horse. Maybe this is why the controversy section strikes some folks as having an agenda? Typically, a controversy section would follow after the author(s) has presented a subject’s basic facts.

Also, it seems to me that controversy surrounding something should be in its own section, rather than under “history.” As a longtime reader, now first time contributor (and Wheaton alum), I thought I’d add my two cents. Beowulf1 23:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:WheatonCollegeIL.gif

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[edit] Blog Entry

I'm wondering what other's opinions are of the blog entry (titled "A Major Flaw of Wheaton College") linked in the External Links section. To me, it seems non-encyclopedic and runs contrary to WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided #11. Since this particular link is somewhat negative about the college, I thought it best to get some input before just removing it. Thoughts? Hjg001 (talk) 19:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)