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Contents 1 Just like Heaven (song) 2 Delivery 3 Synth rock restored 4 The Blackest Night 5 Hulk (Comics) 6 Popular Music Sites 7 Kitty Pryde 8 Nirvana 9 Back 10 This Charming Man 11 Janet Jackson 12 In Rainbows 13 Silly reply 14 Chronic Town 15 Hey 16 Re: The Chronic 17 Re:Blur 18 American revolution 19 Hoodoo Gurus not New Wave? 20 Mea culpa 21 Disaster 22 Radiohead Taskforce 23 Kubrick 24 List of Arctic Monkeys awards 25 Yo... 26 Leonard Cohen 27 Alt Rock source 28 Eminem 29 Newsletter 30 WikiProject Alternative music Newsletters 31 REM UK Chart placings 32 WesleyDodds is tired 33 Accelerate 34 Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Alternative_music#Magazine_request 35 Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Strapping Young Lad 36 The last Goldfrapp‎ album is excellent 37 A few things 38 Thriller 39 Wikipedia:Peer review/Beyoncé Knowles/archive1 40 Batman 41 english inkies 42 Totally interviewed 43 Frusciante pic 44 Wreacked 45 (See the Sky) About to Rain 46 Disco R.E.M. 47 ALM 48 The Clash article has been rated as GA-Class 49 WikiProject Alternative music Newsletter 50 They are so depressing 51 Disintegration 52 Hey Jude 53 Singles Going Steady 54 Album charts for Badmotorfinger 55 Reviews & cites 56 grunge 57 This Mortal Coil 58 Diorama 59 Sinestro Corps War 60 Madonna 61 Thriller - Themes and genre 62 Sandman 63 Supergrass Peer Review 64 White Stripes 65 Thank you 66 David Grohl 67 Smashing Pumpkins 68 Thanks for your help! 69 Sugar kisses ... 70 They'll be drawing straws inside the courtroom 71 Wikicookie 72 Joy Division 73 Done ;) 74 Piper LP 75 The Cure and Carliertwo 76 Knockin' back Prozac 77 Bridge 78 Charts 79 Foo Fighters 80 Newsletter 81 WikiProject Alternative music newsletter 82 NIN man 83 peer review 84 Everyhit.com 85 The Beatles‎ 86 a-ha 87 The Beatles 88 Joy Division Zune 89 Cheap Trick 90 More NIN! 91 Teen Spirit revert 92 Kerrang! Legends: Foo Fighters, 2007 93 Drain You 94 Oldies

[edit] Just like Heaven (song)

Wesley, how's it coming? Separating the FACs that are waiting for Raul, or use non-reliable sources, this is now our longest-running FAC. Can indopug or Tuf-Kat's concerns be resolved? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Delivery

Is it ready for this month? xihix(talk) 20:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for being late, I'm having a little trouble with WP:AWB... xihix(talk) 00:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Synth rock restored

This article has been restored after its deletion was contested at Wikipedia:Deletion review. As you nominated the article to be deleted via WP:PROD, you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion.--Tikiwont (talk) 14:47, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Blackest Night

Main article: Green Lantern: The Blackest Night

Hey, I'm looking for people to help me out with the creation of this article, care to lend a hand? --CmdrClow (talk) 09:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Because the entire run has been building toward this event, there is already a wealth of information through every issue which can be used in the article. --CmdrClow (talk) 09:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hulk (Comics)

One note off topic. THANK YOU for the book recommendation. I've been hoping to get Iron Man up to a good GA before the movie, and could NOT get any help sourcing his communist bent. Comic Book nation does that well! ThuranX (talk) 00:01, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

In library now, will check it out tonight. It's wan on actual Hulk analysis overall, esp. in relation to Grest. Weinberg's science of superheros, or Simcha Weinstein's Up UP and Oy vey, but it'll help, no doubt, with Hulk, and hopefully other articles. I'm also looking at Tales to Astonish, by Ronin Ro, but... it' a bit more history of Marvel than of the characters, and covers most of the major character creations ins a paragraph, LOL - shows that the focus changes the coverage. ThuranX (talk) 00:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

see here. ThuranX (talk) 03:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Popular Music Sites

Hi Wesley,

You mentioned that PureVolume, being a website for bands to host mp3s, is not suitable as a source. Is this because a source should be a 3rd-party human being who has done original research or synthesis? I realize that PureVolume (and any site that collects and presents data about usage) can present results that are made inaccurate through sockpuppets, but it still ends up being less slanted and biased than human beings, don't you think? Dscotese (talk) 00:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kitty Pryde

Hi Wesley. Thanks for helping out with the page. I haven't read that issue yet, but I did read an issue summary, so I tried to edit it back to standards. Thanks for fixing that one, though. At least that nonsense is over now.Luminum (talk) 05:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nirvana

Are you still working on a style and influences section for Nirvana? The article could use some cleanup and more info, especially considering it is a FA. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 01:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Back

I'm now able to edit Wikipedia regularly for a change. Thanks for watching over the TFA/R page while I was away; I'm sure I'll be able to post a request soon, as most of the current ones are before the 20th. I guess my main issue was the fact that I haven't had an article featured on the main page yet; I can think of a few reasons why. I remember nominating Pixies on the old WP:TFA/R and watching it slide down the list for about a year! By the way, I plan to resume my work on The Replacements, but I'll be able to help. Any articles in particular that you're working on the moment? (which reminds me, I should really finish Double Nickels on the Dime's music section.) CloudNine (talk) 21:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This Charming Man

Any interest in co-noming the above dittie within a few days. A bit of work between now and then is needed, but nothing major. Ceoil (talk) 15:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and nom'd wittout your say. If you could pick up the broken bottles, bones and teeth in my wake, that would be great. Ceoil (talk) 17:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

What the hell. Top! Way on down south....in London Town...I'm auld enough to rember to rember when this stuff was cool.........deary me. Movies please. Ceoil (talk) 22:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes....Funky as fuck. I'm a big Micheal fan. Ceoil (talk) 22:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Great Wesley; do you have few electo links to back that up? Ceoil (talk) 23:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Eek!! Ceoil (talk) 22:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Have an average version of an exceptional song by an exceptional band, from a really great city (honest). If you ever get bored, their 1st EP is just brilliant; just don't confuse it with the distarous 2nd EP, or their catastrophic debut LP. Ceoil (talk) 01:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Relvant how. Dude, its tuesday. Ceoil (talk) 11:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Good answear. Any ideas for a third lead para. Ceoil (talk) 11:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

At 3.35 this elecrto classic getS interesting in a big way. Oh 1991 where have you gone. Ceoil (talk) 14:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'm done with the Charming man page, and moving on. Did you see the sock puppet activity on Outriggrs page? Very worring and illegal, and to beat it all it decendeded into a hug fest. I hate hugging; if you were an admin I'd ask yopu to block the man for being the way he is; a right, total fucking fecker. I have the flu today; have a cat standing on my head looking for food, but do not have energy to save him...Probably I could make it down the stairs, but I fear for the likelyhood I'll make it back up. [cough]. The more I throw pillows and underpants at the fucker the more determined he becomes. Ceoil (talk) 15:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Look at what I found....Its shit, but great! And has a hot bird at 2.51. Ceoil (talk) 19:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Please. Ceoil (talk) 11:53, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Janet Jackson

hello,

Since you've done such fantastic work on various musical artist's pages, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind giving the Janet Jackson article a quick overview and leaving some comments on the article's talk page, esp. concerning the article's introduction and the validity of the sources of various statements. If you do, thankyou in advance. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 06:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou for all your input! Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 00:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, I was wondering if you happened to agree with the current criticism of the JJ article presented in FAC. I want to maintain critical distance, but it seems like there is an undesirable focus on the superbowl, which is heavily discussed in the article and has its own independent article as well. Plus, it bothers me somewhat that I've seen several music artist articles that are less comprehensive than JJ and use far less diversified sources that are still promoted to FA and kept as FA after going through FAR. You don't have to reply in FAC, I just wanted a outside opinion. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 21:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

thats cool. I'm not a significant contributor to the MJ related articles. I just help out at times when User:Realist2 makes a request. Thriller obviously needs some work, im not sure why they pulled the request for peer review. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 00:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. One of the things that came up in FAC for Janet was a "musical style" section, which I must admit I'm lost on. I'm sure I could get the ball rolling, but I need a place to start. I know she's done about ever genre of music, but I don't know how to describe her style. Any suggestions? Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 08:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering, is there anyway to cite a CD case itself? I'm working on Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 and there's a tiny bit of info in the packet that i can't find online. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It's the dedication to her mother on the interior.

This album is deticated to my mother, Katherine Jackson. I have never known a more beautiful, caring, loving, understanding and intelligent woman than you, mother. Someday I hope to be exactly like you. I love you with all my heart.
-Janet

I guess it could be considered trivial, but it seemed nice enough to be mentioned in the article. Thoughts? The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In Rainbows

Thanks for your help in getting it featured. I'm deciding on whether to work to get OK Computer featured - which looks relatively easy - or working on some non-Radiohead related articles, probably (What's the Story) Morning Glory. Atlantik (talk) 11:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Silly reply

I'm into most alt rock; right now I'm listening to a lot The Strokes and The Libertines, and am working on their discographies (Do you like either of them?). I plan to work on Is This It sometime in the future; thing is for me its easier to source (online) newer bands compared to old ones. I wouldn't mind working on R.E.M. discography with you in a week or so. indopug (talk) 10:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Vitalogy looks good enough for FA pending maybe a slight CE/cleanup and a an oversee of sources to check for comprehensiveness. Sure I'll help out with Mellon Collie, I love the Pumpkins. Also don't hesitate to ask for music samples, especially of popular songs, I think I can take care of that.

I was hoping you could help with The Libertines discography; that's pretty much done except for the the second para of the lead, the overview of their career. Do you see anything to be added and improved in "Touch Me I'm Sick"? Once I'm in the mood again I'll polish the legacy section and send it to FAC. indopug (talk) 10:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chronic Town

Would be an excellent choice. Its great, and you can squeeze in loads of background info. How was weekend? Ceoil (talk) 21:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

Hey i noticed your verey good at getting articles up to FA. Ive nominated the Thriller (album) for GA statues. I was wondering if you could read it and leave some advise on the talk page about possible improvements. I only want to get it up to GA statues (wiki would never give a MJ article an FA statues anyway lol). Yours Realist2 (talk) 14:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Yikes, i really have no idea how to do all that, thanx for the advice though. Cheers. Realist2 (talk) 22:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: The Chronic

Hi, thanks for the tip, i never tried any of those sites for sources so i'll go through them and have a look now. By the way, what do you think of the article ? It's been on the GA nomination list for ages, hopefully it'll be reviewed sometime this year lol. Again, thanks. - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 16:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Blur

That would be 13 onwards right? indopug (talk) 08:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

You think we can include a promo pic under fair-use? The band have broken up haven't they? indopug (talk) 08:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Rowntree and James, on CC2.0 license with permission to modify the images; so i think they're cool to use without asking permission. Only thing is I don't know Photoshop and can't remove the red eye in the Rowntree pic unless I use something crude like MS Paint. Here's a set of good James pics, but they're all with a "No derivatives" license, so I don't think they can be uploaded at Commons. Do you want to ask the uploader to change the license? indopug (talk) 07:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I guess I could start later in the day. How exactly would we go about this (together)? I make the tables, you handle the sourcing? I'll fix up a table for Studio albums tonight based on Nirvana discography. Also, I imagine that R.E.M. would have charted everywhere, so which world charts should we include (because there might be too many). indopug (talk) 07:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the best way to handle that re-issue situation is to list the single in the table at original release date but list the higher chart entries, with a asterix ([I]} pointing out "_____ single charted higher in UK when reissued in <year>" and maybe also a "Only higher charting listed here. Another thing, listing B-sides may not be necessary at all; read Drewcifer's comments here. Then again, if there are noteworthy B-sides, it might be better to list them. indopug (talk) 10:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey should we back up the print sources in Studio albums with those from everyhit.co.uk, RIAA, and BPI so that readers can easily verify for themselves? Also while searching on any of the chart sites check for variations like "REM" too; BPI didn't show anything for "R.E.M."! R.E.M. Live should be in a live albums section. indopug (talk) 11:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] American revolution

Ideally a lead should reflect events both proportionally to their actual importance and proportionally to their coverage in the article, as is described in Wikipedia:LEAD#Relative_emphasis. It is true that the French involvement isn't covered as much as it should be, but the French entry into the war, their aliance with other European powers, their financial contribution, their fleet being involved and their participation n the battle at Yorktown are covered. This, combined with the actual importance importance of the French involvement for the success of the revolution, makes it legitimate, in my opinion, to include it in the intro. -Duribald (talk) 09:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree it's really bad, although it's not badly written - it's been edited into FUBAR. I'll replace it with something better when I'm back from risking three reverts blocking. -Duribald (talk) 10:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be an edit war - although the policy is there to prevent them. The exceptions are rather few and "When in doubt do not revert." But I'll do it as soon as possible- -Duribald (talk) 10:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hoodoo Gurus not New Wave?

In editing Hoodoo Gurus (HG) recently you contended that HG are not New Wave and so suggested that this genre should be removed from the article. As I understand it New Wave evolved from punk and one of its sub-genre's is Power pop. Whilst HG are often referred to as college/alternate rock this disregards their earlier punk/post-punk work as Le Hoodoo Gurus (see Australian punk rock site for examples).

Another reference for HG initially being Punk/New Wave at review of Tunnel Vision.

Furthermore, many references to their Power pop style are given by sources within the HG article.

I dispute your contention and believe the article should retain the New Wave genre appellation. A copy of this note has been added to Talk:Hoodoo Gurus.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply at my talk page, I've cut and pasted it to Talk:Hoodoo Gurus and will direct my future replies there. I'm hoping to get other opinions on this discussion.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mea culpa

So sorry I went to go rollback myself and I noticed you already had; thanks. I had forgotten that "rollback" undoes all the consecutive edits by a Wikipedian if his edits are most recent. And I checked the usage on {{Infobox album}} and you were correct. Again, I apologize. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disaster

MBV are playing Electric Picnic the same day that my idiot but oddly charming cousin is getting married. Fuck it, him, and all that belong to him. Ceoil (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Time you staraighted youself right out...... cornered; msg to you, rude boaaaye. Ceoil (talk) 20:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Links needed now; you lazy decdant american bastard. Ceoil (talk) 21:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Nothing in paticular. Ceoil (talk) 21:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

"YELLE "JE VEUX TE VOIR" New video !!!" Wow. Cheese? No problem. j'adore ce titre je ne peu pas m'en pa. Ceoil (talk) 12:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

To be fair how great is this? [1] Pretty fucking great, thats how Ceoil (talk) 12:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

You probably got this before. Here again, more, and similar. Oh, mark. Ceoil (talk) 21:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I was born I was dead. Ceoil (talk) 21:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Shalamar? No idea what you are on about. Today was brought to me by buzzcocks 'fast cars'. Uh they make me dizzy Ceoil (talk) 22:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm a tool. get it now. evil laugh: Ha hahaa ha ah aaah, splutter <cough> Ceoil (talk) 22:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I broke up with a german bird last year; let me tell you there is nothing funny about that country. Thanks for link. Its cheese but excellent. Ceoil (talk) 22:37, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Im trying Trout Mask Replica again. Its good and fun, but Im not drawn to it in the way I am with other things. Its clever, but lacks charisma, Thoughts? Ceoil (talk) 22:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Random; but Memphis, Tennessee. Chusk Berry. Ceoil (talk) 22:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm having quiet time with Lisa gerrard's The Host of Seraphim. Feck off. Ceoil (talk) 22:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

The Shop Assistants link is great, thanks. Ceoil (talk) 22:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Radiohead Taskforce

I commented on CloudNine's talk page, and am awaiting a response. I reckon a RHead taskforce will be reallllyy good, because some of the articles are terrible (eg Just). Also, some articles, such as Paranoid Android, aren't too far off FA status, or at least GA. Ka5hmir^Talk _To ^Me! 10:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kubrick

Looks like a fun challenge. What are your thoughts on how to best handle the filmography. Sections on "Directorial style" and "Recurring themes" as suggested by one participant in the most recent FAC. Straight chronology, broken up into eras rather than film by film? Or something else?—DCGeist (talk) 16:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Arctic Monkeys awards

Sorry to bother you, but I would like to know why you did this. Is it because the project doesn't have a list class or because you don't think it is a list? weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 08:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yo...

		The Original Barnstar
		Your work with WP:ALM is simply awesome. Keep it up, mate. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

There is much better Aussie rock out there. (Do I run now?) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 09:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Get back to ME after you've witnessed Across the Great Divide or These Days: Live in Concert!! dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 09:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Will take a look, though I note you managed not to comment on the awesomess that is Powderfinger ;) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 09:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Leonard Cohen

If I were a girl...The first 3 albums, and the last 3, and I suppose "I'm your man". Ceoil (talk) 22:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alt Rock source

Dear Mr. Dodds,

Nice work with the Alternative Music WP. I am new to WP, and have recently been made aware that, as an editor at the online mag Crawdaddy!, I am guilty of COI. I am only making non-controversial changes at this point, and making known my magazine's work on talk pages (as well as reverting links that I have added over the past few weeks and putting them on talk pages for discussion). That being said, I noticed your call for sources on the Alternative Music WP, and wanted to point out our site if you hadn't seen it already, as it deals, in detail, with alt rock and music Crawdaddy!. Thanks for reading,
Asst. Editor, Crawdaddy! FenderRhodesScholar | Talk 23:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eminem

You removed templates from the Eminem talk page, noting that they were unnecessary and redundant. I'm not sure what ones you decided were unnecessary, but the WPBiography templates are for two separate work groups. In terms of those work groups (Musician vs. Actors and Filmmakers), Eminem has much different priority levels (some projects call it importance), since his prominence and priority as an actor isn't nearly that as a musician. Since there is no way to separate the priority levels one on template at this time, two are necessary. In all cases, when an article is put under a project, the template is necessary to track the article in terms of the project and needs to remain in place in order for that function to work. I've returned the ones that were removed for this reason. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Newsletter

Goes to everyone at Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative music/Members, right? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 08:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Should be going soon. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 09:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Alternative music Newsletters

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 12 - March 2008

"Expressions of irony through clothing are very important.'"- Carlos Dengler Project news "Just Like Heaven" (song), Flea (musician), Bernard Fanning, Odyssey Number Five, In Rainbows and Silverchair reached featured article status in the past month! Additionally "This Charming Man", a former Featured Article, has been re-promoted to FA status. Well done to WesleyDodds, NSR77, Grim-Gym, the various WikiProject Powderfinger editors, Atlantik, Ceoil and Dihydrogen Monoxide. The discography of Silverchair reached featured list status during the past month. Well done to Dihydrogen Monoxide. Surfer Rosa was featured on the Main Page on March 21. We collaborated on In Rainbows, Vitalogy, The White Stripes, Blur (band) and Accelerate (R.E.M. album) during the past month. During the month of March, Nine Inch Nails live performances, Oasis (band), Boredoms, Hoodoo Gurus, and Vitalogy were promoted to good article status. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is Editors - An End Has a Start (2007).

New members NewMarqueeDayMoonRising, Thundermaster, and SuperNeek joined the alternative music fold during March. Editors User:WesleyDodds

If you missed last the previous newsletter, you can find it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative music/Newsletter/February 2008.
You are receiving this newsletter because you have signed up for WikiProject Alternative music. If you wish to stop receiving this newsletter, or would like to receive it in a different form, add your name to the appropriate section here. This newsletter was delivered by the automated Giggabot (talk) 10:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] REM UK Chart placings

Unfortunately, the 2 sources I have don't go beyond 2001, and one only includes top 100 chart placings. There's a web page showing the chart positions between 1995 and 2000 here which includes placings in the top 200 (basically anything that sold at all I would guess), and I have another source (MC Strong's Great Rock Discography book) that has UK and US chart placings up to the end of 2001. Strong's book is pretty reliable and doesn't have a UK chart placing for "Wendell Gee", but it could still have charted outside the top 100. I'll check my sources against your draft and let you know if anything disagrees.--Michig (talk) 19:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I've found a few discrepancies/additions, some of which might be a bit of a pain to incorporate, as a few singles were reissued at various points with different B-sides:

1. Murmur reached #36 in th US apparently
2. Dead Letter Office: UK #60, US #52
3. Eponymous: UK #69, US #44
4. The Best Of REM: UK #7 (issued Sept 1991)
5. The One I Love - reached UK #51 on first issue (1987), didn't chart on second issue (1988), reached UK #16 on third issue (Sept 1991)
6. Stand reached UK #51 on first issue Jan 89, but UK #48 when reissued Jul 89.
7. It's The End of The World... - UK #39 when reissued Dec 1991.

I think that's it - all other positions are as listed in Strong's book. The source for this, should you wish to reference it in the article is...

Strong, Martin C. (2002). The Great Rock Discography, 6th edn.. Canongate. ISBN 1-84195-312-1. 

Let me know if you need any more detail. Cheers.--Michig (talk) 19:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I've found more (from www.everyhit.co.uk, which only includes top 40 hits):

• Bad Day - #8
• Animal - #33
• Leaving New York - #5
• Electron Blue - #26
• Wanderlust - #27

--Michig (talk) 20:35, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WesleyDodds is tired

It happens dont worry. Here is a friendly Knife. Ceoil (talk) 13:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I mean nothing by this, but what a tune, what a voice. On a sad and lonely face. Him eating a sandwiche on the train is GOLD. Ceoil (talk) 13:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[2] No reason. WAKE UP! Ceoil (talk) 22:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Just had a look at Thin Lizzy, and oh dear god. Any interest? Ceoil (talk) 09:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Was think the same re older albums. Off the top of my head, I'd go for Morrison hotel or On the Beach. Lots of drama for both. [3]. Ceoil (talk) 09:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and thousand thanks for the Kate Bush link. Ceoil (talk) 09:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes we get books over here. I think the last thing the world needs is more words on the beatles, to be fair. The Neil Young album has good back story, and there is always VU I, and trout mask reprilia. Have been listenuing to [4] for 75 minutes, so great, and I'll see them in August!! Oh boy. Ceoil (talk) 09:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Did I mention I was a serious Queen fan when I were a lad? Ok so. But On the Beach after. Deal? Ceoil (talk) 09:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Back at you Ceoil (talk) 09:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I suppose that's something you got to live with. listening to old town over and over Ceoil (talk) 09:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Accelerate

Finally got me a copy of their latest effort. What are your thoughts? Personally, I still think they were better in their heyday. "Supernatural Superserious" doesn't grab me like their older stuff. CloudNine (talk) 20:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Alternative_music#Magazine_request

Just for reference, any idea how long it'll be before you get a chance to take a look at these? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 02:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'm plenty busy if you can't get it done Wednesday. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 04:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Strapping Young Lad

Hi! Just wanted to let you know that Strapping Young Lad is a featured article candidate, so feel free to comment! I know you're not familiar with the band or the genre, so you're not obliged to :) Gocsa (talk) 14:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The last Goldfrapp‎ album is excellent

and so is the new Portishead. Did I mention the Knife? Ceoil (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Was hoping to find Philthy Phil Philanthropist, but Tim will do, for now. Ceoil (talk) 19:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A few things

Hey, any plans for a "B-class article improvement drive" again (May–June maybe)? I think we should start moving stuff from the workspace to R.E.M. discography, cause even though a work-in-progress, its still better than the actual article. Have you seen Maynard James Keenan, now at FAC? The biography is band-wise rather than chronological and I'm not sure it works that way. On the PR, the editor told me the bio got too complicated if arranged chronologically, but I'm still not sure. Too much of the info seems more suited for his bands' articles. indopug (talk) 07:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

The reason I haven't been adding to the discography is that Big Brother restricts my internet access in college (entertainment sites are blocked). I can't even access the soundonsound.com link :(. You should add a comment at the Keenan FAC asking them to wait, it might close soon I think.

Big gaping error in Alice in Chains: a quote from an article from the Facelift era (1990) is being used to describe the music on Dirt. indopug (talk) 10:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

What genre would you classify Blondie under? I need to know for a ""Call Me" is a song by American _________ band Blondie." kinda purpose. Thanks indopug (talk) 12:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thriller

Firstly could you PLEASE archive your page, do you know how long it took me to scroll down here?

Ok now thats out the way, i need your help with Thriller, i saw your message at bookkeepers page, the Thriller 25 mess has been resolved so ANYTHING is possible, even if its just some advise on the talk page, it would be very helpful. lso the quicker it becomes FA, the quicker i can get outta this place. Cheers. Realist2 (talk) 09:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

No need to worry about reliability, that was already checked with the first FA review. All sources were checked and adjusted accordingly, thats ok. Realist2 (talk) 10:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to look at Thriller (album). You stated you did not have time until the end of the month, but I was hoping you could answer one question about qualification for FA. How does the article look in terms of passive verbs? I've been doing a lot of rewrite on that but if it looks okay I want to devote my time to other editing issues. Thanks!--DizFreak ^{talk Contributions} 19:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Peer review/Beyoncé Knowles/archive1

This is my biggest project to date and I would like to ask your suggestions for it to improve further. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 13:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Batman

His Wesley. I know you wrote most of the Batman article, and there's an editor who has requested citations on a fair bit of it. Could you perhaps have a look at the article, the article history and the talk page and see if you can help with citations or the discussion as to whether or not they are needed? Hiding T 10:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] english inkies

How do editors have access to old NME and Melody Maker peices in many of the articles you have a hand in? Private collections? 86.44.28.245 (talk) 06:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, interesting. Thanks. 86.44.28.245 (talk) 07:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Totally interviewed

I suppose you can back that claim up with a link??!! Ceoil (talk) 06:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I had forgotten why you the man! Ceoil (talk) 06:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

 ;-) What a tool Eldritch is. "A gun for a lover" Ha ha, wanker. Ceoil (talk) 07:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Still though. [5]. Ceoil (talk) 07:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Im listening to Richie Hawtin's "Live @ Chesterfield Labelland Gold 22-06-2002" again and it is so good. I would place it with Unknown Pleasures, Sheer heart attack, Live at the Witches trial, Bizzaro, Come on die young, or any of that stuff. I know you don't do peer to peer; but this one splash on soul seek would be worth it. Ceoil (talk) 10:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Random: [6] Ceoil (talk) 17:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Frusciante pic

Tell me about it. The one that was deleted (God only knows why) was awesome. It's going to be really difficult to find one, as most professional photographers are extremely stingy when it comes to releasing their work into the Creative Commons. I searched practically all afternoon for another one. Any help would be greatly appreciated. NSR77 ^T_C 15:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Motivation is a fickle bitch, ya know? On another note, do you have any access to Audacity or something along those lines? I'm in need of someone to cut a live version of "Under the Bridge" for the article. NSR77 ^T_C 19:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not quite done with the article yet. I've still to add a "Cover versions" section, which is where I plan on adding Flea's feelings towards Yankovic's (terrible) cover. The article also needs a good copyedit, which I have not yet done but may do tonight if I don't go out. Anything you want to add about it? NSR77 ^T_C 00:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" has a lot of the categories I wanted to discuss; I took a quick look at it before I started writing "Under the Bridge" and then after I finished realized the similarities. You certainly laid some great groundwork in song articles, though I've noticed most songs are not significant enough to support some of the categories present. "Under the Bridge" has a lot written about it, being the highest charting alternative song I can think of, but it's just not quite as secular as "Teen Spirit". I still think it is your best effort, perhaps paralleled only by Smashing Pumpkins. NSR77 ^T_C 00:21, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I really want to work on Disintegration next. I've decided the album has successfully infiltrated my top five favorite albums of all time. I just got Never Enough in the mail, another great bio by Jeff Apter. Do you want to help? You know Cure sources better than I do. NSR77 ^T_C 02:57, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Have you ever seen the clip of him getting pissed off during an interview when he was asked to give three reasons for someone to purchase their new record? He flips out, assaulting the guy. It's quite hilarious. NSR77 ^T_C 03:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

If Year Zero does not get promoted again, or if it isn't done in the next couple days, this will be the first time WP:ALM hasn't had a promoted article every month since early 2007. Never thought it could happen. NSR77 ^T_C 21:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Its really strange how so many significant editors to the project suddenly became inactive. Where has CloudNine been? NSR77 ^T_C 01:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Haha, Chad actually has a lot more of a role in the "Under the Bridge" than some videos. He's shown throughout but is superimposed with Flea onto images of Anthony, so it’s not just clear shots of him. Flea probably has the smallest part in "Under the Bridge" than any other video. He's usually pretty important. In the video for "By the Way", Chad only appears once, at the end; all he's doing is flagging down a cab. In an interview where they talked about the video, he jokingly commented "I did all my own stunts." NSR77 ^T_C 13:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll take "Under the Bridge" to FAC in late May, but it really depends on whenever someone feels like getting around to the GAC. Work on Disintegration will surely continue into early to mid June, but I'm targeting an FAC for somewhere around early/mid July. I really want to get my hands on a copy of the NME Goth special; I've been probing every nook and cranny of Ebay for it, but so far nothing more than a PDA file that isn't worth the 7 dollar price tag has come up. While we've got our minds in the topic we might as well push The Cure to FA status, as well. Other than that the only projects I have in my immediate future are Mother's Milk, Uplift Mofo Party Plan and Stadium Arcadium, which I hope to complete by the end of the summer. My ultimate goal is to get every Chili Peppers album featured, and then shoot for a superior featured topic. Other than stuff right now, what about you? And big ideas? NSR77 ^T_C 19:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that I don't like Pearl Jam, I simply feel they're overrated. I also think they rose to the top way too quickly and were ultimately riding the popularity horse already started by Nirvana and the Chili Peppers. Keep in mind Pearl Jam were originally the opening act for the Peppers and Nirvana after Irons begged Kiedis to allow it. Though, the band showed a lot of endurance up until the past decade. Now a days they're barely a threat in pop music. When do you want to begin on Disintegration?

I'll start this weekend, when I have more time to reread the era in Never Enough and check some other sources. Favorite Cure song? NSR77 ^T_C 16:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

My personal favorite Cure song is probably "Disintegration". It's absolutely astounding, riveting, and beautiful. "From The Edge of the Deep Green Sea" and "Plainsong" are also awesome, along with "Fascination Street", "The Kiss", "One More Time", and "To Wish Impossible Things", among many others. Their pop singles, while great, aren't as good as their lesser known material (to me), although I adore "Love Song" and "Lovecats". NSR77 ^T_C 23:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wreacked

Well there is but, of course, Waits' origional could not be bettered. How the Queen thing going, bty? I'm stuck on sheer heart attack, which is nice. Ceoil (talk) 08:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Found something very odd on u tube ? Ceoil (talk) 12:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] (See the Sky) About to Rain

...is Neil Young's best song. It generaly gets hammered in reviews of On the Beach, but I think it is great. Discuss. Ceoil (talk) 12:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Disintegration could be a brilliant article. Lots to say about that album. Go for it! Ceoil (talk) 20:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, his court case always stuck me as odd. Of course they had to fire him; he was an acholic mess, could only play keyboards if coloured stickers told him what to do, and was prone to going missing. "Yeah, they were right to fire me". Such self awarness. Listen to Mrs Merton's (Hookie's wife) opening q to Debbie MacGeehere; surely equal on a level of obviousness. Ceoil (talk) 20:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disco R.E.M.

For the albums chart or the singles? Do you know the formats the albums were released in? indopug (talk) 05:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Do you think an article like "Like Suicide" merits redirecting to the album page? A;though its not a single, the band have talked about it quite a bit. indopug (talk) 06:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I have unrestricted access to the internet now. I'll read that article and get back to you. We should also check whether useful stuff from all the Superunknown-related articles from the Stargate fansite have been incorporated. indopug (talk) 07:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there was anything useful in that ew article; except maybe a comparision with Robert Plant/Led Zep and "psychedelic grunge with Indian overtones." to describe the album's sound. indopug (talk) 09:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm planning to submit "Touch Me I'm Sick" to FAC soon, a copy-edit/suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, indopug (talk) 14:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the support. We should add this to the Britpop article. indopug (talk) 11:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, come on! They're hilarious--I remember artcore, folkcore and progcore from a while back. You know I'm surprised that there isn't a genre called power rock? I don't know why, but that just struck me as odd. indopug (talk) 21:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

(Random) I bet a lot of people think your actual name is Wesley Dodds. indopug (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ALM

newsletter ready? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Clash article has been rated as GA-Class

		The Music Barnstar
		I award the Music Barnstar to WesleyDodds for your great job on The Clash article. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi! I've seen you around on Clash articles... Would you consider becoming a member of WikiProject The Clash, a WikiProject which aims to expand and improve coverage of The Clash on Wikipedia? Please feel free to join us. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

"Know Your Rights"... Listen to this / Run ... to join us! Todo: Open tasks for WikiProject The Clash. Edit or discuss these tasks. Highest priority Expand all the articles related to The Clash Fair use Add fair use rationale to all images and sound samples (all except images already labeled free use). Re-size large images to less than 300 pixels, @ 72dpi (all "fair use" images). Articles Try to expand all songs stubs if possible. Some song stubs cant be expanded. Expand album articles (all). Remove Trivia sections (or move it to the talk page). Remove YouTube links. To Create: 1977 (song), Listen, London's Burning (song), City of the Dead (Clash song), The Prisoner (Clash song), 1-2 Crush on You, Armagideon Time, Stop the World (song), First Night Back in London, Long Time Jerk, Cool Confusion, Do It Now, Rudie Can't Fail, The Right Profile, Garageland (song), Hate and War, What's My Name? (song), Cheat (song), Protex Blue, 48 Hours (song), Johnny Green (manager), List of Clash concerts, Category:The Clash tours... (see project pages Songs and List of Clash concerts) To Destub: Westway to the World, Terry Chimes, Keith Levene, Bankrobber, This Is Radio Clash, Singles Box, The Singles (The Clash album), The Story of the Clash, Volume 1, The Vanilla Tapes, Vince White To Expand: Mick Jones (The Clash), Paul Simonon, Topper Headon, The Clash (album), Rude Boy (film), (White Man) in Hammersmith Palais, Capital Radio One, From Here to Eternity: Live, Groovy Times, Jail Guitar Doors, Joe Strummer: The Future Is Unwritten, Live at Bond's Casino, The Cost of Living (EP), The Essential Clash, The Singles (2007 album) To Improve to GA-Class:: Joe Strummer, Sandinista!, Combat Rock, Give 'Em Enough Rope, Super Black Market Clash To Improve to Featured standard:: The Clash, London Calling To Nominate at WP:FAC: The Clash, London Calling Needing attention To Clean up: none (or all) Lists to complete: List of Clash concerts, Genres To Merge: The Vanilla Tapes into London Calling (suggested) Wanted Pics/Graphics: Topper Headon Maintain: none (or all) Collaboration: none To Deorphan: The 101ers, Big Audio Dynamite, The Mescaleros, Havana 3am, Carbon/Silicon, The Good, the Bad and the Queen To Remove: none Project building Add WikiProject The Clash banner {{WPClash}} to all appropriate Talk pages of all Clash-related articles. Add/update assessments for all project pages. Personally invite quality editors working on The Clash articles to join the project. Project Discussions: The Clash WP Talk If you complete one of these tasks, please remove it from the list and add your achievement to the project log. ... and on Wikipedia Here are some tasks you can do:

[edit] WikiProject Alternative music Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 13 - April 2008

"God is in your scrotum!'"- Perry Farrell Project news This month was the first in over a year in which no articles were promoted to featured article status. In the period between March 2007 and April 2008, the project produced a whopping 70 Featured Articles. Let's keep adding to those numbers! Pearl Jam was featured on the Main Page on April 22. We collaborated on My Bloody Valentine, The Queen Is Dead, Double Nickels on the Dime and Ten (Pearl Jam album) during the past month. During the month of April, Diorama (album), Editors, Neon Bible, Ghosts I–IV, "Yes! I Am a Long Way from Home" and "Who Really Cares (Featuring the Sound of Insanity)" were promoted to good article status. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is Sleater-Kinney - Dig Me Out (1997).

New members Arleach, Panic!out, N0tverycreative, and Gallagher2x2 joined the alternative music fold during April. Editors User:WesleyDodds

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Bot tells me your talk page needs archiving! dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 09:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] They are so depressing

going round and round. Ceoil (talk) 15:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Keith Moon interview very creepy. Ceoil (talk) 15:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disintegration

Don't worry; it will begin this weekend without question. I had a late night out last night, but ready to start later today or tomorrow. NSR77 ^T_C 17:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Gah, I got really caught up today in school work. I'm sorry. Tuesday we'll start for sure. NSR77 ^T_C 00:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

"Give it Away" is a great song, but by no means their best. It's the only Chili Peppers song that Frusciante uses his solo-work signature style of backwards guitar, which makes it special in some ways. The video is amazing. Frusciante and Flea were incredibly high, if I remember correctly. Stéphane Sednaoui is one of the best music video directors and every video he's made with the band is rad ("Scar Tissue", "Breaking the Girl"). I'll spruce it up in between work on Disintegration. NSR77 ^T_C 02:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Although I haven't played video games in over two years, GTA IV just came out and I've been disgustingly enthralled by it. I'll start this weekend, I swear. :) NSR77 ^T_C 21:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Guess who's going to see My Bloody Valentine in New York City at Roseland Ballroom in September. NSR77 ^T_C 16:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

That's because J&MC suck ass. NSR77 ^T_C 17:07, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hey Jude

Due to a misunderstanding, I hastily posted a discussion on the Hey Jude talk page, and I have reverted this discussion; see [7]. If you think this discussion is still worthwhile, feel free to restore it, but please do take into account my most recent edit summary. Thank you. Marcus2 (talk) 00:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I understand your argument very well now. I'm glad we were able to come up with some agreement. It's just that the Beatles absorbed and invented so many genres that it's very hard for me to draw the line between rock and pop. I wish you the best. Marcus2 (talk) 00:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Singles Going Steady

"I don't mind". By a mile. Ceoil (talk) 13:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Album charts for Badmotorfinger

Hello Wesley. There's a user who keeps adding charts from Kerrang! and Eye Weekly to the chart positions section of the Badmotorfinger article. I've been removing them under the position that they are not notable and would lead to a slippery slope as far as what charts could be included in the chart positions section. I'm wondering if you could add some input to this. Thanks.-5- (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reviews & cites

You removed the reviews and their cites from Ruby and left a summary saying use them in album pages, of which there are none for this band (just a few singles). Since I don't plan to make any, where would this information and the logo be appropriate? Kresock (talk) 03:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response and input. Kresock (talk) 04:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] grunge

a valid source was sited bush is both grunge and post grunge some critics consider them grunge some post grunge a valid reference at allmusic.com is sited to show there are also grunge now please revert your own mistake oh and by the way bush has been up there since god knows when in the article,

that is your opinion but allmusic is considered reliable sources under wiki guide lines --Wikiscribe (talk) 21:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

but that is your opinion of what is wrong and right which means your siteing your own pov--Wikiscribe (talk) 21:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

so you use allmusic.com when you agree with there classification of a band but when you dont you rely on your own original research okay gotcha i will contact an administrator to sort throught his--Wikiscribe (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

can you name me the all the grunge bands that broke up in the mid 90's being i just investigated every grunge band on the list of grunge bands and could not find hardly one that broke up in the mid 90's but i do know that either re word the section or it will be removed again--Wikiscribe (talk) 03:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This Mortal Coil

What do you make of this. I quite like it, after I stuck with it, even if the guys making it shouldn't appear within 20 feet of any object that can record visual representation. Just to redeem my self. Ceoil (talk) 22:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

so good. Ceoil (talk) 23:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah sure jesus, I've heard that thousands of times. I actually listened to it earlier today. Try harder. Ceoil (talk) 01:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Goddamn women. I ended with a fairly good one of them on tuesday. And now Madame George is on the player. Drat. Ceoil (talk) 01:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Ha, just random editing. I was on a page about some tragic greek goddess, and strayed in. Is all. Also I'm trying to move towards editing more general articles, away from the backwaters of indie and paintings. Ceoil (talk) 01:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Is Scarlett Johanssen's album really so bad? So much of my faith in humanity rests on her immaculateness, if you know if you know what i mean, and I think you just might. Ceoil (talk) 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No. Email them, Melody Maker is IPC. Ceoil (talk) 20:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I wouldn't poision my sent items with either of those publications. Just try your luck. Ceoil (talk) 21:17, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah mention the wiki thing, and tell them that the quotes will be fully cited, with a link back to their webpage. And be polite and fawing. Ceoil (talk) 21:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Diorama

I ended up putting it up for FAC...if you do manage to get those reviews, it'd still be great. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 02:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sinestro Corps War

I clarified my point at the FAC. I was basically saying you can't compare apples to oranges. Nothing to do with MoS or anything like that. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I'll respond there : ) - jc37 04:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Madonna

I was wondering, how is it Madonna was classified by the RIAA as the Best Selling Female Rock Artist of the 20th century? After reviewing her albums, I see she's done a few rock-oriented albums, but is it simply based on the fact that she out sold pure rock-based artists/groups? I've also heard the argument that rock n roll evolved into what we consider contemporary pop music. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 09:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thriller - Themes and genre

Hi, there, before we put the artice up for FA again, we really need to sort out the "Themes and Genre" section. Yes its unsourced at the moment but it all came from a book i have so i can add them later. Can you look at the section and help improve it so that it would qualify for FA, i literally allow you to do what the hell you like, i dont mind im at a loss. All i know is that we need to talk about the music itself. Please, please, please help and please contact me. Cheers. --Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 02:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sandman

I've started a discussion here. Can you participate? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Supergrass Peer Review

Hi

Could you please review the Supergrass article please? [8]. I would like the article to be GA so if there are ways to improve it please let me know in the review.

Thanks, --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 15:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] White Stripes

Should I include it? Apart from allmusic and Wikipedia I haven't seen the term anywhere. Knowing the way allmusic is with genres I won't be surprised to see synth rock there sometime soon. indopug (talk) 10:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Could you check Be Here Now? Apparently the album is a classic now. Needs a wayback revert I think. Also, the page has moved toe Be Here Now (album) for some reason. indopug (talk) 19:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Soundgarden. Do you think it has any chance? indopug (talk) 19:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Have you ever played with this thing? One rather odd statistic is that My Chemical Romance gets 50% more readership than Pearl Jam. indopug (talk) 08:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Any idea why Foo Fighters [9] got six times the regular readership on 11th Feb? indopug (talk) 08:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you a fan of this template? It seems to be the new standard I think; its spreading everywhere. indopug (talk) 00:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Not a bad idea; but you'd do good finding a Photoshopper. I just fumble with MS Paint and hope for the best. indopug (talk) 17:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Your comment here was greatly appreciated. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 00:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

At least one more Powderfinger FA on the way too! :) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 00:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] David Grohl

Well, I have moved it to David Grohl (musician). Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 08:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I was unable re-move it, so I asked administrator Marasmusine's help. He moved this article to the previous title. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 08:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Smashing Pumpkins

i don't understand why you kept taking the singles off of the main page. Every other artist page has it on their front page and its good for advertising the band. It's hard as hell to find the discography, since it's barely visible. Allow me to put the singles on the front page thus the band can be more recognized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.136.138 (talk) 23:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your help!

		The Reviewers Award
		Thanks to your help and review, Sinestro Corps War has reached FA! Hemlock Martinis (talk) 18:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sugar kisses ...

Ah right, thanks for that. I'll double check the ones I've added to see if they need removing. Thanks for the offer of sources as well, I noticed you added the NME review to Porcupine, I'll be sure to give you a shout! Cheers --JD554 (talk) 06:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] They'll be drawing straws inside the courtroom

Its fruging brilliant; "A question from Japan"! Anyway, I'm in a rough mood tonight, listening to versions of this. Its great, women leaves him, so he orders his war council, and orders destruction of all that surrounding him. What a bitch! (Thats not actually what's going on, but it suits my black hearted mood tonight.) Ceoil (talk) 21:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Grand, we're both angsty, but Ourgiggr just out classed us both in the none more black stakes [10]. Oh dear, drama coming. I have to admit I do like Outriggr related drama, maybe arbcom is the best place to voice my concern about this. Ceoil (talk) 23:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I got a few rare Joy Division docs on .avi; wondering how I could get them to you. Ceoil (talk) 23:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

137,000 & 800,000 kb. Soulseek? Ceoil (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I could try and mail the 137mb file, if you have a good connection. Ceoil (talk) 23:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Cloverfield is just great, even though I could choke most of the characters, who are all annoying, flat, and two dimensional. Still, by the end of the film they're all dead. Ceoil (talk) 23:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

The great thing about the Wired doc, is that Hook, Morley and Wilson spend a fair amount of time giving out about London, vs. Manchester. I really identify with that, as a Corkonian living in contempt of the self-satification of Dublin. My mother hasn't been in Dublin since 1976, which is amazing as its only up the road. I asked her why, and she said why would I want to go there? Ha! Exactly. The doc has footage of strawberry studios, and has Gretton bitching about both Morley and Corbijn, in a Noel-like way. Ceoil (talk) 23:34, 23 [May 2008 (UTC)

The doc was made just after the substance comp was released, and when asked "why now, why was it released at this paticular time" Wilson goes into a long superlative ramble about legacy and distance, while Gretton says its to "help us with our little tax problem". He the man. Ceoil (talk) 23:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Mail. Ceoil (talk) 00:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

1, 2, dublin langer, 4. Ceoil (talk) 23:14, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

No that's the city accent. We are much more refined out in the sticks, than those tools and spanners in the city. Ceoil (talk) 23:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Ha! We have the magic roundabout in cork, they have the mad cow roundabout in Dublin. Ours is waaaay better like, and has on average six more collisions a day than what them has. Anyway, got a "This video is not available in your country." msg when I clicked on your last link. Feck. Ceoil (talk) 23:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Green day? Surely ye have produced some thing better that them? The Queen link was great, bty. Ceoil (talk) 23:49, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

filthy hippies? Ha ha hahaha. What about beach boys, doors...oh yeah see waht you mean. I do like black flag, camper van beethoven, and early bangles, but ye have yet to apologise for and expalin why: Huey Lewis & The News. Ceoil (talk) 23:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh my. That explains that away so; weird! Anyway, Gluck, need to tend to the fac..........Ceoil (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Have a listen; it does not rock exactly, but its pretty special. Ceoil (talk) 00:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Raise you one. Can't find the Fire Engines on youtube, but I did find this. Ceoil (talk) 00:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Christ. Did you see Fenian Swine's edit summary? Class. Ceoil (talk) 22:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

What a great choice, suits my mood perfectly. Had been listening to this, and <sigh> even this. Women eh, who needs 'em. Ceoil (talk) 22:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Pah! More like. Ceoil (talk) 22:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

PiL Ceoil (talk) 23:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Sometimes you better of dead cause the gun in your hand is pointing at your head. Tell me that is not just great. Smashing video too (the director later did the Francis bio, so extra kudos). Ceoil (talk) 21:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to bombard you, but Jesus Christ!! Ceoil (talk) 21:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

What the fuck with the INXS link? Are you trolling me cause you can get blocked for that sort of thing. Also, a competition; in the next couple of hrs, your 5 most heartbroken songs...on youtube. I'm fairly fucking heartbroken (even though I was too good for her!!! ;-)) so this would do me good. No Wedding Present or Shellac. Ceoil (talk) 21:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I though I had an ace in my seleve with the Waterboys' "We will not be lovers". But the bastard is not on you-tube. I was going to go for Van Morrisons "Ballerina", but thats not there either. Then there was the first verse of "Long, Long, Long Time" (the rest is shit), but no luck. Then I was going to go for "For No One", but you, fucker, beat me to it. Disaster! So I'm scrambling my password and GOODBYE FOREVER CRUEL WIKIPEDIA! Ceoil (talk) 22:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Jesus - How could I forget - this and this. The funny thing is That Woman lives in one of the buildings behind the hay-penny bridge Philo is standing on in the opening minutes. Dublin IS SHIT. Ceoil (talk) 23:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Highlander is always in my top 5 movies. SOOOOOOOOOoooo so so so great. More heartbroken links, please. And be ruthless - she was <sigh> some bitch. Ceoil (talk) 23:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Never heard it before! Its brilliant, I love it! Thanks............Ceoil (talk) 23:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

However, it does rather remind me of The Black. Ceoil (talk) 23:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for number 4. Aren't Buzzcocks brilliant. I think i might have given you this already [11]. Oh, I do likethe first 2 Prefab sprout albums (showing my age!). Ceoil (talk) 09:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

You call that angry? Ha ha ha ha ha. I should take you out on a pub crawl in Belfast sometime, plenty of anger there still to serve everyone. Um, at the risk of turning to the "Frames guy", this is suitably miserable. Oh sweet misery, my only friend....! Ceoil (talk) 16:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh Jesus. When you find yourseld listening to this and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BcuZBZFk60&feature=related this] on a Saturday night, you know things are bad. Eeuf. Ceoil (talk) 22:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh dude, don't get me started on the subties of the fall. Listen to maybe their fines moment and the drop ins - Sequence stars were no good for making carbon in this way. Red giant stars...... [ surplayed ] .Disfigured in a lady, tedious. Was over accountant's and on business / Then I woke up and I decided to recommence my diary / Then I read Paula Yates on vision cokeheads... For me thats about as spectral as you can get. Oh, I do love the fall! Ceoil (talk) 23:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk Talk. Ceoil (talk) 00:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you ready to be.... Ceoil (talk) 12:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I win the heartbreak contest [12]. Although, lets not forget Hey, is Dee Dee home. Pink Floyd would be an interesting physco-drama, except that they leave me cold, and I'll busy that week pulling out my own teeth. So no thanks. Ceoil (talk) 23:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Right. To be honest I really couldn't give a fuck. Pink Floyd? Nah. In other news I've just discovered "Ballerina", from Astral Weeks. I always though it was tacked on at the end, but it's brilliant. Ceoil (talk) 23:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that would beat Kenny Rodgers. I do think that between yourself, myself and Indopug, we could cook up something good; I'll have a look at yer discussion and pipe in. Ceoil (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikicookie

[edit] Joy Division

I saw that you reverted most of my edits to the Joy Division article. I posted some comments on the article's talk page, maybe you can look into these issues. Thank you. – Ilse@ 10:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Done ;)

Put DNOTD up for GA. My perfectionism probably means I've lost motivation to edit Wikipedia at the moment; before my editing level dropped (massively), I had writer's block on Bad Moon Rising, The Replacements, DNOTD.

Hopefully I'll be able to work on those, and expand Kim Deal. The trouble I have with quite a few articles is that I have plenty of sources up until a point (and usually write a lot of content), and then find it very hard to continue it to the finish. It sucks!

I appreciate the walking wombat on your talk page by the way. A nice touch. Much happened in the alt. music project while I've been "away"? CloudNine (talk) 23:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Piper LP

Hi Wesley, I see you re-applied your removal of 2 items on The Piper at the Gates of Dawn page. I have not edited the page again, but I'm still questioning these changes. I'm fairly new at WP, and have many Pink Floyd pages on my watchlist to gain experience in using WP, and take an interest in new changes, often reverting. When I see info removed, I consider the efforts of the person who put it in originally, as well as the concerns of the person who removed it. Here are my thoughts about these edits:

I have never seen a guideline that says an album should ideally have only one genre, but maybe that's not your reason for making the change. "Space rock" was undoubtably added in reference to "Interstellar Overdrive". I do recall an interview where someone (Waters?) dismissed the idea that IO is a pioneering example of space rock, or is space rock at all. Maybe that's why you removed it? I suspect members of PF and other bands often have opinions about their own work which vary greatly from their fans, and this is a good example. I don't see how a case can be made for saying IO is NOT a classic example of space rock. Also, the track is so different from most others on the album, and I think this justifies listing more than one genre.

Regarding removal of the review, I am concerned about how Pink Floyd, a British band, has so many Americanized references on WP. In fact, the reason I have so many PF pages on my watch list, is I noticed someone complaining on a talk page that most of their albums had US but not UK chart statistics, even though their early material had much more chart activity in the UK, and where both were present, the US stat was usually shown first. I agreed this should be changed, looked up info on the UK chart websites, and updated relevant pages. Getting back to reviews: on the Piper page, there were 6 reviews, of which 4 were American websites, 1 was a British magazine without website link (presumably printed review, non-website), and 1 British website, which is the one you removed. Your edit summary says "not a notable reviewer", so maybe it's the reviewer rather than the website you object to. I would question whether this reviewer might be better known in the UK than the other American reviews are. (I'm not located in the UK, so I don't know the answer, but it seems a reasonable guess that he might be.) I read the review, and I don't see anything that makes it, or the reviewer, or the website less professional than the others. So I don't see the problem, and I think it's good that we have at least one linkable review from the UK in this article.

Let me know what you think. Thanks! --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 00:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I've asked for opinions about it on the talk page, and reverted so others can see what was being removed. Please wait for some replies before changing the article again, so we can determine some concensus. Thanks. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 08:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Cure and Carliertwo

Hi. Following a comment on my talkpage I left this reply on the above editors talkpage. I hope that the two of you will be able to resolve this matter between the two of you, and my only comment upon the content is that since it is cited and quotes the article subjects mainstay - and has been included in the article since early this year - I feel it is up to you to prove the case for the removal of the text. However, like I said it shouldn't be a matter needing outside intervention except perhaps inviting the views of some other article editors to provide the appropriate consensus. Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Knockin' back Prozac

I've laid out the basic structure of the article. I need sourcing help mainly for the Recording, Composition and Video sections--there's been more than enough about the Battle of Britpop on the Internet (in particular, I found an excellent 2005 John Harris Q article reprint), so I'll handle that. Thanks, indopug (talk) 20:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Warning: There are genre disputes, plagiarism allegations and disputes sales figures on a scale we hardly ever see at the ALM. (Worse, I've heard serious rumblings from the major Zep editors to consider Coda as the ninth studio album)

Do you have access to Blur: 3862 Days, The Official History? This seems to be a reprint, but we'll need to check for accuracy and find page numbers. indopug (talk) 08:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The Sabbath article isn't evil enough yet; not enough about the devil worship and what-not. User:Skeletor2112 whipped it into shape, and I contributed to the peer review, but he's hardly been on since. I'd blame the article length's on too detailed touring information. BTW, here is said discussion and there is no way this edit is gonna stay that way. indopug (talk) 17:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Woah! I didn't know they actually went through with it. I just saw the talk page discussion until now. There's an edit war at the band template's page too. I'm gonna be totally Zen though. indopug (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

How about something by the Cocteaus...I've only heard Treasure. indopug (talk) 11:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I doubt they even reviewed them at all; music was so not the point of the Battle. And could you ask Raul to make the necessary change? indopug (talk) 23:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing. I'm surprised you haven't mentioned "About a Girl" in Background; wasn't it a "sign of things to come"? indopug (talk) 08:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Just curious: do you have any idea what Zep/Page and Sabbath/Iommi thought of each other's music? I've heard both bands referred as influential tons of times, but never the one talk about the other. indopug (talk) 21:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd say the first four of those wouldn't pass an FAC right now. Motorhead kinda disintegrates in the bottom half too. indopug (talk) 22:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Are The New Radicals alt-rock? If so, our Wall of FAme needs updating. indopug (talk) 23:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

If you have problems with The Beatles' lead, why not revert to the version which was on the front page? indopug (talk) 08:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Fun fact: Number of Beatles' friends-and-family members GAs: 14. Number of Beatles' albums GAs: zero. indopug (talk) 17:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

While I'm the farthest from being an expert, I believe Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi is more frequently used than Mohandas Gandhi. indopug (talk) 20:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Freeeeeeee!!! indopug (talk) 23:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I should be flattered, but why do I get angry when I see this? moved your comments on my talk to the previous section by the way indopug (talk) 14:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Totally agree with you on that one; I never saw what the big deal was with them. I guess they were a lot more sexual than the other three. I have plans of working on "Bittersweet Symphony" and making the Stones come out like the soul-less corporates they are. indopug (talk) 22:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, any 64-year old who would wear a head-band would make me suspicious. Another band I just can't see the point of: Deep Purple. They're alright and all, but when they are mentioned in the same vein as Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin, it pisses me off. indopug (talk) 22:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I don't 'really' like them; actually I don't even know them too well beyond their singles. But their's is a great story, worth writing about (I figured). I just want to get a couple of their major articles up to good/featured status. indopug (talk) 08:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, after you wrote about it in the article (it isn't on Best of Blur). indopug (talk) 08:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I have access to the Classic Album video; working on the Who seems to be more stress-free in terms of dealing with Good-Faith editors who don't have a clue. I redirected more than 70 song articles back to their articles (and left a note about it at the Who "Wikiproject") and the only grief I got about it were from two editors for Who-unrelated reasons. We should transfer stuff from the R.E.M. discography workspace to the article, by the way. indopug (talk) 22:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed. What do we do? indopug (talk) 02:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually the case is different from Cite Web; because the output display is so different. There's actually a suggestion at the bottom of that talk page "{{songTitle | 5 | I love beer | happypal | 3:30}}" to give "5. "I love beer" (happypal) – 3:21" which is a much better solution IMO. indopug (talk) 02:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Even more pointless for NIN... indopug (talk) 02:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

EDIT WARRRR. The link he provides doesn't say that we must use a table too "Although the use of tables to display lists is discouraged (because it introduces unnecessarily complex code and makes editing difficult), there are some instances where they can be useful, such as when three columns and more are required." indopug (talk) 06:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Check out A Day in the Life, it has a section called "After the chord". indopug (talk) 21:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

There's a discussion at WT:ALBUM regarding the Tracklisting template. indopug (talk) 21:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bridge

I'll see what could be cut out of the article regarding "Give It Away", but the thing about his biography is pretty irrelevant. He revealed the song's meaning dozens of times before publishing Scar Tissue. Plus he discusses all the band's major or significant songs in the book, including lyric excerpts. Nothing particularly out of the ordinary with "Under the Bridge". On the Disintegration note, I'll start soon. I've been really hard-pressed what with exams several weeks ago and flying back to NY, where I am now, and getting used to the time shift. I'm here until the end of June, giving me plenty of time to do some work. Speaking of The Cure, I'm going to see them on the 20th and 21st at Madison Square and Radio City, respectively. I'm ridiculously excited. Unfortunately, their new single left more to be desired. As much as I've tried I can't seem to like post-Wish Cure. NSR77 ^T_C 23:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Charts

Sure no problem. I've got the 19th edition of the Guinness Book of British Hit Singles & Albums which covers all the Top 75 releases for both singles and albums from the beginning of the charts to 2006. It also seems to have the odd entry that goes up to the Top 100 - but I'm pretty sure that's not anywhere near comprehensive. It doesn't cover compilation albums though. A useful website I've found in addition to the book is The Zobbel Website! which covers higher listings in the charts but only for limited date ranges.

Just let me know whenever there's anything you need looking up, or is there anything in particular you'd like me to look at now? --JD554 (talk) 07:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Foo Fighters

I reverted your edit removing the other projects section as I think that other articles like U2 have this to briefly explain what constituent members do outside the band. I realize there is nothing there atm but I'll add some stuff about Dave's drumming appearances and Chris Shiflett's bands - they are mentioned in the FF navbox, but hardly expanded upon at all in the main article. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay fair point. I won't revert you if you wish to take the section out. On another note, I completely missed your first message about sound clips. I'll get that done. I'll do a few - the ones you suggested, and some more (if they are not required then they can be deleted). Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay with this. I intend to create oggs for all the singles, and all the album pages as well. Is this a good idea? Tenacious D Fan (talk) 15:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Newsletter

I'm kinda busy and not sure if I'll be able to get to it for a few days. If you wanna get someone else in the meantime (WP:BOTREQ works) that's cool, otherwise I'll try to get to it before next weekend. Sorry mate, dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 03:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Alternative music newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 14 - May 2008

"I go to a fucking office and I write. I'm not one of these dickheads who opens a beer, high fives his mates and opens his mouth and shit pours out, which he then writes on a beer mat. It doesn't come easy."- Nick Cave Project news "Touch Me I'm Sick", Diorama (album) and Nine Inch Nails live performances reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to Indopug, Dihydrogen Monoxide, and Drewcifer3000. The discographies of Sonic Youth, The Libertines, Foo Fighters and Smoking Popes reached featured list status during the past month. Well done to Drewcifer3000, Indopug, Tenacious D Fan and Teemu08. We collaborated on Superunknown, Supergrass, Kate Bush and Foo Fighters during the past month. During the month of May, The Killers (band), "Under the Bridge", Death Cab for Cutie, Bloc Party, Coldplay, Beck and Ten (Pearl Jam album) were promoted to good article status. This month's "Recommended Alternative Album" is Cocteau Twins - Treasure (1984).

New members Seraphim Whipp, Guitardude3600, Lunar Jesters, Kristmace, Freedom (song), TwentiethApril1986, JD554, Thom, and Sethward joined the alternative music fold during May. Editors User:WesleyDodds

You are receiving this newsletter because you have signed up for WikiProject Alternative music. If you wish to stop receiving this newsletter, or would like to receive it in a different form, add your name to the appropriate section here. This newsletter was delivered by the automated Giggabot (stop!) 07:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NIN man

Hey man, thanks for the note. Yea, I do plan on working on some NIN-album articles soon. Ghosts is at FAC right now, and YZ will be soon. So I guess that leaves the earlier ones, huh? If you could dig up some older sources that would be awesome man. I'm definitely planning on picking up the 33⅓ book on Pretty Hate Machine whenever it (finally) comes out, but other than that I'm pretty source-less. So any help along those lines would be totally appreciated. Drewcifer (talk) 19:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Yea, Amazong says April, but everwhere I look it says it's not been released yet. link. Very strange. Drewcifer (talk) 22:04, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Cool man, very nice finds. Those will definitely come in handy. Drewcifer (talk) 01:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] peer review

I'm seeking a peer review for Batwoman and Batgirl if you'd like to take a shot at it. How've you been btw? Haven't chatted with you in a while. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Methinks no one care about these women. lol. that whole rant on having few FA articles a few months back and there are 3 prime candidates. There haven't been any responses on the project page. Hope all is well. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. I made some adjustments to the article and left two comments/concerns to the review. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm a little flustered. I don't own No Man's Land and I'm having a hard time finding reliable sources describing Cassandra Cain's introduction online. Do you happen to own the graphic novel? The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I specified which issue it was. I just can't seem to find the details for Cain's intro as of yet. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any final notes? I'd like to close the peer review for Batgirl. Also, will you be reviewing Batwoman? It think that article may need more work than Batgirl. Thanks again for your input. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 08:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Everyhit.com

Hi Wesley, I understand about the Wiki policies on sources. No further mention of the website will be made to the opener, but having checked my copy of Guiness British Hit Singles I can confirm the original statement is true, to the best of my knowledge. No other act has had more Hits in the UK Top 40 Singles w/o a no. 1. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 11:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Can ... worms ... everywhere! --JD554 (talk) 12:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Beatles‎

Date of formation: Basic it may be; certain it is not. Was it at the Woolton Fete? Was it when Best joined, or when he was kicked out in favour of Ringo, or was it somewhere in between when Johhny & The Moondogs became the Silver Beetles or when they finally settled on "The Beatles"? That's why I used the word "moot" in my edit summary. You tell me when they actually "formed". --Rodhullandemu 00:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] a-ha

AllMusicGuide sais that there music is a subgenre to alternative rock. So they should be a part of wikiproject alternative music. --Alive Would? Sun (talk) 18:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Beatles

I strongly suggest you stop editing without achieving consensus, lest anyone accuses you of taking ownership of this article. Editors who have been around for a while are not generally best pleased by other editors, however well-intentioned, arriving and saying "I'm going to do this", and just doing it. It doesn't work like that, even though you say it can be reverted, and I guess it will be. There is a proper pace and structure to be followed, and a culture of existing editors to respect. I'm going to try & get some sleep here as it's now 03:37 am, but I'm pretty sure I will be expected to clean up the mess tomorrow. Just please don't leave me a bloody battleground to mop up. Festina lente, as they say. --Rodhullandemu 02:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

You may have a degree in English; I have some degrees too but that doesn't give me any right to override consensus anywhere. However, I'm going to go to bed now in the hope that you will work *with* other editors and not *against* them, and before I block you for disruption, because as I have pointed out to Realist2, I would be criticised, if not de-sysopped, for that. Tomorrow (and tomorrow, and tomorrow...) --Rodhullandemu 02:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Joy Division Zune

Although I doubt it's noteworthiness, I think BurningZeppelin will have been referring to this. --JD554 (talk) 09:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It truly is appalling, as are the other bonus tracks on the 2003 reissue (with the exception Never Stop). I'm not sure why record companies insist on using early versions as bonus tracks – if they were any good they'd have been on the original – rare b-sides, live tracks etc fair enough, but early versions suck.--JD554 (talk) 11:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Which proves my point, they're live versions from the Life at Brian's and Crystal Days sessions and "Angels and Devils" was a b-side. --JD554 (talk) 11:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, will do --JD554 (talk) 08:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cheap Trick

I really don't know how someone gets to be an expert in music on Wikipedia, but it's great for a conversation subject. Pretty darn vast to even think of. I saw a few on the Alice Cooper page that was priceless. The amount of jaded comments was just a turn-off. Vicious kids.

I saw that you were brought in to show your intellectual strength on music. I guess you must know that Cheap Trick's performance at the Budokan is legendary in not only Japan but worldwide. The 1978 album gave them the success that still carries on today thanks to classic rock stations. Yep, they even crossed over to the new-wavers back then. I remember this well growing up and seeing them live. They had an instantly recognizable sound which made them who they are. Even spoke to them about it on numerous occasions.

This is what I love. You did delete quotes from Rick Neilsen about their tour with Queen that Cheap Trick were noticed by a Japanese jounalist. That man who later wrote about them in Japan and led them to worldwide success. From your point of view this means nothing. Try telling that to them. Rick Nielson's thankful for the magazine that started their career's success. I believe you did delete that. Shame. Seriously, this is priceless information about the career of the band taken away on Wikipedia. I would never delete someone's contribution on Wikipedia when rhey spent time typing it out. I don't understand this kind of mentality. I have recently read that people tend to stay away from Wikipedia for this reason. Kinda inevitable to say the least. I hope it was carefully thought out with what you did. Really. I want to tell you about the truth's I am seeing here. I had a similar episode on the Alice Cooper page. The pitter of tiny feet racing to their parents keyboard ready to delete anything that was relevant towards recent 2008 information. A dubious act.

Anyway,Cheap Trick in Japan are more than happy to have made that album I wrote of. Cheap Trick returned to Japan for that reason alone. Again it was deleted on their page by you. Vital career information scratched off about thanking Japan for their continued success with a 30th anniversary concert. Too bad you choose to take it away. I guess it is nothing special, right. Means nothing. You have been informed. But for some reason I don't think you really care.

Thank you, Electric Japan (talk) 07:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fm20080418a1.html

That was added on the page and taken away,Wesley. This is current information that is useful for encyclopedic purposes.

I got nothing against information, but it has to be useful. That was. It was out of the mouth of the musician.

I am really having a hard time with all this on Wikipedia. I'm pretty upbeat about it all, but this is just too much.

In the end, it's about current infomation.

By the way, I hope you read what I said to you previously.

Thanks.

Electric Japan (talk) 07:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Wesley, I just read your point to the CT article. I just can't get it how something like this could be a problwm when it's suppose to add to the article in question. I use to spend more time on here but that has all changed the last few months. Productivity is a good thing when it is used to benefit others on Wikipedia. I tend to write too much about everything really, but this is not going the way it should for a writer or fan of this encyclopedia. If it wasn't relevant then I would not of put it up.

Thanks, Electric Japan (talk) 15:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More NIN!

Hey man. I was wondering if I could ask a favor. I've currently got Year Zero (album) at FAC, and am doing my best to keep up with the suddenly very active FAC. One user suggested a copy edit from another user. Think you could help me out on this one? Even a quick once-over and stuff would be appreciated muchly. Either way, thanks again for those awesome NIN sources. I plan on working on the earlier albums shortly. Drewcifer (talk) 06:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Funny you should mention that: I love doing tables! You got yourself a deal buddy. Drewcifer (talk) 06:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Good stuff, thanks for the offer. Is this the one your talking about? Drewcifer (talk) 22:49, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Of course! I used that one like 20 times in the Year Zero page. Drewcifer (talk) 02:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

So I did what I could on In Bloom and Lithium. I came across a few problems finding sources for alot of the charts, so I labeled those with {{fact}}'s and what not. Lemme know if there's anything else you need. Drewcifer (talk) 15:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Teen Spirit revert

Hey, I'm wondering why you reverted my earlier edit to the Smells Like Teen Spirit article? Thom (talk) 23:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

What of the section header renaming, and the extra track listings in the infobox? Surely "Musical composition" is a clearer title than "Composition"? And "Release, success and acclaim" would probably suit a different context, such as a band biography? The song also appeared in more than one official album by the band; should that not also be mentioned in the infobox? Thom (talk) 09:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I can honestly say I've never listened to them. What is their magnum opus? I'm assuming you are fond of The Cure, when d'you propose the Disintegration article should be tackled? Thom (talk) 10:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kerrang! Legends: Foo Fighters, 2007

Hi there! Sorry to bother you, but I just happened to catch a chat of your with M3tal H3ad from last year, and saw you have the Kerrang! Legends Foo Fighters edition:) I'd like to ask if you could send the text to me in any form, scan it maybe, or I don't know. I'm not sure how long it is, I guess it's not short, so if I'm asking too much, nevermind:) I just ask cause it sounds like a great source (although I have tons of others), and I'll be working on the FF article later, and I am currently working on The Colour and the Shape album (making it a FA hopefully). So, for starters, the parts about this album would be more than enough.. So, that's it:) Thank you very much in advance. Gocsa (talk) 11:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but since I don't know what's in it, I don't know if I need any citations from it:) I don't know if there's anything new in it, I guess so since it's a pretty long and comprehensive summary of the band's history. For example, if there's anything about the second album by the band members/producer/critics/etc. in retrospect, I'd definitely want to know:) Maybe I'll ask some other Foo fans, or the fooarchive.com if they have it:) Gocsa (talk) 22:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Some stuff about the tour might interest me, but it's possible I won't need it, I'm only in early stages of the article's development:) There's a 1997 Guitar World article up on the fooarchive.com, here, is it the same? Gocsa (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, by the way, sorry to bother you with this, but does this page work for you, or is it only me who can't see anything? I mean, it opens and I see everything, the years on the left, and I can click them, but then no text appears, none of the years work. Gocsa (talk) 23:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Drain You

Hey just wondering why you keep reverting my edit of Drain You. I put the page number and quotation on it like you asked...

[edit] Oldies

Half Man Half Biscuit, Membranes, Waterboys, Pogues, Nirvana, Sonic Youth. Ceoil (talk) 17:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)