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I guess there is no reason to write down that its motto used to be "Chicago's very own channel 9"? 68.63.79.72 04:45, 13 December 2005

  • Too late. It's in the InfoBox. :) Wahkeenah 04:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Logos

Awesome collection of logos. Now if someone could find the logo from the early 60s showing the Prudential Building (assuming I'm remembering the correct station), that would be something. Then there was the one from the early 80s or so which showed WGN "orbiting" around the big 9, accompanied by, of all things, the opening instrumental notes from Roger Whittaker's "The Last Farewell"... Wahkeenah 12:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I have never seen the logo you state from the 1960's - The station lost most of it's old video because of re-use of video tape until about the 1980's. It was a money saving move, but so much great video is lost forever because of it.

The 1980's orbiting logo I don't recall - I have video tapes back to 1982, (this is how WGN got most of their old video, from collectors, they had to be wealthy to have video recorders prior to 1980.)

1980 News had a logo of a similar to what you state, but believe it was just a white star like dot, unless my TV reception was that bad back then. WGN used to come in quite good though. The logo was shared with the Independent News (from New York's WPIX Tribune station) though not the same as the WGN version. Kidsheaven 22:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to User:A Man In Black, the logos have been deleted from Wikipedia, claiming that they violate policy. I notice that he violated policy himself by immediately deleting the images and not waiting the 7 days and notifying the uploader as required by WP:CSD. Please see discussion on Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Historical logos in galleries to help determine how to resolve the general issue. DHowell 23:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "turner time?"

No mention of their former practice of starting programs at :05 and :35 rather than on the hour; Do they still do this? when did they start & stop?

  • You must be thinking of TBS Superstation. There, Turner Time was used from 1983-1997, and still used on a semi-regular basis (specifically when re-running SATC.

[edit] Be on the lookout...

A editor using the IP address "75.3.82.7" has been poorly editing this article by making various stylistic errors. I have re-reverted back to previous (stylistically correct) versions but this user continues to flip back to their version, which can be considered as vandalism. Rollosmokes 07:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You've got to be kidding...

Didn't realize "Rollosmokes" was assigned as the sole editor of this page. If so, he should consider confirming his claims before posting. Contacting WGN-TV would be a good start. He'll find the corrections that were made by "75.3.82.7" were actually corrections and not "vandalism." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.82.7 (talk • contribs) 10:29, 12 June 2006 (EDT)

The problem that I'm having is with the many changes in style that this unknown editor has been making in their effort to "correct" this article. They are as follows:

  • there is no -AM suffix attached to WGN radio officially, so it does not belong here.
  • Single-digit numbers, in most cases, should be written in word form and not numerically.
  • The word channel should have a lower-case "c" and not an upper-case "C" when not starting a sentence (this is basic grammar).
  • Your additions are full of redundancy, such as your repeated mentions of "WGN-TV Channel 9 and WGN-DT Channel 9.1", and your insistence to add "WGN-DT" in other places.

In a nutshell, you (whomever you claim to be) are a poor editor with no idea on how to write an article, what to change and what not to change. You don't even have the bravery to take accountability for your "work" by registering with Wikipedia and getting a screenname. But it doesn't matter, because you can still be blocked. And I will continue to revert this article as long as I continue to see your vandalism. Rollosmokes 16:47, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Not vandalism so Rollosmokes and 75.3.82.7 becareful about WP:3RR rule. 75.3.82.7 please see WP:MOS before you revert further. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 17:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

In response to last posting by "Rollosmokes":

  • Since he identified WGN Radio's channel position as "720", I added that it was on the "AM" dial.
  • Single-digit numbers, in most cases, should be written in word form and not numerically. But television channel positions, whether they're single-digit or not, in most cases, are written numerically and not word form.
  • The word channel should have an upper-case "C" and not a lower-case "c" when identifying a television channel position (this is journalistic grammar).
  • "WGN-TV Channel 9" and "WGN-DT Channel 9.1" are separate.

As for the remaining corrections "Rollosmokes" didn't refer to here, I also stand by them. I've never been in a pissing match with anyone on Wikipedia before. Apparently, I'm not the first that has with "Rollosmokes." Instead of stooping to name-calling, threats and false accusations as he has, and since he obviously has much more free time on his hands than I, I'm going to walk away from this and let him post whatever he chooses. I only suggest, again, that he not only researches but confirms his claims before he permanently posts them. Thanks.

[edit] Trivia

How is The Weatherman's station based off of wgn? It's definitely not clear to me.

The station let the producers of the film use their studios for the weather segments, and gave clearance to them for a modified logo/channel to fit their movie. The same thing was done between Life or Something Like It and Seattle's KOMO-TV. Nate 03:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Can't show you any link to it, but it was actually filmed at the Bradley Place Studio of WGN-News. They had promotional (news) segments added around the release of that film and Tom Skilling did participate and is listed it the credits of the movie. That he would want to be associated with the film is sort of questionable to me, however for over $1,000,000 a year he will do almost anything. He did work with a puppet in Milwaukee at Channel-6 before coming to the Chicago market. Tom stated "the puppet used to receive more fan mail than he did". Reference Source WGN-TV segment on station history and WTTW- Chicago Tonight. Kidsheaven 23:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is an interesting link on Tom Skilling getting out of Jury Duty: [1] Kidsheaven 23:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FCC RULES-Subject to comment

I don't know if the person posting personal comment about being sad that the Tribune Company might be split-up. IF you read this it is not what is allowed by rules for the NPOV rules on the Wiki article page. *** The place where you placed the comment was after the text of the FCC seeking comment on such cross ownership rules that allow the TRIBUNE company to own a TV-Radio-Newspaper combo in Chicago and TV-Newspaper in New York and temporary rule for such markets as L.A., and others. Don't feel it is any insult to your comment. I have similar opinion, but only on the discussion page can it be placed other than mentioning comments that are published in other forums- I.E.> use source reference to Editorial by Joe Q. Publisher in the website, newspaper, book, TV, or other reference.

You can however send your comments to the FCC at the link or to a newspaper owned by the Tribune company kidsheaven 23:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

FCC Comments Link [1]'FCC current rules - subject to comment at present' Sorry if anyone looking in the edit section or reference thought this was to put comments on the WGN-TV article section. kidsheaven 23:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Florida

This station is broadcast as one of the basic cable channels in Florida and has been for 15-20 years now. I grew up watching the Bulls and Cubs game on it. This isn't mentioned I'll insert it by next weekend if it's not put in by then. Quadzilla99 19:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah I was thinking of Superstation WGN I see. Quadzilla99 05:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use criteria

The use of images not in compliance with our fair-use criteria or our policy on nonfree content is not appropriate, and the images have been removed. Please do not restore them. — Κaiba 20:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization dispute

TV9 and Rollosmokes, please. Either try and give discussion another go or move to the other steps in the dispute resolution process. Morgan Wick 19:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I tried discussion, and it didn't work. "TV9" seems to be very stubborn on getting his way, despite the possible WP:COI problems that may exist. Dispute resolution is very likely for this "very minor, but major" problem. Rollosmokes 05:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Call Stations

I'm curious, how many channels in the country have a three letter call sign? CBS in my city is WBBM, NBC is WMAQ, although, ABC in chicago is WLS, but there aren't many more that i know of. Anyone know of any more? i don't think there are a lot —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihavasthma91 (talk • contribs) 21:49, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Wgn2001 a.jpg

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[edit] Here we go again...

Recent edits made to this article on February 21, 2008, have proven one thing: no matter who attempts to make as much as a single solitary change here of any kind, be trusted that TV9 will do everything make sure no one else edits the article unless it is done in a manner which (s)he approves. Some of us are guilty of that once and a while, but there has to be a level of reason. TV9 has no reason, and I'm tired of being singled out by him/her.

First, let's go to the logo pictures. RingtailedFox added logos (s)he found off some website (the name of which escapes me right now) on October 26, 2007. ([2]) No one touched the logo pictures from that point until today, when I modified the look of the gallery by importing a format similar to ones I've see elsewhere on Wikipedia (and plugged into the WJW-TV article). I also eliminated some redundant pictures that feature the same logo only with different backgrounds. (The fact that RingtailedFox uploads every single logo associated with the station -- even the same logos with different backgrounds -- is something I wish (s)he would pay more attention to, but I'm digressing.)

The article has been edited 61 times between now and then. TV9 edited the article only three times in that time span. Since (s)he is suspected of being a sockpuppet, it's quite possible the same user may have edited other times using unregistered IP addresses. But TV9 never touched any of the pictures until after I modified the logo gallery. The WGN corporate logos were used on-air by channel 9; these two clips ([3], [4]) show the WGN "Globe" in use, and the 1967 logo included the main WGN logo, so their inclusion in the gallery is valid. This is an accurate edit that was changed unnecessarily, in my opinion, out of spite against me.

Secondly, on the ongoing "The" vs. "the" issue. TV9 accused me of vandalism for changing the words in a comment he made on Azumanga1's talk page recently. It is simply a correction of grammar, and TV9 still doesn't seem to understand that. I made other minor changes to the article at that time and the were all reverted to TV9's preferred version. No matter what he or anyone else says, The should not be capitalised when it appears within a sentence. All writing style guides will tell you the same thing (man, I sound like a broken record here). And, this may comes to a shock to TV9, but not everyone refers to the CW as "The CW". The Penguin Handbook advises writers to "captalize the initial letters of proper nouns." The word the is used as a "function word", a preposition, or an adjective, but it is not a proper noun, and nothing is said there (or in any other style guide) that it should be capitalised within a sentence.

As writers, we all should be aware of proper usage of style and grammar, regardless of anything else -- PERIOD. The sooner we all understand this, the better off we all will be. TV9 needs to stop nitpicking and stop trying to claim the article as his/her own. Rollosmokes (talk) 20:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, recent as well as past edits to this and other articles edited by Rollosmokes have proven that no matter who attempts to make as much as a single solitary change to any article that he treats as his own, be trusted that he will do everything to make sure no one else edits those articles unless it is done in a manner which he approves.
Rollosmokes has been repeatedly instructed by Wikipedia editors to cease reverting "The CW" and "The WB" to "the CW" and "the WB" since "The" is part of the name of each network, regardless of his incorrect claims that "the" should never be capitalized within a sentence even if it is a name or title. "The CW" and "The WB" are even capitalized within the sentences of their own respective Wikipedia articles. Instead, Rollosmokes has again chosen to disregard the editors' instructions and resumed edit warring on February 13, 2008.
As for your complaint about my deletion of the two logos, I did so because those were not exclusive WGN-TV logos. Those logos were for "WGN Continental Broadcasting Company", which included WGN Radio. I did not do so to spite you. In fact, I will compromise and not delete those logos.
As for your "sock puppet" remark, I've never pretended to be someone else. As I've previously stated, as a newcomer to Wikipedia, I did not sign in every time I went on or edited on Wikipedia until a few months ago when I was instructed by Azumanga1 that it was always a requirement before editing.
As for my recent abscence from editing on Wikipedia, I don't spend a lot of time on the website but when I do notice an error, I will correct it. TV9 (talk) 00:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

It may well be that TV9 is a WGN employee or something, but the changes he's been making look legitimate. The logos themselves, which Rollosmokes has been defending elsewhere, say "The WB" and "The CW" in them. Other nitpicky stuff, such as (Which...) vs. (which...) - the second one would seem to be correct. I don't see where any of TV9's changes have any connection to any alleged "conflict of interest". Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

As I've been saying here time and time again, it's proper grammar: the function word The should never be capitalized within a sentence. Heck, the use of the isn't even mandatory in titles. Every major writing style guide will tell you that. If we want Wikipedia to be all it can be -- and be taken seriously by more outsiders -- small stuff like this needs to be taken care of.
And, TV9 has outed him/herself as an employee of Tribune Company -- this user first edited using a Tribune-registered IP address, so there is a conflict of interest here. For the sake of proper writing style, I'm reverting back. Rollosmokes (talk) 06:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
No matter who his employer is, he has the right to make grammatical corrections. I don't see that any of his changes have any connection to any alleged conflict of interest. And as far as I know, a title that begins with "The" is supposed to be capitalized. An example would be The Sporting News (which now calls itself Sporting News). Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
"The CW", when used by itself, is a valid title and begins with a capital "T", as indicated on its own page. When talking about it in a sentence, "the CW Network" seems OK. That's like The Chicago Tribune as a standalone title, vs. "the Tribune". Likewise "Channel 9" (in the context of comparing with another station's call letters) is a title and gets a capital "C" (earlier, when simply referring to which channel WGN-TV was assigned to, it's properly lower case). I put Frazier in parentheses for consistency. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Ordinarily, Rollo, you're correct about the word "the" in a sentence. However, in the case of "The CW Television Network", "The CW", "The WB Television Network" and "The WB", the word "the" is a part of the title, and specifically the first word of the title, so in this case, it should be capitalized. dhett (talk • contribs) 21:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

You need to explain specifically, for each item, what your problem is with the edits, and how those edits in any way reflect an alleged "conflict of interest". Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 09:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Before anyone loses their carrots...

My reasons for deleting the information on the LATV subchannel are discussed in Talk:WPIX. But I'll copy my comment from there:

I removed the information for one main reason -- the subchannel is scheduled to begin carrying LATV later in 2008. None of these articles ([5], [6]) mention when LATV will begin on the subchannel, and I can't verify that it's on the air myself, as I don't have access to any DTV signals at home. When LATV puts (affected Tribune station) on its affiliate list ([7]), or when (affected Tribune station) plugs LATV on its website, then those official sources should be credited. But, if it isn't officially launched yet, let's not be presumtive.

It's a digital subchannel, and it's not a major network affiliation, so it should not be treated as a big deal. Once the Tribune stations announce a date for launching LATV, then fine. Get dates and then put the info back up. Rollosmokes (talk) 16:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't explain your continual "grammatical" reversions of "The WB" and such. That is proper usage. There is no grammatical issue with it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 16:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Eh (munching on a carrot), read this, Doc. You missed it, it's in the above section:
"The should not be capitalised when it appears within a sentence. All writing style guides will tell you the same thing (man, I sound like a broken record here)...Not everyone refers to the CW as "The CW". The Penguin Handbook advises writers to "captalize the initial letters of proper nouns." The word the is used as a "function word", a preposition, or an adjective, but it is not a proper noun, and nothing is said there (or in any other style guide) that it should be capitalised within a sentence. As writers, we all should be aware of proper usage of style and grammar, regardless of anything else -- PERIOD. The sooner we all understand this, the better off we all will be."
That's my reasoning, and I'm sticking to it. Rollosmokes (talk) 17:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
As several of have told you "The WB" is a title, and should be capitalized. And I don't care that "not everyone" calls it "The WB". The company calls itself that, and that's what counts. And you know it calls itself that from the contents of the logos you keep defending. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
And you all are still missing the point: Regardless of whether or not it refers to a title, it's still incorrect use of grammar. When leading off a sentence, it's "The CW", but when it's not leading off, it's "the CW" -- no capital T. Read the style guides, then come back and re-argue your point. And, should you revert back, Doc, do not remove the very valid digital television section. Rollosmokes (talk)
And I say you're wrong. But in any case, stop changing it in the infobox. Its use there is a standalone, and "The CW" is absolutely correct there. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 06:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
And also, "The WB". Ironically, if you had let the deletionists have their way, you would be in better position to make your argument. The logos say "The CW", therefore that's what it is. It doesn't matter that "not everyone" calls it "The CW". That's what they call it, and it is they who define their corporate name, not someone else. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 06:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
And its placement in the infobox is not a sentence, it's strictly a title. And you also have yet to explain where the alleged "conflict of interest" by that one user figures into it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I reiterate - those networks called themselves "The CW" and "The WB". That is their title, not "CW" and "WB". They choose what their title is, not you or anyone else. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)