Talk:WBNX-TV

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[edit] WCOT

I re-inserted the info on WCOT-TV. While normally I would agree that a CP for a channel allocation warrants a separate article (if, indeed, it warrants any article at all!) from that of the station now occupying that channel, WCOT-TV was to be located in the same place, and effectively operated by the same company that would put WBNX-TV on the air. Unless this info turns out to be unverifiable, I say we keep it in the article. -- SwissCelt 16:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, perhaps I was a bit ambiguous in my thoughts. Though I admit I haven't seen the (new) article yet, I believe at this time WCOT should be merged into WBNX-TV. I highly doubt there's enough to say about the old (and never-on-the-air) WCOT to warrant a separate article. More importantly, though, WCOT is integral to WBNX-TV's history, and would make an excellent section for the latter article. -- SwissCelt 17:31, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

The history of WCOT is a seperate issue from the history of WBNX. The owner of WBNX was not to operate under the same call letters as the former owner of WCOT. Therefore, WCOT's history including the use of the concrete tower should be placed in a seperate article. The owner of WBNX never purchased the concrete tower nor had anything to do with it's history (Source: Summit County Ohio public records). Although, it may be an interesting fact, it really doesn't belong in an article about WBNX-TV, which began in 1985. The only connection between WCOT and WBNX is the sale of the original television license and that should be left intact within the article. The only television station to actually exist is WBNX, since WCOT never went on the air. Also, thank you SwissCelt for the more in-depth radio station information. -- [Broadcast Today] 20 February 2006

Where was WCOT to be located? I got the impression that it was at what was later Ernest Angley's broadcasting studios; that is, at the former Cathedral of Tomorrow. If this is true, I really think there's as much a continuum here as there is with WABD-WNEW-WNYW as it changed hands from DuMont to Metromedia to Fox (respectively). Just because a station has new call letters and a new owner does not necessarily mean it's a different station altogether. (Besides, do we really need a separate article about a TV station that never aired??) -- SwissCelt 05:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

WCOT was never built nor was any broadcasting equipment ever purchased. There were video recordings that took place at the Cathedral of Tomorrow at that time, but the WCOT license never went beyond just being a license from the FCC. WBNX, the television station, was built from the ground up, as their transmitter was located in a completely different city and their offices were located in a remodeled section of the complex next door to the Cathedral of Tomorrow. WCOT was to broadcast from the cement tower which is now owned by Kreiger. In 1985, when WBNX went on the air, it began broadcasting from a tower in Brecksville, but later built a new building, transmitter, tower and antenna in Parma. In fact, it's the tallest tower built in the Cleveland area and is now also a home to some radio station antennas. The studio that you're referring to was where video tapings took place, not any "broadcasting". The two stations are different; WCOT was to be a religous station, whereas WBNX is a secular station. The video production company that was originally part of the Cathedral of Tomorrow moved out of town and is known as Classic Worldwide owned by Jerry Patton. So, as you see, there's two different histories from two entirely different stations. The existing one simply purchased the only FCC broadcasting license available at that time. As far as whether the detailed history of WCOT deserves it's own page; I believe those details are better off on its own page than to include it as part of the history of WBNX's details. A mere mention of where the license was purchased from is fine to include, but all those details of what WCOT was supposed to be are not part of WBNX's details. As I'm sure you are aware, Wikipedia articles sometimes can go off onto tangent stories that really have little or nothing to do with the main subject of the article. I appreciate you wanting to discuss this. If the WCOT page is to be deleted, I would not object. Broadcast Today, 21 February 2006

I think, at the very least, the info you provided deserves the chance to be heard... er, read. I'll do nothing about it for now, and I eagerly await the article. You may be right: This article may well be worthwhile. -- SwissCelt 16:39, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Article should've already been available. I'm looking into what happened to it. Maybe it was already deleted. It wasn't much to read, but I've seen less written about subjects. Broadcast Today, 21 February 2006.

Please note that there's also a WCOT-FM in Jamestown, New York, which is actually broadcasting and therefore has at least as much right to the title as the never-launched predecessor of WBNX. If you feel strongly that the old WCOT deserves its own separate article, put it at WCOT-TV; the unsuffixed WCOT has to be either the station that actually is broadcasting with that call sign, or a disambiguation page. Bearcat 02:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you Bearcat. No, I don't feel strongly that the never-actually-aired WCOT-TV should have its own page. The way you have it is appropriate. Broadcast Today 03:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WCOT

The following text was removed from WCOT as it is a dabpage:

UHF Analog channel 55 was originally allocated to Akron as WCOT-TV,[1]. The license was awarded to Rex Humbard in the very late 1970's. The station began being built by 1981. The original plan was for the station to be 18 hours a day of Christian programming including several runs of the 700 Club per day, which at the time was seen on WUAB, and brokered time to other evangelists (keep in mind none of this ever went on the air over WCOT-TV since the station never signed on). The station also planned to run a couple hours a day of Christian programs produced by Rex Humbard. Late afternoons were to be secular family type entertainment and cartoons. But the station was never able to get on the air. Rex Humbard's ministry began to have financial difficulties and was unable to finish the transmitter.

In 1985, Rex Humbard sold the construction permit to Winston Broadcasting, an arm of the Ernest Angley Ministries. Construction of WCOT-TV ceased and a new station, WBNX-TV went on the air Dec. 1, 1985 as a secular for-profit broadcaster. The unfinished concrete tower which still stands behind Grace Cathedral was originally intended to hold WCOT's transmission tower. That tower was never purchased or used by WBNX, but is owned by Krieger Communications and used for cellular phone transmissions.

Integrate as you see fit. JPG-GR 03:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe the way it is now (Nov. 12,2007) with a brief mention of a proposed WCOT and the fact that it never aired is sufficient. The "history" of what WCOT was to be has no place in the WBNX page since, first of all, it is pure conjecture and unsourced, and second, it is a seperate identity with the only connection being the unused license being sold from one party to another. This has been discussed in length (see above) and it was agreed upon to keep the "histories" seperate as one has nothing to do with the other except the change of ownership of the FCC license before anything actually went on the air. Broadcast Today 08:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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