Talk:Welsh people

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[edit] Fact and reference check

Check it out, why do we need citations. Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check. Alun 12:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Famous Welsh women for the picture header

As with most ethnic groups, there are two types of Welsh people: 'men' and 'women', each of whom make up 50%. Yet this article illustrates the Welsh with a picture of four men. I suggest the illustration needs a couple of women. If you had to choose two women to represent the Welsh, who would you choose? And which two men would you boot off - Lloyd George, Jones, Wallace or Everest? My personal choice would be Shirley Bassey and Catherine Zeta Jones, and I would boot off Jones and Everest for relative underachiement compared to the other two. I realize any selection will be totally arbitrary, but it's something that needs doing and it's an interesting thing to discuss. This list of Welsh people may be useful. Cop 633 21:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 17:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Have 8 famous welsh people

4 women and 4 men like every other ethnic group article (like irish people article).

Yes catherine zeta jones and shirley bassey are good choices.

OK, so this requires some decisions. Who else will be there? When I discussed this idea on the English people page, we eventually used this structure:
1. Medieval man
2. Renaissance man
3. 19th/early 20th century man
4. Modern man
5. Medieval woman
6. Renaissance woman
7. 19th/early 20th century woman
8. Modern woman
This works well because you get a sense of the history and diversity of the group in question. Here are some ideas from me (but I'm not Welsh, or very knowledgable about Wales, so they're just intended as stimuli to discussion)
1. Medieval man: Owain Glendower
2. Renaissance man - ??
3. Nineteenth century man - David Lloyd George
4. Modern man - Tom Jones
5. Medieval woman - ??
6. Renaissance woman - ??
7. Nineteenth century woman - ??
8. Modern woman - Catherine Zeta Jones
Any ideas? Cop 663 17:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Would William Morgan count as Renaissance? A bit iffy, I admit, but he is a very significant figure who made a massive contribution to the Welsh language and Welsh nation. I would also suggest Anthony Hopkins as a more unambiguously good example of a modern Welshman (I like Tom Jones, but many don't). Though I suppose his Welshness is now ambiguous – then there's always Ioan Gruffudd, or Rhys Ifans, or Russell T. Davies. Lloyd George is obviously a good example, despite his living into the last century. I'll have a think about pre-twentieth-century women. They're always, sadly, harder. garik 21:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
While I think about it, Steve Jones is also a very good example of a modern Welshman. We don't necessarily want both our modern Welsh people to be entertainers. garik 21:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok fine, keep 4 old age welsh people and have 4 modern welsh people.

steve jones the rugby player or athlete do you mean btw?

4 modern welsh people could be: steve jones catherine zeta jones tom jones and either iona gruffud or rhysifans? (and it doesnt have to be split evenly on gender, none of the other articles do, we should only include people based on their famousness, we dont include all people with big ear lobes either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.192.228 (talk • contribs)

Actually, I was thinking about the geneticist. He's also the Telegraph science correspondent. Maybe not terribly iconic for most people though, I admit. garik 13:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah..I just made a collage of the pics on the article page. This was done for no real reason except that the pics of Welsh people in this article have been a bit untidy for quite some time. I just tidies them up. I didn't realise there was a discussion going on here. I was not trying to preempt anything. I called the image Image:pobol.png, when this discussion is finished maybe the a new image can replace the pobol.png image I created just to keep everything neat and tidy? All the best. Alun 18:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Are Welsh people more likely to have brown eyes than the rest of the UK people?

Just wondering if there's any truth to this. They seem to sometimes have a slightly darker complexion than people from the rest of the UK.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 15:21, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

See here
Passing of the Great Race
Passing of the Great Race
The map looks suspect to me. The terms used look as though it were out of the 1930s, with all of the racial overtones that the climate then held. There is DNA evidence suggesting that the Welsh and Picts and Irish had a strong connection with the Basque people.
This quote is from the Irish History page, however simular results were found in Wales and Scotland.

The Y-chromosomes of the modern Irish, characterized by the M343 mutation that defines the R1b Haplogroup (dominant, in variant degrees, from Iberia to Scandinavia), are closely related to those of Iberian population (Portugal and Spain), particularly those of the Basques, which has led some anthropologists to surmise that the Basques are a remnant of the pre-Indo-European population of western Europe, and that the pre-Celtic language (or languages) of Ireland may have been related to Euskara, the Basque tongue

Additionally, there is known trade routes between Greece and Wales/Cornwall, and between Wales/Ireland/Western Scotland with the northern coast of Iberia. Interestingly, I have read where some fokelore connect the Greeks with the Tuatha Dé Danann.
I would be careful with that map though, reliance on it I mean. The terms look suspect and potentially in error.Drachenfyre (talk) 07:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] History of the Jews in Wales

If anyone can help, still needed is an article about the History of the Jews in Wales to complete the History of the Jews in Europe. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 12:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cumbric, Cumbria, Cymry

On the Cumbria page, it says "Saint Ninian, born about 360 AD, was almost certainly of Cumbrian origin and has strong associations with Ninekirks near Penrith. Not only did Ninian give his name to the place, he is believed to have had a hermitage in the caves of Isis Parlis overlooking the present church, which was originally dedicated to him. Earthworks in the area also give tantalising clues to an early monastery here. Ninian is often credited with the conversion of the Cymry to Christianity, despite its original introduction to the area by Romans." I assume that when it says "Cymry", the article is referring to speakers of the Cumbric language but if you search Wikipedia for Cymry it goes to the Welsh people page. Does anyone think it would be a good idea to disambiguate Cymry? The reasons that I haven't simply gone ahead and done it are (a) I don't know anything at all about the subject and (b) I'm aware that it could possibly be politically sensitive. (Northernhenge (talk) 13:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Islam in Wales

An IP keeps adding Islam to the info box, but in Census 2001 Muslims represented less than 1% of the Welsh population. Far more people reported no religion.[1] Pondle (talk) 21:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Origins of Welsh People

Just something I read in the Western Mail today, if anyone is interested: Our Celtic roots lie in Spain and Portugul. 195.27.12.230 (talk) 07:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)