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[edit] ethnicity

ok so i dont know ANYTHING about this guy apart from hes in prison break and he is he is single and looking for someone but that list of his ethninticity seems a little bit to far fetched verging on ridiculous for me. anyone who knows more about him want to confirm this all for me?

It's actually cited in the article at the end of the sentance (here). Arniep 21:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok now im annoyed at THAT article to, i dont want to change it on here because i dont know the truth but a list of ethnicity THAT long is just stupid.
Henced "multi-racial". Not everything is black and white. 218.101.69.175 18:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh for God's sake, buddy. You have 4 grandparents and 8 great-grandparents. The list is not overly long if you can do counting-on-your-fingers math, and there's nothing stupid about it. Why do you say it's not 'the truth'? What part of it would you have Wentworth Miller omit or simplify? What's your agenda? 71.56.222.19 13:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)kimonthejourney71.56.222.19 13:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I used to hang out with this kid back in the summer of 1993 before he went to college. He was always trying to convince people he was half-black back then but no one ever believed him. It is interesting that the media buys his wild explanations of his background. He used to readily admit to being of Jewish background although claiming half-black. It's good to see he made it big, he was a nice kid but always a bit wacky and high-strung. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.231.9 (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

The mention of his claimed ancestry is fine with me. But to include him in the various Fooian-Americans categories, you need something more. It needs to form a significant part of his identity, either his own self-identity or the way others perceive him. Involvement in various organizations fostering that heritage, various other kinds of things. But not just every possibly place his ancestors might have come from. Gene Nygaard (talk) 00:52, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


We should re-word to make it clear that all those ethnicities are his claim and not something verified by a third party. Also, if there is controversy here, why is it even crucial to bring up these weird ethnic backgrounds? "Syrian" and "Lebanese" aren't ethnicities - they are nationalities. So, we could sum Syrian, Lebanese and Jewish into "Middle-eastern" and "Jamaican" and "Cherokee" could be summed up as Native American. The list does look ridiculous in its present form. It seems to be a mix of ethnicities, nationalities, religious groups and is just a mess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.53.30 (talk) 01:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


His father is black, possibly with the Cherokee and Jamaican mixed in. His mother is white. If you have some agenda for denying that Wentworth Miller is bi-racial, that's your issue. The fact is, that's who he is. 71.218.215.36 (talk) 22:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)kimonthejourney71.218.215.36 (talk) 22:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It's just funny that people have a real funny reaction to Miller's "ethnicity" claim. If the guy claims he is black, why in the world should we disclaim that, if he want's to be black then let him be black. And nobody really knows about his racial roots better than him,so let him be people. Fleurbutterfly 13:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citizenship

He is not British just b/c he was born in England - his parents are Americans who were living in the UK. MaggieMae 03:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC) However, being as he was born in Britain he would be entitled to a British passport, if he has retained that right, therefore, he could, if he wanted to, describe himself as British. Despite this he probably doesn't.81.159.67.89 15:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


He does indeed have dual citizenship. U.S. and UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.245.136.8 (talk) 22:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

and dual citizenship would me that he is ..British... as well as American. We need some citations around the dual citizenship, but due to British law at the time of his birth (born in Britain = rights to British citizenship - changed only in 1981), this assertation should stay in until someone proves that he does NOT hold British citizenship Kunchan 16:09, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe he tells the truth about his race or place of birth, he's a Jew from Brooklyn, born and raised. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.97.195.2 (talk) 18:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] False information

Until further quotes are cited, I am removing the following "information", if it can even be called that:

“
  • Provided the voice of EDI, the evil robot jet, in the 2005 film Stealth.
  • Named one of TV's Sexiest Men by TV GUIDE in 2006.
  • Recently in an interview, Wentworth mentioned that both of his eyes are the same color as many people had written and said that he had two different eye colours.{{fact}}
  • He is allergic to both dogs and cats and to certain foods.{{fact}}
  • He has two sisters: Gillian and Leigh, both are lawyers.{{fact}}
  • Wentworth was voted the 5th sexiest British man this year (2006) by a British paper called the Sunday Mirror.
Quotes
  • "I wouldn't last long. I'd get shanked in like, five minutes." - on about being in prison during an interview with ET CANADA.{{fact}}
  • "A great book provides escapism for me. The artistry and the creativity in a story are better than any drugs."{{fact}}
  • "It was never about the money. Because acting for me, at its best, you're working on a project that touches you in some way. And that allows you to touch a bunch of strangers, whether they're sitting there with you -- you're doing a play -- or they're in an audience watching you on the screen. There's a kind of thrill that comes along with that that I have not been able to find anywhere else. So even if I had to go back to temping, even if this is not the beginning of an amazing career, I would not regret making that jump."{{fact}}
 ”

Cite, and then it can stay. Iolakana|T 13:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

The TV Guide thing is accurate. TV Guide of June 19-25 lists, among others, Wentworth Miller as one of "TV's Sexiest Men."
TVGuide's own website verifies this.
See: http://online.tvguide.com/newsearch/detail.aspx?tvobjectid=178955, bottom of left column.
Kimonthejourney 03:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)kimonthejourney

[edit] Trivia removed

  • Auditioned for Superman, when it was in early stages. He didn't get the role, but was called back by the producers two years later to audition for the role of Michael Scofield in Prison Break.{{fact}}
  • Has two younger sisters, Gillian, also a lawyer, and the youngest, Leigh, in law school.{{fact}}
  • Is a smoker, and is allergic to dogs, cats and certain foods.{{fact}}

The above points are similar to those mentioned by Kilo-Lima. Until their sources are provided, they will be removed accordingly. -- Ladida 13:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Generally, imdb.com is not considered to be a reliable source regarding the information about an actor's biography or trivia since these are submitted by imdb users. Hence, this was removed: "He has one eye that is a different color than the other. His left eye is green while his right eye is hazel.{{cite web | title=Biography of Wentworth Miller - IMDb.com | work=[[IMDb]] | url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0589505/bio | accessdate=September 3 | accessyear=2006}}" Please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources for more details. -- Ladida 00:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I put trivia with source, why they have been erased ?!! Roger_Smith

[edit] Controversy with Cornel West

I am troubled that there is no citation, verification, or source reference for these allegations "Despite his racial background, Miller was considered a campus racist. Furthermore, like Coleman Silk, Miller refrained from revealing his reasons behind his action." What exactly constitutes being 'considered a campus racist'? Who said this? What's their basis for saying so? What kind of verifiable source could confirm that this is a general consensus view?

Further, conflating Miller with a character he played is sloppy, and again, not referenced.

I would suggest deletion of this information unless and until references and a fuller explanation of the statements are brought forward.

Kimonthejourney 03:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)Kimonthejourney

I agree, especially the sentence "Despite his racial background, Miller was considered a campus racist." has to be removed, unless there is so sort of reference. -- 138.246.7.86 16:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

yep. agree. unless ofcourse, whoever wrote that provides evidence or source that he is. Fleurbutterfly 13:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnicity categories

Could people watch this page to make sure that ethnicity categories don't begin to get added here? If we were to go full circle and add a category for every one of his great-grandparents, and thus outnumber the regular categories, we would quite perfectly illustrate the silliniess resulting from certain people who go about adding these. I.e. a German-American has always been a person who is actually American and German in some meaning ful sense, not simply an American with a drop of German blood. Mad Jack 07:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

An anonymous user keeps replacing "Jewish" with "part Cherokee" in Wentworth's ancestral background. Upon googling "+wentworth.miller +cherokee", I've found tons of blog posts claiming that he is part Cherokee, but I haven't been able to find any reliable sources for this claim. However, the article in The New Yorker (see the Google-cached version, since it appears the article has dropped out of the website's archive) does state the Jewish background.
If somebody can find a reliable source supporting the "part Cherokee" claim, I'd be glad to have it listed alongside "Jewish" and the others.
--Psiphiorg 19:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Speaking of which, the article now says "In October, 2006, Wentworth Miller was interviewed by a German journalist, and said that his surname (Miller) happens to be "Müller" in German, which probably came from his German Jewish grandfather". But, the New Yorker article clearly said he had a Jewish great-grandmother. So if his great-grandfather was Jewish too, is Miller's father "half black half Jewish"? Interesting.... Mad Jack 06:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
See my just-added discussion above. To put these categories in, you need something more than what we have. Gene Nygaard (talk) 00:53, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Very suspicious that these various elements in his ethnic background seem to change over time, from interview to interview. It is surprising that he is so readily believed every time he spouts this nonsense about being Somalian, Jewish, Cherokee, Syrian, English, and everything else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.160.8 (talk) 18:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


I used to hang out with this kid in the summer of 1993 before he went to college, and he was always trying to claim half-black but no one took him seriously about this before he was famous. He would also readily admit to being of Jewish background and religion while claiming to be half-black at the same time. There are some negroid racial strains evident in East European Jewish family trees, look at Rabbi Avraham Kook for example. C. Wentworth was just a regular Jewish kid from Brooklyn trying to distinguish himself as different from his peers. He was always a nice kid and its good to see he made it big, though I get a good laugh every time the media believes his stories about this wild ethnic background he claims he has. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.231.9 (talk) 19:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

That's fine and good, but this is an encyclopedia. We can't entertain every single person from Rochester, NY road running around. There is little reason for him to lie about his ethnicity. This is America and there are many people with diverse backgrounds. Wentworth Miller's "claim" > An anonymous IP address. Its not impossible for someone to be part 'negroid' and part Jewish. As far as people randomly adding ethnic tags under the article please stop. --Yellowfiver (talk) 16:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Who is C. Wentworth? We should be clear who is who, being clear who we're discussing about is being very considerate to the other readers, and also to avoid confussion. Well, he's Wentworth Earl Miller, as far as we all know. Fleurbutterfly 13:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing

Regarding the reversion of the nickname "Stinky" without a source, the guideline for biographies is that any controversial or negative comments should be sourced or removed. A claim that he attended such-and-such high school is not controversial or negative, so although a citation would certainly improve the article, the lack of a citation is not enough to warrant reversion. However, a nickname of "Stinky" could certainly be considered negative; thus, a source is required to keep it in the article. It appears that a source has now been added, which is satisfactory. --Psiphiorg 09:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

OK. I wont even request that you give me the cite to your guideline. --Epeefleche 21:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
It's here, in case you're interested. --Psiphiorg 23:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Please cite the source of the following text before adding them back into the article:

  • His favourite food is his mother's Shepherd's Pie.
  • He is allergic to a lot of things, including animals (dogs, cats) and random food.
  • Some of his best friends, co-stars and fans who meet him describe him as a very shy and quiet man. He describes himself to be extremely sensitive and altruistic, like Michael Scofield, and believes the two would have a lot in common.
  • He has never been married or dated a man, despite what the tabloids may say.

-- Ladida 00:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dutch?

Does anyone know if Wentworth Miller speaks Dutch? Because his mom is from there and his girlfriend! Greets, dutch wikipedia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.201.126.67 (talk) 07:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Where did you get that idea that he is Dutch? That is one of the few things he has not yet claimed to be in his wild and ridiculous background of 27 ethnic groups. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.192.210 (talk) 14:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, it's very obvious to me that there is some person out there with some claimed long-ago association with Wentworth Miller, which cannot be verified, and a huge grudge against him. This grudge takes the form of repeatedly insinuating that Miller lies about being half-black with a mixed ethnic background. First of all, prove your case. Second, take your grudge elsewhere. Third, there ought to be some way of kicking people off Wikipedia for destructive behaviour like this. Disgusting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.218.195.54 (talk) 23:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Homosexual?

What is the source for this? He has gone on record to state that he not gay several times. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.58.123.110 (talk) 23:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

Shouldn't there be at least a mention of the rumors and his denials; it seems like a glaring omission seeing as how persistently he is dogged by these rumors. Isn’t an actor’s relationship with the media in general relevant to their fame? Its not like actors become famous for clear cut reasons. The rumors are arguably a large part of his notoriety and celebrity and seem to have a part in his more recent burst of popularity.

  • I am staggered to see that one's personal life is an essence to one's professional life. What if Wentworth Miller is a mate to a gay person, does that make him gay? Until there is a confirmed primary confirmation, its all rumours.. (Tancarville) 20:09, 25 September 2007 (EST).
That is why the page is currently semi-protected. Anons were regularly adding commentary that amounted to nothing more than gossip. Regardless of whether it was relevant or not, it violated WP:BLP. --- Taroaldo 15:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Why does the article say that Wentworth is engaged to Luke MacFarley? Is it vandalism? Larrylarp (talk) 18:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

He has been dating Luke McFarlene for a while and it has been 'serious'.

Back in the summer of 1993, he always had a girl with him and never showed any homosexual tendencies. As someone who knew him years ago I would have to say he is most likely not gay at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.231.9 (talk) 19:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish?

Where did you get that info he's Jewish? Is having a one great-granparent Jewish (for example) making us Jewish? If yes, well...so do I am Jewish ;)Kowalmistrz 16:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Using "Jewish" to refer to the ethnic/national heritage, yes, it does... just as having one Irish great-grandparent makes someone part Irish. --ΨΦorg 18:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
But where did you get that infor he's Jewish!? Kowalmistrz 19:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
He said he is. He also said that his surname, Miller, comes from his German Jewish grandfather (muller in german). What I dont understand is, why did you put him in the "Black Jews" list? he is white. the fact that his father is black doesnt make him a black person too. If you have a white skin (and im not even talking about his blue eyes), then you're white. Wiseman100
Just curious, do you have a source for where he said he is? (and the grandfather info). We could add the source to the article, then Mad Jack 17:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


Jewish is a religion??? So I am Catholic, and if I had a Great-Grand Parent that was Buddhist, does that make me part Buddhist??? no ... to say Wentworth is part Jewish is stupid, but to say he was part German/Polish/Dutch is correct —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.243.112.37 (talk) 14:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Whoever is sayin that Wentworth Miller is homosexual pls stop , its very unfair 2 da millions of female fans he has and it is defiently not true !!! cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.134.253.10 (talk) 09:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

"unfair"?! well, i don't know if its true but if he's gay then its certainly not unfair. I hope he is gay just so all the poor girls that love him really understand that they have no chance with his semi-famous person. 130.245.209.89 03:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought when you say you're "jewish", you're a "Jew"? When did becoming a Jew make you belong to a religious group? Or am i entirely wrong?--::semper fidelis:: 20:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fleurbutterfly (talk • contribs)

It's a lot more complicated than that. There is a good article about it on Wikipedia, in fact. Who is a Jew according to the Orthodox Jews, Reform Jews, and anti-Semites all have various criteria. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.192.210 (talk) 00:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Dead?

This is seriously not true, so please whoever posted that should delete that Wentworth is dead. Thanks

Glitched18x 14:31, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Perez Hilton is not a Source

Unless someone involved in Miller's supposed relationship comes forward, you can't add it to the article just because perez hilton says it. I'm sorry, but this is not a Grade Nine class yearbook. SnaX 23:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


"this is not a Grade Nine class yearbook".... actually, that's a pretty good description of what Wikipedia is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.32.67.235 (talk) 18:07, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up needed

I removed a whole section under personal life about some cartoon incident. we don't need 1/3 article about that. Maybe once the bio is further flushed out. Also removed the unsourced trivia and some POV wording. Anyways, --Tom 13:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

married?

No, not yet. He says he wants to focus on his career before starting a family.

[edit] Romeo and Juliet, 2000, film?

He has another film.--Tamás Kádár (talk) 00:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

  • could you show a source for this? I searched and couldn't even find a Romeo and Juliet film from the year 2000. LukeTheSpook (talk) 21:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] something i noticed

is it me or does he resemble Michigan State Basketball player Drew Neitzel a bit? LukeTheSpook (talk) 02:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Popular

He also had a recurring role on the TV show Popular around 2000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.10.151.54 (talk) 16:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

  • i just updated the list, thank you! LukeTheSpook (talk) 21:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
  • He wasn't in the second season though, as is listed. He was in two episodes of the first. Puckeylut (talk) 00:01, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, changed it to the episodes of Season 1. Puckeylut (talk) 21:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] His exact ancestery cannot be determined from what is given.

All we know is his father was x percentage African, y percentage 'European', and z percentage 'Middle Eastern'. Similar with his mother's side; her exact proportion ethnic background is not clear. For all we know from this, his father is 10% African 90% everything else.

It is also important to note that genetic studies suggest that the average European admixture in Afro-Americans is ~30-50% (higher in the north).

Finally, 'middle easterners' are predominately 'Caucasian'. In certain populations, for example, the northern half of Iran or the Coastal levant, they are primary caucasoids.

All of this means that WM'S true African admixture may, in fact, be a lot less than what is often speculated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.173.175 (talk) 04:02, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

It is also important to note that genetic studies suggest that the average European admixture in Afro-Americans is ~30-50% (higher in the north).

Finally, 'middle easterners' are predominately 'Caucasian'. In certain populations, for example, the northern half of Iran or the Coastal levant, they are primary caucasoids.

All of this means that WM'S true African admixture may, in fact, be a lot less than what is often speculated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.173.175 (talk) 04:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

All of these claims are bizarre and ridiculous, Charlie "Wentworth" Miller is full of it and always has been. White Jew from Brooklyn. Period —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.192.210 (talk) 01:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Again, the person - 74.74.192.210 - with the grudge against Wentworth Miller is vandalizing this site. Wentworth's name is Wentworth Earl Miller, nothing to do with Charlie. Maybe you're thinking of someone else entirely? If so, get the hell off Wentworth Miller's Wikipedia site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.218.195.54 (talk) 23:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Age

Yes, he's 35 and i agree he looks a lot younger about 25.