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Thanks to Chug for fixing reference to Todd McKinnon, I was there and don't remember him; I've never even heard of him.

[edit] Sexual Assaults

I was watching some of the footage of the concert today, and in the background saw a girl's top being lifted up against her will, and I remembered that that was an unfortunate part of the day. The video screens began asking girls to flash the cameras, and a lot of mostly males started ripping shirts off any girl unfortunate enough to get selected by the cameras. I realise the heading is a little dramatic and the paragraph seems out of proportion, but I feel that it needs to be mentioned. No other news sources seem to remember these events, and I doubt the WAVEAID DVD has a bonus gallery with pictures of the unlucky punters. about a third of the girls where happy enough to flash, and about two thirds definitely didn't want their breasts on show for friends, family and total strangers. Feel free to edit the entry to fit in better with the article, but please leave it in, I feel it needs to be recorded somewhere. rakkar 22:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I do not recall a single female member of the audience having her shirt lifted other than on her own accord. As I remember the event, every person who was on the big screen had a huge smile on their face. Hardly the behavior of someone who was just sexually assaulted. Furthermore, a third, two thirds, where are you getting these numbers from, and where is the citation for these alleged "sexual assaults"? As is my understanding of Wikipedias verifiability guidelines, I will be removing these uncited claims. My apologies in advance if I have misinterpreted.150.101.112.253 12:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I seem to remember that being a hilarious part of the day. Sexual assault is fun after all.

Those figures were my own reckoning, I don't have any concrete evidence. I'm sure theres footage of it somewhere but I'm not likely to get access to it. Perhaps you didn't see some of the more reluctant members of the crowd, but as soon as the shirt lifting started, I began to get a bad feeling that it could turn nasty, and I was looking around for it. I take your point about the unverifiability of what I'm saying, I will try to make a more compliant article. rakkar 22:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

It's completely irrelevant here anyway... it's basically "this is what I personally remember about the concert." So what?! Sheesh.

Hey 192.43.227.18, don't change article back to an older version with explaining why.rakkar 20:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

On the contrary, i'd appreciate it if YOU didn't put that sentence back in. Were any complaints registered? Were there any charges? Until such time as you can provide a citation, please refrain from re-inserting this claim. By the way, I originally took it out (under the IP 150.101.112.253 a while back), and will do so again. 137.166.4.130 09:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Right, Okay. Here are other people talking about tits on the big screen:

  • [1] the roving camera kept looking at women's breasts and making crude remarks about lots of things
  • [2] Apart from the scary Triple M-ish/footy/cricket crowd & showground camera operators focussing on girls breasts, it had a great vibe...
  • [3] Waveaid was the grossest day ever... The Channel V crew were terrible there though with that person writing stuff up on the big screen and getting girls to flash their tits and guys to wave their dicks around in front of the camera. I thought that day was supposed to be a bit of a family thing in the name of charity? And Chuggy getting on the microphone and treating us like naughty school kids and encouraging the crowd to chant "FAG!" at some guy in the crowd. It got a bit stupid then.
  • [4] Another strange aspect to the day was the use of the SCG’s video screen, and the two screens by the side of the stage. Throughout the length of the concert, when bands weren’t playing, footage taken from cameras around the ground was broadcast on these screens while occasionally, captions were overlaid. They were pretty good-natured, but pretty soon slipped into the somewhat offensive; speculating on the sexual predilections of crowd members, saying that a punter looked like a “skank” or “English backpacker”. This devolved into an arena-wide, screen-broadcast game of “show us your tits” – something that left a bad taste, given that many of the girls singled out on screen seemed to be coerced into flashing some flesh.
  • [5] Then the crowd cam was encouraging people to flash their tits, and all the yobbodickheads where groping any tits they could get their sweaty paws on. Not the kinda crap you should encourage at a festival.
  • [6] - i was quite worried about just how incredibly big a pervert the camera guy/guy controlling the computers for the screen was (if i was his employer, the least i would be doing is sending him on a sexual harrassment course!). (jed also ponders whether feminism has gone too far and now somehow women *enjoy* doing exactly what men want them to do? i couldn’t believe that only one of the good-looking chicks with the camera focused on her at this stage decided to keep her breasts tucked safely in her bra and shirt. i felt very much like cheering but i would only have been drowned out by the hundreds of men booing).

So, leaving the numbers aside, there's proof that it DID happen, therefore I feel it should go into the article.rakkar 15:02, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


... And for the links you've posted, you're STILL yet to provide a SINGLE example of either a) a charge being laid or b) non-consensual flashing. Sorry, that don't fly. Good try though 137.166.4.130 06:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

did you have a problem with what I wrote? I accept that my origional submission was improper, I've taken your comments on board and reworked it, I've bought together quotes from people that the cameras were leading the crowd in flashing tits and dicks to the whole stadium, and that some people didn't want it to happen. No, I don't beleive that there were charges laid. I don't think that's relevant. I was there, I saw it happening, so did the people I quoted, I feel it SHOULD fly. If you still want to contend the issue, get serious and register a name instead of this anonymous IP posting. rakkar 00:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The page has been anonymously reverted again so I've asked for this to be mediated by the WP:Mediation_Cabal here[7], because obviously neither of us is changing our minds on this. rakkar 13:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, been a long time since i've been here. Back on this I see. To me there is a huge difference between being 'coerced' into doing something and doing it against your will. You're still yet to provide a single verifiable source here. Believe it or not, forums, blogs and private websites aren't verifiable sources. 203.49.133.202 03:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed section

Hi, I've looked at the links and would advise they don't comply with WP:RS and in this context, the section has been removed. If you want to reintroduce this section could you find a reliably published secondary reference. Thanks, Addhoc 14:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I spent some time and found some quotes that met WP guidelines, and I have added them, and Addhoc agreed that they did. The article was up for discussion here Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-10-06_WaveAid and there was no comments from anyone. SO, can people please NOT change the article regarding the screens unless they have a new and good reason to do so. thanks. rakkar 00:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)