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[edit] Total Reformat

We've mentioned through the old talk page that the Wedding page was less than good. Taking that information and absorbing it into the Traditions page made sense, and then moving it all here to the main term seemed logical. Blame it on a severe case of being bold! Now, the page needs a lot of touch-up work, moving images around, perhaps putting a gallery in near the end, etc. For that matter, I think there are duplicated images now too. Anyhoo, we can continue working on this as time goes on. VigilancePrime (talk) 18:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I removed the only duplicate photo I could find. Now the improvements that need to be made (feel free to add to this list): VigilancePrime (talk) 00:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Expand out "types of weddings", especially those that are not linked.
    • Place photos throughout article in appropriate and contextually-relevant sections.
    • Copyedit and de-linking as necessary.
    • References, references, references...


-Hello, not sure where to put this,... I over heard a classmate bragging on how his roommate falsified information on the origins of the tradition of the throwing of a bouquet. I don't know if the entry on this page is the one referenced or if it is on another page. However the entry on this page is written in flowery language is does seem suspicious. If someone out there knows the true origin of tossing the bouquet and confirm or discredit the entry in this article, it would be nice if it were fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.65.103.147 (talk) 00:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Same-sex Wedding

Now you are really pushing the envelope. To remove a same-sex photo because it shows 'nothing about a wedding' then to include a column and 'Phil and Marlene' and some decorated mustangs. The photo's back in. Remove it and you'd best remove half of those other photos too to keep to your own "standards". Enzedbrit (talk) 00:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Are you paying attention? The obvious answer would be no. Perhaps instead you intentionally try to sound idiotic. I don't think you're stupid by any means; quite the contrary. But you write diatribes attacking others (and name-calling in many instances), but don't do any research. If you took any time to see what was done, you'd see that the Wedding article was combined with the Wedding Traditions (etc.) article. The photo you are "accusing" me of adding was in that article already. If you look at the histories, the Talk page, and the edit summaries, you'd see that I clearly indicated that it was a rough combine and that the images would need to be sorted through (even asking others to help). Instead, though, you fall back into the blatantly troll-like behaviors of patently (and obviously) false accusations and then threats (though it was very weak, your last statement is phrased as a threat). You are looking stupid, and I don't know if that's intentional or not. An outside observer could think that you are representative of the so-called "gay community", but I think that would be a great disservice to other community members.
  • Regardless, I would like to see this article expanded out significantly, to include a ===Same-gender wedding=== section (perhaps a ==Same-gender wedding== instead, I don't know). In that article, your personal photo - the one which you seem to be pushing on everyone - can be in the article main and in the proper context.
  • What's funny is that all the work I put in to merging these together has the ultimate future benefit (and even intent!) of putting in a context in which your photo, to which you are so obsessively attached, would be appropriate, and instead of being thankful that I am working to include your gratuitious make-out session in an encyclopedia, you again level your personal attacks at me. You're like a two-year-old in a Toys R Us; you simply cannot be happy with anything. 00:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civil Partnership

I realise that civil partnership is a recognised term. However, it is an institution. One enters into a civil partnership. The article is about weddings, not the institution, in the same way that the article is not about marriage or civil unions. A same-sex wedding can be for marriage, civil union or civil partnership. If you wish to include civil partnerships, it would be best to say that a wedding represents the start of a marriage or civil union/partnership and include it as one of the institutions. Enzedbrit (talk) 12:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually most people in the UK regard Civil Partnership as a same-sex wedding in all but name. I only reverted because I assumed it was someone with an anti-gay agenda vandalising the article. It appears I was wrong and so I apologise for that. Justin talk 13:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
No worries, although I don't personally see how a civil partnership could be regarded as a wedding. I mean, after the wedding's over, they still have the civil partnership. If anything, wouldn't people say, in contrast to a wedding, that they're having a civil partnership ceremony? Enzedbrit (talk) 13:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Overly Overt Consumerism

Is it just me, or does it seem like certain chunks of this article are thinly veiled advertisements for assorted segments of the wedding industry? For example, the title of the "alternate wedding gown" section reads like the subtitle of a fashion product line: "Nontraditional gowns: The new way to experience tradition of a wedding"

Similarly, how 'bout the push on behalf of the diamond cartels? "The ring gains even greater symbolism with the inclusion of a precious stone." Hint hint. Wink wink. Buy more! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.97.96 (talk) 01:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Carl.bunderson (talk) 06:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can we just chuck this and start over?

This article is a wreck. There is a great deal of fluff; it doesn't deal with different cultures at all well; and it doesn't address exactly what a wedding is about in the first place. Can we come up with some framework that is workable? Mangoe (talk) 04:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I think that might be a good idea. It's hard to see how the current content can be built into a good article. Did you have any ideas for a framework? -- SiobhanHansa 16:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Yep, I agree. There's a problem in every other paragraph. I can see some brave efforts by several people to get it to hang together, but it is still very choppy. In addition to the above, it violates NPOV repeatedly (e.g. the condescendingly opinionated gifts section). Deoxyribonucleic acid trip (talk) 09:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Start over is the last resort. Reorganizing with existing text is often a good way to refactor something without starting over. Tb (talk) 13:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon Wedding Customs

As an "exmo" or Ex-Mormon myself, I believe that there should be more to the section for Mormon wedding customs. While there is nothing that can exclude one human from another, in that they are both human and marriage ceremonies are symbolic of the same act throughout cultures and history, each deserves its dues.

The Mormon traditions are recorded so far very loosely on their page describing the open house tradition. Instead of one wedding page, I'd like to see more informative research done on weddings themselves. World cultures should be mentioned, but not be the bulk of the article, and have their own articles within Wikipedia.

76.181.75.55 (talk) 05:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)