Talk:Westernization

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[edit] Error of Fact

Acculturation is not a specific term for Westernisation. Children are accultrated when they are socialised into any culture. China is acculturating Tibetans, Mongols and Manchu into Han society as Japan has acculturated the Ainu. This needs correctionJohn D. Croft 19:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Conrad Phillip and his book Window on Humanity actually should be cited as Conrad Phillip Kottak. He even has his own webpage on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Kottak. See, Window on Humanity: Conrad Phillip Kottak: ISBN 9780072890280. I changed it, but it was changed back. Susanmazur (talk) 22:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edward Said's criticism

I've only read about what Said had to say, but doesn't he make the case that "the west" is a phony construct of some sort. He wrote a book titled "Orientalism". I'm pretty sure that book talks about "the other", as compared to "the west", i.e. western Europe and its off-shoots. VeriGGlater 10:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious

In the Territorial Section, I'm pretty sure it's indisputable that the roots of the West were Judeo-Christian. Try http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/terrorism/root_cause.htm , http://astro.temple.edu/~ruby/wava/forbis/forbis-four.html or http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0365/is_n4_v41/ai_20377514/pg_4 Devv2 (talk) 20:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Territories: Japan is Western and Latin America no???

I think there is a poor conception of what is to be Western. The cultural roots of countries like Japan and Israel are in the Asian cultures, while it is not enlisted Latin America. Western culture can not be confused only with industrialized nations. If it were like that, you should enlist Qatar es "Western".

To that Aznar said:

"Latin America is a moral en cultural community, which forms a major part OF THE WESTERN WORLD; although some people try to deny the region of these characteristic values" (Latin America: an Agenda for Freedom. José Maria Aznar, in GCG Magazie, Georgetown University, 2007).

El Viajero Paisa (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Turkey, western?

According to the map Turkey is sometimes considered western. By whom, when and why? Turkey is an Islamic country located on the border between Asia and Europe. It's true that the country has been under a lot of Western influence but so has almost every country in this world. In my opinion Subsaharan Africa has been at least as westernised as Turkey. Finally I just want to say that I think that westernisation is a sad thing. Aaker (talk) 19:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I think this article needs quite alot of work. It appears any emerging industrial market has been labeled as "Western." Japan, for example, is less than 1% Christian. In essence, this means their values are of an entirely different origin, and Christian influence is entirely inorganic to their culture. How can that possibly be seen as "under the influence of Western culture?" Turkey is also a poor example; they only have marginal influence from Western culture (their largest cultural influences are Persian, Islamic, and Byzantine). The only Asian countries that can possibly be considered "under Western cultural influence" are countries that have indelibly adopted cultural elements of the West into their society. For example, South Korea or the Philippines. In Japan, they don't even study the history of the West in their school system, except in its relationship to colonialism. How can they possibly be considered Westernized if their population is wholly illiterate in Western history? I think this has become somewhat of a trophy case of countries that are industrialized or in the process of industrialization, and the Western world wants to claim them all. -Rosywounds (talk) 15:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Turkey is a country whose majority of inhabitants consider themselves to be western, and that is a powerful argument, since there is no judge for "westernism". Also, its past reincarnations are deeply involved in the history of Europe, the continent where the west was born. Finally, Turkey is a member of NATO, the western military alliance and one of the definitions of the west, particularly during the cold war; and is a recognised official candidate to the EU. 84.90.16.239 (talk) 18:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

"Turkey is a country whose majority of inhabitants consider themselves to be western" Source? "Also, its past reincarnations are deeply involved in the history of Europe" So Spain is an Islamic country? "Turkey is a member of NATO" So Sweden is not a Western country? IMO culture and membership in international organisations are two different things. Yes Turkey has been a victim to a lot of this Westernisation, but not to the degree that I'd call it western country. Aaker (talk) 23:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

TURKEY IS A SECULAR COUNTRY! Turkey has a large number of muslims but is not an islamic country and it has a constitution that forbids Islamism. I couldn't say whether or not Turkey is a western nation but i would say its close ties to Europe and the US would be evidence for it being so.(86.158.127.52 (talk) 02:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Don't post in this section? then where should we post

I really don't understand what they mean by create another talk page. How can you create another talk page for discussing "westernisation" . As far as I know, it can only be done on this page.

I need to discuss this article. So where do I post. Pl. can the moderators be clearer and avoid all this confusion. Why don't you take the archive elsewhere. This page should be for current discussions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masculinity (talk • contribs) 04:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I debate the statement: Westernisation is usually a two way process

I know that in India, westernisation has been forced upon India ever since Britishers came here. Even today it is done through 'buying' certain powerful elements from our society through investing economically and technologically in our society. I would like this statement to be changed. Anyone has objections? (Masculinity (talk) 05:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC))