Talk:Westside (Los Angeles County)

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Contents 1 Moved this text 2 'Hollywood' business 3 Rappers' nomenclature 4 Criteria for inclusion? 5 "The" 310 6 "East of the Pacific Ocean" 7 Exposition Light Rail 8 Request for sources 9 Requested move 10 Is Malibu in the Westside? 11 Result of No Sources

[edit] Moved this text

I moved this text here from West Los Angeles because that name refers only to one neighborhood while the article was about the whole region (The Westside). View the history of that page for this text before I pasted it here. We decided to paste (rather than move) in order to keep the old page around with the topic of the more specific neighborhood. There may have been a better way to do it, I apologize if this messes anything up. See Talk:West Los Angeles. EmergentProperty 00:48, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

OK - so now the page is titled "West Los Angeles (region)". Why don't we have a discussion to decide what the name should be. When I hear "West Los Angeles" I think the particular neighborhood. When I hear "The Westside" I think of the region. This seems to hold true with most people I talk to. So I vote for some variation of "Westside". EmergentProperty 03:03, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 'Hollywood' business

I removed the sentence, "Indeed, far more "Hollywood" business is conducted on the Westside than in Hollywood itself." from the business section because it's not entirely true. It depends what kind of "Hollywood" business you're talking about. There's still a lot of editing, props, effects, and other ancillary industries in Hollywood. And don't forget Burbank. EmergentProperty 22:57, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rappers' nomenclature

Rappers do not say "Westside" because they are from West Los Angeles, but from the West "coast" of the USA. Which refers to the word Westside as well. No? (21 November 2006)

[edit] Criteria for inclusion?

According to the description at the top of the article, the cities of Hawthorne, Manhattan Beach, and Torrance should not belong. Unless someone can provide a good justification for their inclusion, I will delete them. BlankVerse ∅ 20:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the South Bay. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "The" 310

I have never heard this area refered to as "The 310." Unless we can get a good reference for this "fact," I propose removing the section — say, on December 29, which will make a good start to the new year. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

The term exists, even though it is not completely accurate - as Beverly Hills and Culver City, while mostly in the 310 area code, do have areas that are part of the 323 area code (although very few residents of Culver City live in the tiny part of that city within the 323 area code)

[edit] "East of the Pacific Ocean"

No kidding? bearstory 07:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Exposition Light Rail

Should we add mention of this project to the transportation section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.10.41.94 (talk) 23:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for sources

I am beginning a project to source all of this information and to remove that which cannot be verified. I removed the asserted "boundaries" of the Westside as unsourced, but I am retaining it here in case anybody wants to find sources and work it into the article.

West Los Angeles (also known as West L.A. or the Westside) is generally considered to be the portion of Los Angeles, California that lies east of the Pacific Ocean, west of La Cienega Boulevard (or, by some, Fairfax or even La Brea Avenue), south of the Santa Monica Mountains, and north of the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). (Compare to East Los Angeles or South Los Angeles.) It is bordered on the west by the Pacific Ocean, on the northwest by Ventura County and the Conejo Valley, on the north by the San Fernando Valley, on the east by Hollywood district and the Wilshire area, and on the south by South Los Angeles and South Bay.

Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I found a source, rewrote the above description (which could not be backed up), added the source, and somebody removed it (no reason given). So I put it back in a modified form. Yours sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not an Angeleno, so excuse me if I get some of this wrong, but isn't one problem with sourcing this article the fact that "westside" is not an official designation, but an informal one, used (for instance) by real estate agents and in everyday conversation, but not supported by any kind of governmental delineation? The closest thing I can find to an official area which is close to "Westside" is County Supervisorial Area #3 (map), and even that encompasses much more to both the east and west than is meant by "westside" as defined here.

Without an official designation of what "westside" is, I think it's going to be difficult to find support for the many claims made about it in the article, since every potential source is going to use a slightly different definition. I hope I'm wrong, but that's how it looks to me after some amount of poking around. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 21:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

For any of the statements, we might want to include the exact geographic area that the Source is talking about, if we can find it. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 03:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

This article has been renamed from West Los Angeles (region) to Westside (Los Angeles County) as the result of a move request.

[edit] Is Malibu in the Westside?

I couldn't find any sources that say Malibu is part of the Westside. In fact, the Malibu Times seems to be fairly consistent that it is not. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Result of No Sources

I removed all the unsourced material as a compendium of hearsay, speculation, rumor and stereotype. This has been tagged for quite a while and nobody has stepped forth to verify any of these supposed facts. I sent messages to most of the editors who have worked on this article over the past year or two. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

"Tagged for quite a while"? - those tags are dated December 2007, I'd hardly call a couple of months "quite a while". And speaking of that, your call for sources dates from about a week month or so ago (corrected - I was mistaken, the notice of the sourcing problem was posted on my talk page about a week ago) - I think it would be appropriate to give it a little more time before deleting a lot of material.

It would be different if you suspected that the information is not true, as opposed to not supported by citation, which is not the same thing. Is that the case? If so, then I can understand your deleting material that you know to be false. But this is not a courtroom where black is white if the judge or a stipulation says it is, we're allowed to use our common sense to decide which material is factual and which is not, regardless of the state of its sourcing.

in the long run, yes, all factual material should be sourced, but the grim fact of the matter is that a significant percentage of the material on Wikipedia is not sourced. That means it's more productive to work toward sourcing it then it is to delete it on sight simply because it's unsourced.

I hope I'm being clear in what I'm saying. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 17:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I assume the author of the above note is writing in Good Faith, although the wording is quite peremptory. Let's give it a while longer! Cheers! GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I had to intent to be peremptory. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 17:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I've moved this discussion down to the bottom of the page, where it will be more easily seen by people. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 17:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)