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Contents 1 New Year's Honours 2 Fair use rationale for Image:Fpcf.jpg 3 s-ref template 4 Closure of SBS 5 Thank you 6 Kings of Italy 7 Perhaps this could be useful with regards to collapsible succession boxes... 8 Tagging templates for speedy deletion 9 Namesake template

[edit] New Year's Honours

		The Template Barnstar
		I hereby award you the Template Barnstar, in recognition of all your hard work on succession boxes, and more specifically the templates of the s-start series. May you keep up the good work. Waltham, The Duke of 23:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Fpcf.jpg

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[edit] s-ref template

Hi. I've been trying to use the s-ref template in the Ian Macfadyen article. I cannot get it to work for a reference, only for a note. Any ideas? Greenshed (talk) 17:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Closure of SBS

Long time no see, Darius. Unfortunately, participation in SBS has been too low for the project to function properly. I have thus been forced to declare its disbandment here. However, there seems to be some resistance by the members... Right now, I am under siege in my castle. Could you please talk some sense into them?

PS: Please send my carrier pigeon back; it's the only one I have. Waltham, The Duke of 13:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Goodness, Darius, I was only joking... "Talk some sense into them" was referring to the pitchfork-bearing mob they had supposedly formed; all you had to do was read the talk page first. I am sorry for this mess, but it also serves as a wake-up call: you have really distanced yourself from SBS. Are you sure this is how you want to continue?

PS: Even if it weren't for all this, I should have called on you one of these days because there are a couple of template-related discussions coming up, and you are the project's resident technician. Your input would be much valued. Waltham, The Duke of 03:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I've got to admit that I was rather shocked to see your response to my little joke; you've got me fooled, all right. I've also printed several "official" papers of various kinds in my school days, and I'm proud to say they've been very official-like according to my classmates. This one, you should know, has never been printed; I simply stitched together screenshots of the page in Microsoft Word, so that I wouldn't have to either print or scan it. It looks clearer, too. If you zoom in enough, you will see the pixels.

I understand your being busy; I also have several engagements in Real Life, and have been involved into various projects and initiatives on Wikipedia as well. I am particularly active in the Manual of Style and the Main Page's Errors page.

French is awful. It's a nice-sounding language, but its grammar is horribly difficult and its orthography is as bad as that of English. I had to study French for three years in junior high school; I remember a number of words (including numbers), but next to nothing grammar-wise.

We really should co-operate with Infoboxes; the two systems should be complementary, but a lack of communication between the two projects can only create problems and conflict. I'll see what I can do.

I don't know anything about s-ref's problems, but even if I did I couldn't help. I don't know anything about these things. That's why it's important you should participate in SBS discussions, at least the ones about technical matters. A few minutes of your time every week could do some difference without burdening you much. But there's no pressure. :-)

I hope you'll be able to successfully get by with your heavy schedule. And when you have more time, you're always welcome to come over my talk page and have a little chat like in the old times. :-D Waltham, The Duke of 23:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

First of all, please make up your mind: where do you want this conversation to take place? Here or on my talk page? This tennis-ball logic makes me dizzy.

Nice work on Napoleon's article; some order needed to be brought there. I have taken some care of the templates, replacing hyphens with en dashes (one should always use en dashes in date ranges) and removing useless year links. The templates' names were wrong in a couple of them as well; you might want to be careful there, because such mistakes make the v/d/e links take an editor to another template, or nowhere at all.

Ah, Darius... I don't know if you've realised it yet, but I am with the Dash Police now. I have been quite active at the Manual of Style, and as a result (of this and of other things) I have changed quite a bit from what you might remember. My editing personality is a little different (more mature, I suppose); even my English has improved. For instance, remember the WAF debate? I have come to realise that we were wrong; blinded, perhaps, by our new-found zeal, we wanted to use succession boxes in pages where that would be unsuitable. You must have changed your mind as well, because I have now noticed that you've had s-fic tagged for speedy deletion. I don't understand why the petition was rejected; the template is not used anywhere.

Your new idea of a page for navboxes is an interesting one. We really need to work with the Infobox people, in order to make our systems complementary instead of conflicting. We also need to settle the dates format at some point, once and for all, as its conflicting the Manual of Style has often come up. Basically, we have lots of things to do. Your taking this initiative with navboxes makes my next question sound quite plausible: Have you decided to return to SBS in earnest? I don't want to press you, but I am finding it increasingly hard to keep SBS on my own. My ever increasing workload at school and in other sectors of Wikipedia on one hand, and the perennially small participation in the project on the other, do not allow for a smooth process. If you stayed, however, we could move things along more easily.

(You have said that you've had to leave your other Wikipedia projects due to a lack of time, but I haven't really seen you work in any other projects so far—just the mainspace. I'd like to know where you were active, both out of curiosity and in case we could find some common links.)

Now, if we are to work on SBS, on-Wiki communication may not suffice. I have tried to contact you by e-mail, but you don't seem to have the feature activated. (May I be so indiscreet as to ask why?) I wonder if you've heard of Skype; it can be extremely useful for brainstorming (I already have a few ideas I'd like to discuss). I say that you should consider it seriously; I am using it to communicate with a couple of other Wikipedians, and it is a wholly different experience (real-time discussions and all).

Please answer all the questions; we have lots of catching-up to do, and time is of the essence. Waltham, The Duke of 04:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

PS: You should archive once in a while; you've got messages dating from 2003 in here!

PPS: One of these days I intend to create a To-do list for the project in my SBS subpage, which I have recently converted to general-use. I have a long list of things that need to be done in my laptop, and this could help us organise a little better, and set some priorities.

PPPS: About a month ago, I installed a wireless Internet connection; it's a little slow, but now I can log in wherever I want, whenever I want. If you'd look at my edit count, you'd see that my edits have nearly doubled in March in comparison to my average. This is turning into an addiction... Waltham, The Duke of 04:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hi Darius, thank you for your message and liberality. I am wondering if there is a program on wiki where you list your ancestors linearly (even several generation) and from that it generates a family tree. Let me know if this question is not clear.

Another question. The family history and family tree categories are under the strict rule of "notability" or not?

Thank you much, Adrian Comollo (talk) 15:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kings of Italy

As the template's creator, could you address my comments at Template talk:Antique Kings of Italy? Thanks. Srnec (talk) 05:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Perhaps this could be useful with regards to collapsible succession boxes...

...although, to be honest, I have no idea. The link is Wikipedia:VPT#Infobox titles centered with the .5Bhide.5D/.5Bshow.5D button?; these things disappear fast in the Village Pump, so look up the last archive if you are too late. Waltham, The Duke of 02:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tagging templates for speedy deletion

Please do not tag in-use templates for speedy deletion. It makes it very confusing to figure out where the tags are coming from as the speedy deletion tags are included onto pages that transclude the template. If you need to tag something in template space for speedy deletion other than with {{db-t3}} (which is a special tag), you should always use noinclude tags around it. WP:CSD#Templates under T3 gives the conditions under which unused templates may be deleted. Please see {{db-t3}} for usage instructions ... the short version of it is that if you use {{db-t3|~~~~~|TemplateName}} and if nobody has used the template in that time, it will be deleted. This special tag includes the name of the template so if somehow the template were to be used subsequent to tagging, it makes it easy to figure out where the speedy deletion tag is coming from. --B (talk) 18:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Namesake template

Yes, I was hoping to insert these into infoboxes once the nomenclature was firmed up. Deciding what "namesake" actually means to everyone so it wasn't ambiguous and would need further changing was my hope. Forlorn, since no one has come up with any other suggestions. I think the idea was kind of cute, but no, not really a succession per se. Hate to delete it but no one has picked up on it either. Oh, well. Death to the unused! Student7 (talk) 19:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)