Talk:WHCB

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WHCB is broadcasted by the 501(c)(3) Appalachian Education Communications Corporation located within the Leitner Pharmaceuticals Building in Bristol, Tennessee. WHCB is re-broadcasted over WHGB 1230 AM in southwest Virginia.
Bee Cliff River Slob 04:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Regarding WHCB, WikiProject Radio Stations

Welcome to WikiProject Radio Stations. We are a group dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of radio stations.

[edit] Scope [excerpt]

  • This project's scope is mostly articles about individual radio stations. However, technology and content contributions are also appreciated, along with articles related to the people who produce such material.

[edit] Ownership [excerpt]

  • A station should be added to an appropriate ownership category (if it exists).

Ergo, Appalachian Education Communications Corporation and Information Communications Corporation

[edit] Body [excerpt]

Include a detailed history of the station. In addition, when applicable, include a complete call sign history. (For stations in the United States, the FCC database can help provide call sign history for as far back as about 1980.)

[edit] Neutralhomer

Please do not delete content from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to WHCB. Your edits do not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use Wikipedia:Sandbox for test edits. User:Neutralhomer
posted by Bee Cliff River Slob 05:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Neutralhomer deux (as posted originally to User Talk:Bee Cliff River Slob)

[edit] Radio Infoboxes and WP:WPRS Procedure

    • OK, on the WPWT, WHGB, and WHGG pages, as they stand now, they are correct under WP:WPRS procedure and the FCC Website, which is the standard site we go by. We do not add management or ratings information, it is not something that is added to any page on Wikipedia.T:C 04:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • What is this "we" your are talking about Neutralhomer ---do you have a mouse in your pocket, as you certainly are not following the Wiki goals of reaching consensus with others on the talk page before you start blanking off material from these radio articles in question.Bee Cliff River Slob 05:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
"We" as in the editors of Wikipedia. - NeutralHomer T:C 06:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Format

    • Also, "Motown, soul, and rock n' roll" is not a standard format, this would be classified under Oldies/Classic Rock.NeutralHomer T:C 04:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • WHGG 'The Mighty 1090" uses the "Motown, Soul, and Rock 'n Roll" as a pitch line - you might know this if you happened to be in the WHGG listening audience...Bee Cliff River Slob 03:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Then "Motown, Soul, and Rock 'n Roll" would be listed under slogan or branding, not format. - NeutralHomer T:C 04:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • By your earler admission "Motown, soul, and rock n' roll" is not a standard format, you are stating that it is a format all the same. And more importantly, it is accurate as to how the station management describes its own format.Bee Cliff River Slob 05:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
No, what I said was it would be listed under slogan or branding, not format. A slogan/branding is not the format. Also, they can describe the format as "a cross between a small child screaming and rush hour traffic" and it would still be Oldies/Classic Rock. - NeutralHomer T:C 06:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sister Stations

    • Under sister stations, we list only the call letters, not the branding, frequency or any other information. NeutralHomer T:C 04:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • This sister station labeling within the Infobox that you describe seems reasonable to me. Bee Cliff River Slob 05:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Good, we agree on something. - NeutralHomer T:C 06:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Air Date

    • The first air date is when the station went on the air first. If WXXX went on the air in 1955 as WGGG, but became WXXX in 1988, it's first air date is still 1955.T:C 04:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Duuuh, Homer - However, if you would bother to actually check the FCC query (for accuracy by Wiki standards) you would find that the feds list actual air dates by call signs AND transfers.Bee Cliff River Slob 03:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Yeah, where do you think I get this information? Magic 8 Ball? - NeutralHomer T:C 04:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Magic 8 Ball, Neutralhomer? No. But since you asked and given what you have been posting to both my talk page and the Tennessee radio stations in question, I am starting to think that you are pulling your revisions out of your ass as the following information provides examples of what I am finding at the FCC web site:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/call_hist.pl?Facility_id=42652&Callsign=WPWT
FCC Call Sign History
Current Call Sign: WPWT
Facility ID Number: 42652
Call Sign Begin Date
WPWT 05/06/1996
WZMC 07/15/1992
WFKB 01/18/1991
WPRQ 12/01/1984

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/call_hist.pl?Facility_id=64508&Callsign=WHGG
FCC Call Sign History
Current Call Sign: WHGG
Facility ID Number: 64508
Call Sign Begin Date
WHGG 05/05/2000
WKCV 04/09/1993
WGOC

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/call_hist.pl?Facility_id=19478&Callsign=WHGB
FCC Call Sign History
Current Call Sign: WHGB
Facility ID Number: 19478
Call Sign Begin Date
WHGB 10/25/2006
WOLD

According to your logic, KDKA-AM should be listed as 1920, but in fact lists no start date at all, WINC-FM should list as 1947, but lists as:
  • WINC-FM 01/01/1981
  • WQUS 06/18/1979
  • WRFL

....so it's start date was 1979, when it was really 1947? KDKA-AM never started at all cause it isn't listed? Did ya think maybe the FCC sucks at record keeping and I might have gotten my information from other source? - NeutralHomer T:C 06:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wattage

    • Wattage is listed by day and night power, or daytime only is necessary. It would be listed as...10,000 Watts daytime
      5,000 Watts nighttime

...or...
10,000 Watts daytime only

It would never be listed as 10 kwatts. Remember, you have to write your articles so that a lay person can understand them as well and within the guidelines and procedures.NeutralHomer T:C 04:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Let me see if I am following your revision correctly, Neuteredhomer:

1) you first say that posting 10,000 watts is less confusing to the "lay person" than is listing 10k watts, but;
2) you also list the WPWT frequency in the Infobox as 870 kHz as opposed to 870,000 Hz (or 870,000 Hertz)...

Sweet Jesus, NeutralHomer, make up your mind already.Bee Cliff River Slob 05:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

What the hell does those two things have anything to do with each other? People know it's an AM station, so they know it will be 870, 880, 890, etc. not 654, 702, 986. Same with FM. - NeutralHomer T:C 06:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Address, phone number

    • Also, we don't list where the station is located, address wise, because of WP:NOT#DIR, which states "Wikipedia is not the yellow pages." NeutralHomer T:C 04:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • You do realize, Neutralhomer, that the term Yellow Pages refers to the section of a telephone book wherein businesses and other entities place display advertising in order to entice consumers to make an inquiry about a good or service with the expectation that these same consumers will also be making purchases or goods and services from the Yellow Pages ad...?

What nonsense, Neutralhomer --- there is not any reasonable expectation for your argument that by placing the studio number of a call-in, talk radio show amounts to commercialization of a Wikipedia radio station article (e.g.: selling advertising for the station) , but rather the inclusion of such contact information does provide useful and accurate information to a reader of the same Wikipedia article. Likewise, there is not any reasonable expectation of commercialization of a Wikipedia radio station article by placing a music request line number within a Wikipedia radio station article of a radio station that features a music format. Bee Cliff River Slob 05:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yellow pages, White pages, doesn't matter, Wikipedia is not a phone book. Read WP:NOT#DIR. - NeutralHomer T:C 06:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tax exempt status

    • Even tax exempt status information is normally frowned upon as well.NeutralHomer T:C 04:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • "Frowned upon", Neutralhomer? The public FCC ownership records indicate either commercial or non-commercial licenses and the EIN of most tax exempt organizations (such as the Appalachian Education Communication Corporation) are also a matter of public record available through the IRS, or webstes such as www.guidestar.org. I would like to suggest a new guideline for all WikiProject Radio Stations members sharing your same editing style: cite it or bite it. Bee Cliff River Slob 05:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
We don't list stations as commerical or non-commerical, it is not part of the standard WPRS template. Don't like, propose a change. - NeutralHomer T:C 06:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Finally, we don't add schedules to a page, also because of WP:NOT#DIR, which states "an article on a radio station generally should not list upcoming events, current promotions, phone numbers, current schedules, etc."NeutralHomer T:C 04:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Perhaps Neutralhomer, you will elaborate on the Wiki difference between "generally should not" and "never". Bee Cliff River Slob 05:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
That rule, I didn't write. That rule was made long before you ever showed up, long before I ever showed up. Don't like it, propose a change, until there, obey the rule as it stands. NO schedules. It doesn't say "list a schedule if you feel like it", it doesn't say "put a schedule down because it looks good", it doesn't say "add a schedule because it will help people tell what is on that station", it says "an article on a radio station generally should not list upcoming events, current promotions, phone numbers, current schedules, etc." The only exceptions to that rule are ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, The CW, and My Network TV. There are a couple others, but they are not radio stations. WPWT-AM doesn't rank up there with NBC. Don't like it, propose a change. - NeutralHomer T:C 06:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rationalizing the blanking

    • There are certain rules that have to be followed for a article to remain within the set rules of Wikipedia, I don't make the rules, I just follow them. Also, there are set procedures with WP:WPRS, the group that watches over all the radio station articles on Wikipedia and keeps them within the Wikipedia Rules.

I would ask that you read over WP:NOT, WP:MOS, WP:WPRS among others. If you have further questions, please let me know. - NeutralHomer T:C 21:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

and to quote Ron White, "...next time you have a thought....don't". - NeutralHomer T:C 06:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)