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[edit] Ohio Wesleyan Misinformation

On many of Ohio Wesleyan University's foreign language pages, the author has erroneosly named the institution Wesleyan University. This leads to misinformation. Could someone who understands these languages please rectify this? 24.2.244.245 05:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambig'ing pages

I've gone through and disambig'd the dozen or so articles that linked here, refering them all the their appropriate place (I hope!). The only one remaining is on some user's Talk page, and is part of some complex filing system that I wouldn't want to mess with.
--Asbestos 02:06, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Other Wesleyans

I arrived at the "twenty-two" universities figure from this page: http://www.nwjc.ac.jp/en/top/links/#001

The list includes

 Wesleyan University              Connecticut, USA
 Wesleyan College                 Georgia, USA
 Dakota Wesleyan University       South Dakota, USA
 Illinois Wesleyan University     Illinois, USA
 Indiana Wesleyan University      Indiana, USA
 Iowa Wesleyan College            Iowa, USA
 Kansas Wesleyan University       Kansas, USA
 Kentucky Wesleyan College        Kentucky, USA
 Nebraska Wesleyan University     Nebraska, USA
 North Carolina Wesleyan College  North Carolina, USA
 Ohio Wesleyan University         Ohio, USA
 Roberts Wesleyan College         New York, USA
 Southern Wesleyan University     South Carolina, USA
 Texas Wesleyan University        Texas, USA
 Virginia Wesleyan College        Virginia, USA
 West Virginia Wesleyan College   West Virginia, USA
 Tennessee Wesleyan College       Tennessee, USA
 Bartlesville Wesleyan College    Oklahoma, USA
 Central Wesleyan College         South Carolina, USA
 Nagasaki Wesleyan Jr. College    Nagasaki Prefecture, Japan
 Nagasaki Wesleyan University     Nagasaki Prefecture, Japan

--Asbestos, 2004 Oct 31


[edit] Order of any referenced universities

Hi, anonymous editor (132.236.193.62). I reverted your edit because you removed the reference to the 20 other "Wesleyan" universities, and randomly decided to switch the order of Wesleyan University and Ohio Wesleyan University. I assume that you are either a student/alumnus of Ohio Wesleyan, or are otherwise enamored with it, from your numerous contributions to its own Wiki entry.

However, as Wesleyan University was the first "Wesleyan" university founded, and since a Google search of "Wesleyan" comes up with it as its first hit (suggesting more links and references to it, suggesting that Wesleyan University is better known), it would appear to make make sense for it to be the first citation.

As for removing my references to the other twenty Wesleyan's, is Ohio Wesleayn any more of a "Wesleyan" than Wesleyan College, Central Wesleyan College, Dakota Wesleyan University, or any of the others?

I'm not trying to start an edit war, so do let me know here why you think otherwise. :)
--Asbestos 00:03, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)


It would be really good if you could post here first before reverting, or we'll never get anywhere. Could you please explain why you *again* thought it necessary to switch the order of Wesleyan University and Ohio Wesleyan?

To add further arguments to those above, let me also mention that, not only does Google find that Wesleyan University is referenced more often AND linked more often to than Ohio Wesleyan, more Wikipedia articles link to the fomer as well (55 links to Wesleyan University, compared to 37 to Ohio Wesleyan).

More importantly, ALL of the articles that linked to the disambiguation page (this one) that were about universities meant to link to Wesleyan University, and NONE of them meant to link to Ohio Wesleyan (this was before I went through and disambig'd all the pages). Following Wikipedia's principle of "least surprise," those pages would be less surprised to come to a dismbig page who's first link was Wesleuan U, as opposed to Ohio Wesleyan.

Given that you are the same person that keeps inserting irrelevant Ohio Wesleyan references into Wesleyan U's own wikipedia article, I realize that you have a very high opinion of your university. I'd like you to please follow Wikipedia's NPOV principles, however, and also to post in the talk pages of those articles you revert before you revert them.

I've now reverted this page again. Please post here if you choose to revert yet again.

--Asbestos 20:44, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Google.com is not an authoritative source for anything. If you feel you need to add information info, please do so, but do not delete other useful information. My opinion about any university is not sufficient ground to change the order of the entries. However, I created the page and I put the Ohio Wesleyan University entry, so any other other addition has to come after it. I apologize, but google.com is not a strong rationale.

~~PN


Hi PN, thanks for finally getting back to me.

First, your arguments in order: Google is a fine source for finding how how the internet as a whole views different sites. Searching for "Wesleyan" comes up with "Wesleyan University" as its fist link. This implies that more sites refer to www.wesleyan.edu by the term "Wesleyan" than they do any other site, including Ohio Wesleyan. In this sense, Google is a majority's voice arbiter.

Second, Google wasn't my only source, I also used the number of links to the two sites on Wikipedia, and, most importantly, the sites that linked to the disambiguation page. You had a disambiguation page where the very first entry was "Ohio Wesleyan University", yet not one single page that linked to the disambig page meant to go to Ohio Wesleyan. Several of them, however, meant to go to Wesleyan University. This point was very clearly described in my last post.

Third, why do you think I deleted information? If anything, you or the previous anonymous user deleted the fact that twenty other Wesleyans exist, and I'm very pleased that you decided to leave that information this time around. However, I most certainly did not delete a single word from this entry since I started editing this page.

Finally, the fact that you created this page does not give you total control over it, so that shouldn't enter into the discussion. Wikipedia articles or disambig pages are for the good of the community as a whole, and are not supposed to be vanity presses, nor are they supposed to preferentially point to pages that shouldn't be preferentially pointed to. You and/or other users have clearly made it your mission to point as many pages possible to Ohio Wesleyan uni, including yet again inserting an irrelevant reference to it within Wesleyan University's page and a clearly POV edit in the Methodism page where you claimed that "The most famous school among [originally Methodist] institutions is the prestigious Ohio Wesleyan University in Delaware, Ohio," which is not only POV but also incorrect, unless you cite your reference. I'd appreciate it if you would not only give an argument for why Ohio should be inserted into these random places, but also why you insist on placing Ohio Wesleyan first on this page, a question that I asked you in my last post, yet one which you have not yet answered.

I'm reverting this page. Unfortunately I cannot follow Wikipedia's recommendation of finding neutral ground, as our edits are mutually exclusive. If you wish to change it back, please describe what makes you place Ohio Wesleyan in front of Wesleyan University, and perhaps we can make this into a proper discussion.

Thank you very much, --Asbestos 02:03, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] trivial issue

I cannot imagine why this trivial issue is of such importance to Ranamim. He suggests on my talk page (writing in what seems to me a mildly threatening and sometimes insulting style), that as an alumnus of Wesleyan University (which I am) I am biased and should refrain from editing this disambiguation page.

For the most part, I don't feel any personal stake in which university is listed first. I only came into this because User:Asbestos asked me to have a look at this page and I attempted a rewrite. For what it is worth, I've stated my case on Ranamim's user page and will reproduce that here:

Yes, for the record, I am an alumnus of Wesleyan University. You ask (without apparently wanting an answer), why should Wesleyan University be listed on the disambiguation page Wesleyan ahead of Ohio Wesleyan University? The answer is because "Wesleyan University" is commonly called "Wesleyan", just like "Harvard University" is commonly called "Harvard", "Williams College" is commonly called "Williams" and "Ohio Wesleyan University" is commonly called "Ohio Wesleyan". Normally, I wouldn't expect Ohio Wesleyan to show up on the disambiguation page of "Wesleyan" at all -- no more so than Bartlesville Wesleyan, Illinois Wesleyan, etc. I left it there as a courtesy because some editor (I take it, you) seemed to believe that it was commonly called just "Wesleyan" (if it is, I suspect it is a very local usage in Ohio). However, certainly in most contexts if someone refers just to "Wesleyan" they mean Wesleyan University, not Ohio Wesleyan University, just like if someone refers to "Columbia" they presumably mean the one in New York, not the one in Missouri. "First post" has nothing to do with it. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:32, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

I have no intention of acting further on this myself in terms of the text of this article; as I say, it seems to me a relatively trivial matter.

I think the record here speaks for itself as to who is or is not biased and who is taking an excessive stake in that matter. Ranamim says I should stay out of this because I am an alumnus of Wesleyan University. I would be rather surprised if he/she has no association with Ohio Wesleyan. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:58, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Summary of Asbestos's Position

I am going to attempt to summarize my position on this issue:

I believe that
  • Entries within a disambiguation follow a specific order, based on
  • How likely it is that an article's title would be confused with the disambiguation page title, and
  • How well-known or well-referenced a given subject is. This would correlate to how much interest there is in this subject.
I have shown that
  • Potential confusions:
  • The majority of articles that originally linked to this disambiguation meant to link to the Methodism article,
  • The rest of the articles meant to link to Wesleyan University,
  • None of those articles meant to linked to Ohio Wesleyan University (you have shown skepticism of these claims in the past. If you like you can see all the pages I disambiged in my contribution list (on Nov 4th) [1]),
  • A Google search in the form ("studied at wesleyan" -"wesleyan university" -"wesleyan college") (i.e. aimed at getting any references to any page that mentions a educational place named "Wesleyan" without the words "university" or "college" tacked on to the end) finds that ALL of the articles that say "so-and-so studied at Wesleyan" refer specifically to Wesleyan University. None of them refered to Ohio Wesleyan University. This would be evidence that more people refer to WU by the term "Wesleyan" than they do OWU. In the past, you claimed that just as many people refer to Ohio Wesleyan University as "Wesleyan," but you have yet to show evidence to back up your claim.
  • How well known a subject is:
  • A Google search of "Wesleyan" shows "Wesleyan University" as its first hit. By Google's page rank system, we know that this means more pages linked to Wesleyan University by using the word "Wesleyan" than they did any other page,
  • A Google search of "from wesleyan university" (i.e. aimed at picking out a subset of those articles which mention "Wesleyan University" without a named tacked on the begining) returns 13,200 pages, a search of "from ohio wesleyan university" returns 3,070 pages (if you can think of a better way of counting the number of pages that refer to Wesleyan U without a prefix, let me know, but this should return approximately equally-proportionate subsets from both),
  • Until I mentioned it, spurring you to copy-and-paste the dozen articles from the web to link to OWU (you have thankfully edited some of these articles now) and delete valid links to WU, more Wikipedia articles linked to WU than OWU.
As far as I can gather from our conversation above, your arguments for your position have been
  • My arguments don't necessarily prove anything,
  • You were here first.
If you feel that this is not an acurate portrayal of your position, please point me to any of your previously-made comments of yours that would correct me.


Ranamim, the only reason that I am so verbosely continuing what Jmabel refered to as a "trivial argument" is that

  • you refuse to state valid reasons for your position (beyond the two "arguments" above),
  • you have implied that the only reason I disagree with you is that I (and Jmabel) are biased, rather than seeing that I disagree with you for the reasons on list above,
  • you have conducted yourself in an unprofessional manner by: reverting pages without stating why; adding copyright material to Wikipedia without citation in an attempt to win a "point"; accusing me of violating copyright by uploading images, which stated they were uploaded under Fair Use, while having uploaded simlar images which contained no statement of Fair Use; offering a quid-pro-quo agreement to me where-by you would stop added irelevant links to OWU from the Wesleyan University page if I would let you keep your order on this page; and warning Jmabel and myself in our personal talk pages that "Things would get ugly" if we continued debating this with you.


I am, however, perfectly open to accepting a compromise whereby all the "Wesleyan" universities are listed, in the order that they show up in on a Google search for "Wesleyan" (for the reasons explained above). For some bizzare reason you deleted my list of the 20 other Wesleyans from this talk page, but fortunately I can find it from the article's history. I am editing the article to reflect my proposed compromise.


If you don't feel like accepting this compromise, could you please state your position in a similar manner to the way I did, or we'll never be able to see where we are in this discussion.

Thank you,
--Asbestos 22:46, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Associated Press

As for your continual deletion of links, did you see four of the ones you keep deleting link to actual articles? And as for the rest, have you seen the Mercury disambiguation page - the page cited most in Wikipedia's tutorial on disambig's? The extra links are there if someone were to create such a page: they shouldn't need to know that they need to come here and update this page. That's the great think about Wikipedia: you have links that become active when people create the article. Have you truely never noticed the Red Links on the OWU page, or did you just think that those ones should be kept and these ones not?
--Asbestos 21:45, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Actually, (1) the first paragraph refers to "Ohio's Wesleyan University", which is simply wrong. And for whatever it's worth, this article on CNN's site is attributed to Associated Press. To me, this looks like a simple screwup by AP, probably passed along without even a proofread by CNN. Things happen. A carefully chosen sample of size one doesn't demonstrate much. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:59, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Since standard style at both AP and CNN is to refer to something by its proper name first, this incorrect first use suggests that (despite having a prestigious employer) this reporter was either incompetent or confused. This "thirteenth strike of the clock" makes this a useless citation in terms of examples of common usage of "Wesleyan University": either this reporter or a proofreader or someone in the chain screwed up at least once on a name issue in this article, so it is hardly authoritative. And, yes, I would accept an AP or CNN article that didn't have a flaw like this as much stronger evidence that in a national scope Ohio Wesleyan University might sometimes be called Wesleyan University.

By the way, I am formally asking you to stop the ad hominem attacks. If this continues, I will start a Request for Comment. I've been involved in Wikipedia over a year and I've never gone that route, but I don't believe I've ever before been accused of being unknowledgable, obstinate, intellectually lazy, or having poor reasoning skills, and being accused of all four by one person with whom I've interacted over only one trivial matter is a bit much. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:20, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] name ordering controversy

Hi folks

As far as I know the schools with "Wesleyan" in their name are generally known locally as just "Wesleyan."

Wesleyan University in CT is the most exclusive of the bunch and has maintained a constant low-level PR campaign to position itself as the real "Wesleyan," with the goal of requiring all others to use adjectives, and states that this is because it was founded some years before the others. At one point they sold a T shirt that was part of this campaign, that included a more lengthy list of schools than the one we have here, with a punch line to the effect of the Middletown, CT school being the only actual "Wesleyan."

I don't believe that here at Wikipedia it is appropriate for us to buy into the PR. List the schools alphabetically.

For what it's worth, of the others, Ohio Wesleyan is probably the most well known nationally. The remaining schools draw chiefly local or regional students.

uc 21:50, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi UC,
Fortunately, I don't believe there's any more order contoversy: The links are alphabetical and noone seems to be threatening to change that.
You're last comment, though, while irrelevent in the context of this article as it stands, is surprising. What's your source? --Asbestos 21:59, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Edit: Oh, "of the others, Ohio Wesleyan...." I see. Woops. --Asbestos 22:00, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
By the way, the t-shirt in question was created by undergrads in the 1980s. I don't remember the University itself selling it, although unsurprisingly the university book store, Atticus Books, took the opportunity. I believe (although I'm not certain) that Atticus is an independent business. It moved off campus around 1974.
And for whatever it's worth, I agree that Ohio Wesleyan is probably the second best-known school with "Wesleyan" in the name. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:05, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
I probably will agree that the Wesleyan in CT is more well-known by a slight margin to Ohio's Wesleyan but I believe this is only due to the fact that the one in CT is twice as big (and hardly a college) and because of its location (Northeast vs Midwest). Otherwise, both schools recruit nationally and are known to pretty much everyone who knows anything about liberal arts colleges.

Ranamim


[edit] Chronological order

Putting them in chronological order does two things, it is a neutral plan, and it also gets the more likely sought after schools close to the top. Generally speaking, people are more likely to be looking for institutions that have been around for some time compared to ones just a few dacades old. The chart also distinguishes the ones that are still Methodist-related from others, and does it quickly and clearly. Someone recently took the chart apart, and I restored it.

  • The disambiguation manual covers this in greater length. Alphabetical order is the least controversial order as it doesn't assume that any one of the institutions is more sought after than another. If you think that any one is most common than another, please point to a legitimate reference and place the reference in the page. Sharekept99 20:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

"As it doesn't assume that any one of the institutions is more sought after than another" a patently erroneous assumption. Reversed.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.133.124.199 (talk • contribs) 00:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC).

If you read this page alone, there is a consensus here that a) Wesleyan at Middletown is the largest and likely the most looked for, probably followed by Ohio Wesleyan. That alone shows that an alphabetical listing is less than adequate.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.133.124.195 (talk • contribs) 02:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC).

  • It looks like the last edits were made by the same IP address originating from Wesleyan University that does not wish to register, yet engages in ad hominem attacks. This user is already engaging in edit wars with Rbellin, who left a comment on the IP's talk page "Wikipedia has policies on civility and assuming good faith, and guidelines on good manners. Considering that there has been a bunch of quite belligerent recent edits from this and other similar IP addresses, I'd suggest you read those policies (as well as familiarizing yourself with WP:NPOV, our core policy on bias). Otherwise you may end up blocked from editing. -- Rbellin|Talk 04:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Imageunit (talk • contribs) 20:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC). (and copied from here
    The list was in chronological order before the edits by 129.133.124.195 et al. And I can't find any mention of alphabetical order in the disambiguation manual WP:MOSDAB. It instead promotes ordering by usage. -- JHunterJ 21:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
    JHunterJ, the list has always been alphabetical precisely to avoid an argument on the page about which university is better known as "Wesleyan" than another. The June 4, 2006 edit by user:Jmabel spells out exactly that. It was the February 14, 2006 edit by User:Ychennay that the arguments about which is better known (redressed in which is the oldest) reappeared. A quick look at the other edits of User:Ychennay quickly reveals that he is not an unbiased editor. Imageunit 22:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Untrue, it has not always been in alphabetical order, and has been functioning quite nicely without intervention. Nor does this have anything to do with Ychennay, and you shouldn't leap to personalization of this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.133.124.203 (talk • contribs) 31 May 2007

I just happened to check by here. I think chronological order is probably the best solution in this case (because it conveys interesting, non-obvious information), and the existing table is useful.
I would also like to point out, just in case the immediately above appears to be an exchange between an established editor and an anon, that Imageunit has edited only this article and this talk page, and has not otherwise contributed to Wikipedia. His/her remark mischaracterizes my June 2006 edit, which was simply to remove an assertion as to which universities by this name are best known. - Jmabel | Talk 18:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
You appear to be a seasoned editor, yet you somehow sympathize with other anonymous editors adding claims that are highly controversial. I don't think the one-time editor who removed the assertion above did anything out of the ordinary. Can you provide a citation for this claim (in my opinion an incorrect one) that had been inserted. Ordermagic 05:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I have restored the chronological order. Alphabetical is NOT always best; it is NOT required.66.217.179.97 15:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the alphabetical order will reduce any arguments regarding who is more or less entitled among the Wesleyans to hold the the title. Ordermagic 05:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

That makes no sense whatsoever. There is only one Wesleyan University. There is no question at all that that Wesleyan is "entitled" "to hold the the title." All the others have qualifying adjectives, and needed to have them since their origin. This is NOT equivalent to the two Trinity Universities arguing over who gets to be called Trinity University. Nor does this page even address that issue either, the point is to have the more requested and familiar at the top. Chronological does that. As admirable an institution as Dakota Wesleyan may be, having it head the list becase it starts with a D is silly.

Chronological roughly approximates liklihood of requests :

Name Google hits Wesleyan University 1,760,000 Wesleyan College 799,000 Genessee Wesleyan 1,450 Ohio Wesleyan 368,000 Iowa Wesleyan 96,300 Illinois Wesleyan 280,000 Tennessee Wesleyan 50,100 Kentucky Wesleyan 126,000 Nagasaki Wesleyan 26,500 Dakota Wesleyan 76,100 Nebraska Wesleyan 147,000 Texas Wesleyan 163,000 West Virginia 116,000 Southern Wesleyan 73,600 Oklahoma Wesleyan 47,400 Indiana Wesleyan 286,000 Roberts Wesleyan 101,000 North Carolina 78,600 Virginia Wesleyan 246,000

  • Perhaps you missed the title of this page. It is about Wesleyan, not Wesleyan University. Many schools are referred to as Wesleyan. I trust that you have the requisite research skills to find to what extent my claim is true. The truth is you can not impose your perspective on the entire page on which school you think should have a right to be referred as Wesleyan only. Some have a historical right, some religious, some a self-identity one.

READ THE LIST! Roberts Wesleyan is named "Roberts Wesleyan". It is NOT named Wesleyan. This is NOT a dispute about 20 schools with the same name. This is not about whether some people think one institution has A GREATER RIGHT to the name. Only one HAS the name. (With the exception of the Phillipine school.) Only one is "Wesleyan University". What is it about that fact that you can't see? Texas Wesleyan University is Texas Wesleyan University---that's it's name. It has nothing to do with favoritism. It has nothing to do with "imposing perspective". Listen bright guy, go print out the list and find all the institutions named "Wesleyan University," use a pencil if you have to.

Related to your next point, you surely must notice that "Wesleyan University" in the hits for google.com catches all the other "XX Wesleyan University" universities because that's just how google works. Ordermagic 05:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

This is not a dispute between places with identical names. This is a disambiguation page for the term Wesleyan. By rights, only Wesleyan University (Connecticut), Wesleyan College (Georgia), and Wesleyan University (Philippines), should be on it at all. That the __________ Wesleyans are on it at all is out of conciliation of their greivances as to being left out. Chronological order puts the most likely usages of the term to the top of the list. Alphabetical is not mandatory. 159.247.3.210 20:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Where is the "right" defined, by WP policies, as you use it? Ohio Wesleyan University or any other school with Wesleyan in its name has as much right to be referred to as Wesleyan than any other school. It is unfortunate that this is causing much confusion but no school has a natural right or a monopoly over the term. Having said this, I encourage editors to accept a fairly non-controversial convention when rights over a term or contributions are disputed: the alphabetic order. Unfortunately, WP policies are unclear about such matters. Billspilok 14:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. It would have a right to be referred to as Wesleyan if that's what it's name was. But it's name is Ohio Wesleyan. That's it's name, and you can't change that. The people who founded that college called it Ohio Wesleyan for a reason. Why can't you accept the name of your own college? You should be proud of it and not ashamed of it. The non-controversial convention that has been chosen is chronological order.

  • My own college? I am a student at Wesleyan College. The one in Georgia. Billspilok

So that makes you... not the person being addressed above?

  • What are you talking about? Billspilok 08:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Being belligerent is not helpful. The list should be chronological. There is no reasonable rationale for listing Dakota Wesleyan first. 66.217.176.142 16:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

  • The reasonable rationale for listing Dakota Wesleyan first is that D comes first in the alphabet. With alphabetical order, we sidestep all arguments about which Wesleyan has the right to come first in the list.Billspilok (talk) 17:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
  • The reasonable rationale for listing Wesleyan University first is that 1837 comes first in chronological order. With chronological order, we sidestep all arguments about which Wesleyan has the right to come first in the list. Further, Wesleyan University is named Wesleyan, Dakota Wesleyan is named Dakota Wesleyan. This page is for disambig-ing institutions named Wesleyan, not disambig-ing places named Dakota Wesleyan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.133.124.252 (talk) 01:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
  • You said earlier Someone wanted a citation for "Today, Wesleyan is one of the nation's most esteemed colleges..." That isn't a fact. It's an editorial opionion. But the rest of the article amply supports the claim. There is no need to provide a citation for this, and it would be impossible to provide one. People need to learn what is a fact, what needs citation, and what the basic principles of writing are.. I am not familiar with your school named Wesleyan but your opinion clearly violates WP rules for NPOV bias and referencing. You may not like it but this is Wikipedia. Billspilok (talk) 18:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

"your opinion clearly violates WP rules for NPOV bias and referencing" Please do not post unsubstantiated claims. I encourage you to learn more about wikipedia policies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.133.127.128 (talk) 04:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Please point me to the Wikipedia policy that allows for "editorial opinion" to stay on its pages to with "no need to provide a citation for this."Billspilok (talk) 18:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

You realize the quote you're complaining about is not from this page.159.247.3.210 (talk) 21:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 66.217.179.97

Is this IP address identical to user:Jmabel? The IP holder signed it with that user, who also appears to be a graduate of Wesleyan University of Connecticut, but it is unclear if it was done in good or bad faith? Ordermagic 06:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] High schools?

Should this article contain Wesleyan high schools as well? People know Wesleyan Christian Academy in High Point, NC as "Wesleyan." I'd be happy to add it to the list if it should be put here. If it doesn't belong here that's fine too. Let me know. Thanks

--Makbrandon (talk) 14:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)Makbrandon

  • I am not familiar with the high school but if it has an article on Wikipedia and it hasn't be deleted due to lack of notability, then I'd say go for it. Billspilok (talk) 18:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Obama Coverage

I know we have had the debate, but doesn't the Obama coverage show that "Wesleyan" is Wesleyan University in CT. The news coverage always just says Obama is speaking at Wesleyan (knowing that everyone knows Wesleyan University to be the real Wesleyan), and then at the end of the article will at most joke with some student commenting about how it gets confused with Wellesley or one of the state specific Wesleyans. Also, if you do a Google search for "Wesleyan" the Wesleyan University wikipage is deemed more relevant than this page. 160.39.212.65 (talk) 01:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)