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For discussion before the article was split, see Talk:Wembley Stadium (1924) --Dtcdthingy 02:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I changed the statement about 'British metal pioneers Metallica' to read 'Heavy metal pioneers' for the sake of factual accuracy. --82.12.8.136 20:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] First this first that

I think it's fair enough having the first goal scorer and stuff but I think it's a bit too bloated. What next? The first player to scratch his arm at Wembley? Andy86 11:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

too true, needs slimming down, but some of the stuff will be relavent in a few years
I think it would be a good idea to have a section for "firsts" because there are a few more facts that could be added like the first player to be sent off etc. I'm not too sure what to title the section - any ideas? Andy86 15:34, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
But is virtually any of it truly encyclopaedic information, or just trivia and bloat? - fchd 15:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm with Richard, it's just trivia for the sake of it. It's only in there due to "recentism" i.e. someone adds it in because they just saw it happen on the telly five minutes ago. The equivalent info isn't included in the article on the old Wembley, or Old Trafford, or Anfield etc etc etc ChrisTheDude 20:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm with you also, I don't think any of it is needed but if it is insisted upon then it would look a lot better in it's own section. Andy86 15:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Duh. Only just saw this section, after answer below under "Milestones"... sorry! I think it's worthwhile having significant 'firsts' for historical and factual reasons, but 1) I agree they should be more than just lists, and 2) I think there's nothing wrong with having similar significant firsts entered retrospectively on other related areas like the original Wembley etc. The reason why we have those things entered now isn't only because of "recentism" (though I agree that can be a lot of it) - it also has something to do with the fact that the old Wembley, etc, were built a bit before the arrival of the internet and Wikipedia, so it's a bit harder to go back and retrospectively find out all that stuff and enter it than to enter it in fresh as it happens!! - 82.152.176.122 21:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Niemayer

Why is there no mention of the claim that the Sir Norman Foster's design was influenced - to say the least - by a design made by the Brazilian architect Oscar Niemeyer?

Feel free to add it as long as you can find a reliable source to attribute it to ChrisTheDude 20:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Here you go - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=435637&in_page_id=1770 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.211.217.70 (talk) 21:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC).. See how the arch on both designs goes over one side of the stadium rather than through the middle.


shocking, could do with a reference somewhere but not sure how it would fit in.--80.47.209.242 10:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No longer planned

Should we stop calling Wembley a "planned or proposed stadium?"--BigMac1212 02:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the notion that it shouldn't anymore be called a 'planned or proposed stadium' since it's construction has already been completed so it words 'under construction' should be edited as well. -- Maajid 21:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Largest roof covered stadium claim?

Docklands Stadium in Melbourne Australia looks like it has much more roof covering than Wembley does. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.84.72.111 (talk) 08:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

The Docklands Stadium in Melbourne only has 56,000 seats. Every seat at Wembley is covered, even though it doesn't have a cover. Other stadiums like the Millenium Stadium has a cover as well, but thats only 74,500.--Soopa hoops77 16:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First match?

It will be ready to host the 2007 FA Cup Final, as its first football match. - aren't they holding an England U-21 match there first? Or did I dream that......? ChrisTheDude 15:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes U21's are meant to be playing italy there. Willy turner 23:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
But that won't be full capacity... only 60,000. I think the cup final will be the first full capacity match. robwingfield «T•C» 16:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] cost

why is the cost 757 million and its citation says 1 billion and in the article it says it cost 793 million?

See my response to price. Paulbrock 00:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Because the cost of the stadium (757) doesn't take account of the cost to purchase the land and ?demolish the old one. You're right though, it should do, how can the cost of buying the land be excluded from the cost of construction? The main piece is coming across as a puff piece for the FA. Not in terms of POV but that lots of the awkward stuff about financial mismanagement and waste of resources being left out.

[edit] Milestones

how can bentley be the first english goal scorer when it said someone else had done it. and it says all the records were from the u21 game when the first point is from a charity game???? and i heard nothing of this charity game.

Bentley was the first scorer in a competitive match. There was a charity match held on the community day when the FA invited local people along to test out the facilities, but it was not in any way a competitive match ChrisTheDude 17:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
The charity match is pointless as a statistic for all we know the groundsmen could have had played an unoffcial games amongst themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.211.158.250 (talk • contribs) 12:24, 19 May 2007
The charity match was an official match, it just wasn't a competitive one. Dbam 18:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I've started to merge in the firsts from the Trivia section into a new "Firsts" section (which can hopefully be expanded over time as more notable firsts happen, eg concerts, etc.). I hope that's agreed to be ok, and if so please everyone help to streamline it and take out any duplicate facts I've missed in the rest of the article. I reckon the "Firsts" section could become a really useful reference section over time! (And maybe "Milestones" from this section header would be a better name than "Firsts"... I dunno. - 82.152.176.122 21:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] pitch

something should definetly be said about the pitches crap condition

OK then, find a reliable independent source which has criticised the state of the pitch and you can add it in..... ChrisTheDude 17:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Somebody needs to find it soon, I saw it with my own eyes getting ripped to pieces.

I doubt that very much,the grass has to age and bond with the ground as is the norm,once the roots have taken the pitch will be fine,the currators would have took sunrise and seasonal weather into account when the turf was laid.its just nature.

Yeah it did cut up a awful lot at the 2007 F.A Cup Final, but I don't think it needs to be included in this artical, maybe in the 2007 F.A Cup Final it could if it was correctly sourced by a reliable source. Jazza5 17:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Done, and backed up the stated information with a reliable source. It was about time this was brought to people using Wikipedia attention. The pitch was in an absolutely awful state after the car race on the pitch, but now I believe it is to be relaid? If this is true then I will find a source and put it in the article. Jazza5 (talk) 19:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Links

As the article about the original stadium has now been renamed Wembley Stadium (1924), there are countless articles with links to Wembley Stadium which now point to the article about the new stadium, arther than the old one. Is it possible for these links to be fixed (by robot?) so that they are pointed to the correct article? Daemonic Kangaroo 19:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


i agree the old wembley should be kept as wembley and the new one be renamed to wembley (2007)

[edit] price

the construction cost was 753 million but it says 798, this is incorrect as the that extra bit wasnt for construction, it was just extra stuff blah blah blah. anyway the stadium cost with more extra stuff in total 1 billion. so the cost is either 753 mil or 1 bn but not 798.

loads of figures out there, 753, 757, 798, 1bn. One of the few references to list some of them can be found here [1]. Basically it says that it used to be 757, but ended up being 798. (This article clarifies the discrepency between 798 and 1 billion). As the 798 figure in the body of this article is referenced, I'll update the infobox with this figure and we're at least consistent!! Paulbrock 00:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Capacity

The introductory paragraphs don't mention the capacity. Strange. Not sure what it is officially. This information is needed. --Tatty 05:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Usually stadia entries on wiki have the highest attendance, I think it is currently the cup final, 89,826

[edit] Image for infobox

Hi. An article of this importance really needs a photograph of the stadium in the infobox (preferably aerial?) which is of course free, but until then I have moved the best existing representation (one without cranes!) from the body of the article to the infobox. I hope this is agreeable as an interim measure? Best wishes. Refsworldlee(chew-fat)(eds) 23:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I have changed the picture to a one I find more suitable. The one before was only slightly distinguishable as Wembley because of the arch, otherwise it looked like another stadium in the dark. I recently took the picture in the info box and find it suitable as you can see Wembley in its full light. Jazza5 14:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The statistics article

Could I draw some attention to the Wembley Stadium matches article. The sortable tables on it could do with ranking by either goals or appearances (currently its done in alphabetical order!) Other issues can be viewed on the article's talk page. Cheers. CharlieA 15:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Surely the whole point of a sortable table is that you can sort it the way you want? If you want one of the table sorted by goals, click on the goals column (and click again if you want it sorted the other way around). - fchd 17:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, but the default sorting at the moment is by name, rather than amount of goals, for example. Is there no way you can set the default ranking to be based on the goals/appearances coloumn rather than name? --CharlieA 11:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] food

does this deserve a place in there? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/6668447.stm its got prices of food and drink and a match program for the fa cup final. not sure if this is the standard price or this is just the prices for the final.--80.47.209.242 11:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bizaare comment...

What does this mean? Is it meant to say cross-channel ferry? The article linked by the reference doesn't shed any light.

"You could drive a cross-channel train through the Wembley Arch[15]"

Nazdakka 14:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

It means exactly what it says, the trains which travel across the channel (or under to be more precise) would fit within the circumference of the metalwork of the arch.(74.53.28.98 00:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC))
So what? So would a lot of large objects, including my garden
I think your garden is smaller than a channel tunel train. 82.3.198.235 16:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Why do you think that? And even if you were correct it would still fit. As would a piece of string, probably.
It's a load of rubbish anyway, there's no tracks been laid, so you couldn't drive a train through. Brooza 08:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Exactly, who honestly cares...Jazza5 11:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wembley Way or Olympic Way?

This article refers to Wembley Way in numerous places, however the official name is now Olympic Way. I can't say I personally like the name change, but would it not be more accurate to refer to it by it's official name? (74.53.28.98 00:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC))

The official street name has ALWAYS been Olympic Way. However, it appears that even the BBC pundits etc. on Saturday were referring to it as Wembley Way now. - fchd 05:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Concerts

Shouldn't there be a section about the concerts that happened their? The Freddy Mercury tribute concert was held their after he died. I think it there should be a section for that, after all it did support AIDS awareness and raised money for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.178.81.71 (talk • contribs)

Try Wembley Stadium (1923) or specifically Wembley Stadium (1923)#Music. This is the article for the new stadium, not the old one.... ChrisTheDude 07:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] uefa star rating

finally the source to end any discussion of is it isnt it. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/kevin_eason/article1826791.ece in short uefa isnt happy becuase they had 2 meetings with the designers saying"you need to do this if you want to host a european final.." --Numberwang 11:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Clearly the lack of a running track is an issue with UEFA, as is failure to follow with blind obediance. Londo06 (talk) 15:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Out of date

The page refers to past events if in the future Yini3 13:08, 25 May 2007

[edit] List of performances

It's not going to be practical to keep this list of performances at the stadium going, think how long the list will be in just a year's time. I think the list should be deleted, or perhaps a new page created for the list (though i don't really think such a list is notable enough for its own article). Abc30 20:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Concert for Diana and Live Earth concert, London

Concert for Diana (The People's Princess) was a concert held at the new Wembley Stadium in London in honour of the late Diana, Princess of Wales on July 1, 2007, which would have been her 46th birthday; 2007 is also the 10th anniversary of her death. The concert was hosted by Diana's sons, Prince William and Prince Harry who helped to organise for many of the world's most famous entertainers and singers to perform at the concert. The concert was broadcast in 140 different countries across the world. And one week later
On July 7, 2007 the venue of the Wembley Stadium was one of the locations of the Live Earth-concerts: Live Earth concert, London

Did they make use of each others facilities and know-how?
Who did pay for the original preparations, technical equipment etc. The organisation of the Concert for Diana or the organisation of Live Earth or did they split the bill?
Which artists performed therefore only once or just twice?
How did staff and management perform?

- ( Wereld 01:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC) )

[edit] Moved here from article

[edit] Trivia

  • The exterior of Wembley Stadium was used in the 2007 movie 28 Weeks Later. However the scene inside the stadium, where the pitch is overgrown and was primarily used as a rendezvous point for the NATO defence force is actually of the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff due to Wembley not being completed. [2]
  • On the Live 8 DVD, at one point during the Live 8 concert in London, a far-away shot of Wembley Stadium under construction was seen before the camera zoomed back into Hyde Park. The original Wembley Stadium was the site of the London Live Aid concert in 1985.
  • There is a steam engine buried underneath the pitch at Wembley. This was used by the contractors that built the original stadium in the 1920s. Following a derailment, it was decided that the engine should be buried on the spot rather than being recovered.

[edit] Twickenham

Why do the Rugby league side not share With the Union Side, Also why was the FA cup finals held in Cardiff and not Twickenham for all those years? 81.77.237.8 19:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I was wondering that aswell, it seemed at the time a strange decision having our cup competition in another country. Jazza5 19:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Maybe they enquired and the Rugby Football Union told them to get knotted..... ChrisTheDude 20:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Bigger, and needed the money.

[edit] Which sports by the name of "football" might Wembley Stadium be compatible with?

Just curious. So far, they've had Association and Rugby League, and they're about to do gridiron. Could Aussie or Canadian football be played at Wembley? 204.52.215.107 16:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NFL @ Wembley

Is there any interest and/or value in adding a picture of Wembley during the NFL match? Andsome 16:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Shop/Tours

These sections are nothing but advertising and add nothing to the article. Would like to suggest deleting both. 86.141.93.88 (talk) 18:30, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Couls maybe be added in the 'building' section? However, they are not 'firsts', so I've removed them from the 'firsts'(trivia) section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heenan73 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Firsts

Their are too many WP:NN firsts , these should be timed and spun off to a list of First at Wembley Gnevin (talk) 11:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree that 'firsts' is no more than trivia. But many of the points raised could be written into a 'history' section - the stadium won't always be new! Additionally, several of the snippets could be usefully (and logically) transferred to the 'old stadium' page.

I'd happily do it, but last time I did something equally sensible, someone who thought he owned a page deleted all my hard work, and frankly, I don't have time to waste bickering about it, sorry.Heenan73 —Preceding comment was added at 13:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Five-a-side Nonsense

I assume the recent addition about five-a-side is nonsense? Brequinda (talk) 11:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Names

12:13, 10 April 2008 82.44.75.112 (Talk) (35,113 bytes) (undo)

I think this should be undone - or at least changed to incorporate the information that was removed.