Talk:West Country Carnival

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[edit] Peer review

Having now added some pictures to the article, and with others upped the quality/verbage of the text, I have asked for a peer review of the article. You can see the status of the review here. Rgds, - Trident13 22:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Clubs

JzG decided to remove the list of clubs and their links, quoting WP:EL and WP:NOT as his reasons. I don't think this editor realises that these clubs are all charities, or their role in this festival - plus when the article was peer reviewed, not one editor picked up on this issue. I have re-added the list of clubs with the links, BUT excluding those blacklisted by Wiki rules - there were three, which you can see from the edit record: two .to's and one webring. I assume this editors applications were just a maintenance procedure and was applied "carte blanche," but this seems to be a mistake and applied out of context. Rgds, - Trident13 21:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The list of carnival clubs is a key part of the article as it shows how big an event the carnivals are in Somerset. Maybe it could be made better by listing some of the awards won by individual clubs.--Cheesy Mike 09:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Largest Light Festival???

There has been a bit of an edit war re the "largest light festival in Europe" claim. I don't think that can apply to just one location in the Carnival Circuit (ie - Bridgwater), but in whole to the main circuit starting with the Bridgwater event. I am going to find some more refs, but input from others would be useful. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 16:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

160,000 visitants is far less than 4,000,000 visitors of Fête des lumières. Your source is not reliable when there is advertised that it is the greatest light festival of Europe. Facts speak Trident. Show me a number greater than 4,000,000. Only than you can convince me. Davin7 (talk) 18:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I have again reverted your edits. I have seen the 4million claim for Fête des lumières, but they are all from commercial tourist sites - which wouldn't pass WP:RS. The Fête des lumières article also lacks WP:RS in itself, but in light of your attack on me - when I am try to solve an edit war - I think is very unhelpful and highly provocative. As I said, I have placed a fact tag on this article, lets see the debate continue. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 19:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Please don't adopt a victim role, since there is no attack on you; next to that you're one of the writers of the article and not a mediator. Please look at the facts, for instance more than 800 sources at google that state a number of 4 million visitors. Here's the Official Tourist Office, as reliable as the current bridgwatercarnival source. Davin7 (talk) 20:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
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Here's another source that shows that the article does definitely not describe the greatest light event: Fireworks i.e. Sylvester-eve. I'm going to correct the text again from the untrue statement. Please don't revert it, since the remark in the text is just an advertisement of a biased organization. Davin7 (talk) 08:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
The number of nearly four million visitors for 2006 is written on the official website of the fête des lumières: [1] (The man's picture is the mayor of Lyon). It's just the facts. It's realy unbelievable but it's true, I live there. We don't need an edit war for that! I could help you in order to find some no commercial sources. Cordialement Otourly (talk) 11:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC) Otourly Member of the french wikipedia project Projet:Lyon
Here's why I think this is worth debating and gaining concensus around, rather than just editting/warring - as seems Davin7 wants! Yes, I wrote the original article, and was happy then to include the "claim" as it was in both the official website and the local media. But, as with many "marketing" claims, I doubt the claim it which it is written is correct - much like I presently doubt that the claims around Fête des lumières are also incorrect - 4million people, one night: Hmmmm. Still, I am presently not worried about Fête des lumières, just this article. The local newspaper/s which would be considered tenable under WP:RS replicate the claim every year - so hence, others could read the claim and come back an edit it in, much like Davin7 in his edit war had going with another editor. My view is that the claim as written by the carnival's marketing team and replicated in the media is incorrect - something along the lines of Europe's largest moving light festival or multi-site light festival would be closer to the verifiable truth: Notting Hill Carnival is the claimed largest carnival in Europe, and that's still disputed by many. I would therefore prefer concensus on what or how things are measured across a number of events, so that if we are to contradict a WP:RS (here and probably in other articles), we have agreement across a number of editors. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 15:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, I must to add an elementary thing! The Fête des lumières didn't have four million visitors during a night! The fête des lumières generally last for four nights (including the weekend) with a record of frequentation the eight. Also this event is one of the arguments for Lyon to be the European cultural capital's. Contrary to the Notting Hill Carnival which is a popular festival in his country, the Fête des lumières is strangely unknown in France! But it changing this last years. I understand why you don't want to change that, and I understand how it could be difficult to count how many visitors have seen an event! Sorry for my poor English! Cordialement Otourly (talk) 15:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)