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[edit] Princess Yue

I think that the edit war needs to be brought to an end. Is Princess Yue a waterbender? NO! She has only controlled water as a spirit. I don't think spirits should count as waterbenders. Jason Garrick (talk) 15:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Princess Yue is the current incarnation of the Moon Spirit. The Moon Spirit is regarded as the first Waterbender. Those facts in themselves make Yue a notable waterbender. Rau's Speak Page 20:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lunar dependence

The wording of the section mentioning waterbending's reliance on the moon makes it seem that even a new moon would leave them powerless. Considering they come once a month, and yet the characters have never suffered ill effects because of them, perhaps it should be rewritten to point out that the only time waterbenders suffer from the "moon's absence" is when it is literally struck out of the sky (or, potentially, a lunar eclipse). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.61.200.253 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

During a new moon, the moon is still there though. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 02:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

HeirTo Pendragon is right, the Waterbenders can still draw power from the moon even if it isn't visible, they do it all the time during the daytime. We've never seen a waterbender unable to bend just because the sun was up. JBK405 15:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

three things: 1) you are wrong, visibility of the moon does make a difference. in seige of the north pole there iroh says that the waterbenders are strongest during the full moon and zuko said "you rise with the moon, I rise with the sun." 2) the thing about the new moon has not been shown to do anything, so it can't be sited even if it is hevily implied. i agree with them (well, powers wouldn't go away completly), but you can't put it in. 3) not potentially a lunar eclipse, definitly a lunar eclipse. when the moon spirit died it was refered to later as the lunar eclipse.

[edit] With all due respect...

If water bending within the body (the stomach specifically) have not been seen in the show, then why are they in the article? There's no citation, so I can only conclude that this is mere speculation. If so, it does not belong here, and needs to be removed. T.z0n3 01:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Thought the same thing myself at first, but it's on Nick.com's offical Avatar site.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changing this part

"Select Waterbenders such as Katara possess the rare ability to heal wounds by redirecting energy paths (or chi) throughout the body, using water as a catalyst. Physically, this draws on the restorative properties of water to organisms such as human beings that are primarily composed of it. In the Northern Water Tribe, this ability is reserved for female Waterbenders, who are restricted from learning fighting tactics."

I'm rewording it because it's not a "rare ability" that only certain Waterbenders can possess. It's an ability all of them can learn. It's a matter of training. 24.14.120.92 03:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that rare in this case means that she did such an ability without training.

[edit] Spirituality

End the revision war! Which one means push and which means pull. Bring EVIDENCE H2P 06:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Stated Directly from the show:

Aang: I need to find the moon and the ocean
Koh: Their spirit names are Tui and La, Push and Pull

Therefore I am going off this to conclude:
Tui = Moon and Push
La = Ocean and Pull

This would also be the reason why Yue, named after the moon spirit, resembles Tui more than La. I realize that these names may contradict the female and male roles of Yin and Yang. The black side of a YinYang does represent feminine which would be La, but it also represents moon (when compared to sun!) which would be Tui. The Avatar world may be going off their own representation. If anyone can bring about evidence that can completely disregard Koh's statement, bring it forth, because only then should those two aspects be changed. Remember we are keeping these articles to what we know (which would be what the show and writers tell us) and removing speculations. H2P 21:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I am a part Chinese and I know a bit about the language. "Tui" means push ONLY, not moon at all. Moon is "yue" (which also happens to be princess Yue's name. coincidence? I think not.) And "La" only means pull, nothing to do with the ocean. I may not be an expert in Chinese, but I'm pretty sure these are correct. Hope this helps you.- Stretchyrubberbands 17:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

alright, i'm sure that they have nothing to do with the moon and ocean, but they have been clearly identified which is which. case closed.

[edit] Lunar Ecplise and Waterbending

It's said by Katara in the The Library episode that waterbenders lose their powers during the lunar ecplise seeing as how the moon in the Siege of the North when Zhao took Tui out of the pond, the moon was red. That's what a lunar eclipse looks like.

they reffered to it later on as the lunar eclipse, you should pay more attention.

[edit] within-show styles

Can this article include stuff on "Northern", "Southern" and "Swampy" styles, tribes, etc. I would add it, just don't know how it should be put in sections, and if it will get deleted for being not refrenced......it might be public knowldge though....--Bud0011 21:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I always wondered how the show would explain the swamp dwellers bending of both water and plants. A new "Styles" section would be beneficial. However, there is not much information regarding the "Southern" style, since Katara is the only and not very experienced waterbender left from that area. --Skaijo

Would like to include the following, but apprently it doesn't make sense. can anyone modify this so it does make sense?

"There are three known styles of Waterbending: Northern, Southern, and Swamp style. Though Wong Shi Tong (The_Library_(Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender_episode)) metions that he has Mastered All Three Types, He Show's little about the diffrences; Leaving it up to the watcher to understand a distiunguish. For Institance, The Healing Technigue(s) Katara sees at the North pole may be an all-style or only Northern Style Use. In addition, if the 3 Styles are vastly Diffrent, Aang May have to learn and Master all Three styles to Truely Master All the Elements. "

--Bud0011 12:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

All of that is speculative. There are different style due to their location, but we don't really know anything about those styles other than the fact that the swamp tribe can bend plants. The N and S tribes might be able to... if they had plants. And we don't know if Aang hasn't all ready learned them.H2P 21:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Which is why i said "may have to learn" and "He Show's little about the diffrences" --Bud0011 22:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

this is still speculation, but i think it might still be worthy of note here. katara knows absolutly no swampy waterbending and almost no sothern waterbending (which hasn't been seen much in the entire seires) so we could say she is north style, and the swampy waterbenders seemed to waterbend to influence objects as opposed to moving the water, they also mainly bend with stiff extended arms.

Katara doesn't know any Southern waterbending because she's the only Southern waterbender (that we've been introduced to). And the reason the waterbenders from the Swamp can waterbend plants is because they grew up around the plants and know how to manipulate the water within them. It's similar with snow. The Swamp waterbenders might not be able to move the snow at first, even if it is water-based, because it's something they aren't used to. That's probably why Katara didn't bend the swamp plants. And please sign your talk posts with ~~~~. Bagpipeturtle 01:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disadvantages in bending

I want to propose the removing of the next sentence on the articles (and obviously from all the other bending articlues): "Waterbending has no inherent advantages or disadvantages over the other disciplines. The series has repeatedly illustrated that it's the skill and prowess of the user that determines victory". That's not true, for example waterbending has the disadvantage of the need of an external source of water, while have the advantage of being very adaptable.

Firebending has the disadvantage of no defensive capabilities while some advantages are that moustly of the fights are during daytime and that fire is destructive by itself while the other bendings has to master their power in order to cause real damage, also the fire lets the fire nation mold the steel for their ships.

Air has the disadvantage of the lack of finishing moves, while they have the advantage of being very agile which lets them handle several oponents.

Earth has the natural disadvantage that doesnt let them build a huge navy ('couse earthbending is pointless in the ocean), while having one of the best defensive capabilities.

Those are just a few examples to ilustrate my point. I apologize in advance for my english 'couse I'm not a native english speaker. Carutsu.

I don't think you understand the sentence properly. It means that waterbending isn't the strongest or weakest form of bending, it is only as powerful as the person controlling it. Though admitably, the sentence doesn't really make sense because of the points you listed...Bendragonbrown47 18:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

almost everything you said was from the officail avatar site, that includes that no one bending style has advantage over another.

just as a side note. I'm pretty sure there's a separate bending for metalbending 222.70.60.142 01:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mud

In The Avatar State, general Fong put earth in Katara's bending water, turning it to mud, so she couldn't use anymore, how does she bend the mud from the drill then? Is it an error or there is a logical explanation?

Please sign your comments using ~~~~. Now, for the explanation. Katara COULD have bended the water out of the dirt, as she did it in The Desert. However, she did not have the time to do this during the battle. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 04:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The other obvious explanation is that if she had stopped to do that, the general could easily have tried to bury the water. She's never successfully bended mud with an earthbender opposing her.Sean Patrick Santos 01:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

The stuff from the drill was NOT mud. It's called "slurry". There's a difference. Keyblade Mage 15:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

WRONG!!! waterbenders CAN bend mud, katara once had a mudbending fight with toph in an earth kingom spa during thier free time in ba sing se.

Retcon anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.144.236 (talk) 03:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

No she didn't, she only used waterbending to create steam. 189.4.244.33 22:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

For the record, Katara did bend mud in the beginning of The Runaway, when she was having a mud fight with Toph. And slurry isn't so different from mud, they are both earth mixed with water right? Ub3rn008 (talk) 09:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misnomer?

I think that water bending is a little bit of a misnomer, since Katara could bend the perfume in the episoide Bato of the water tribe, plus she bended the slurry from the drill. It seems that waterbenders can bend multiple liquids and and not just water. Keyblade Mage 15:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

Well most liquids do have water in them. The perfume thing I don't understand because Perfume is mostly just oil. The slurry though, is just rock that is mixed with water to allow it to be moved easier. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 19:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Even oil-based perfumes can contain emulsions of water, and I believe that water-based perfumes have been made, but they tend to be less effective. I'd chalk it up to an oversight by the writers probably. In either case, there's no definitive case showing a water-less liquid being bent. Considering the force with which Katara moves water, and the high intermolecular forces in water molecules (so that water mixes easily with many things and sticks to them), it's not so surprising that she can control most liquids with a significant percentage of H20.

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Besides that, would you prefer they called it "Liquidbending"? It doesn't have the same ring as "Waterbending", and the whole theme of this show is the 4 classical elements, one of which being water.

Psydon 14:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bender Templates

So, I posted this on the Avatar Wikiproject page, but everyone seems to be ignoring it, so I'll post it here, too: we need as template for the "Something"bender pages. I proposed one too, and here it is:

Origin & History (Badger-moles for earthbending, the moon for waterbending, etc.)
Fighting Style (The Martial Art it is based on)
Forms (i.e., for waterbending, there would be Northern, Southern, and Swamp styles)
Tecniques & Weapons (for Airbending, there would be the glider and the air scooter; for firebending, lightning would be here, as well as Zuko's flame-swords; one for waterbending would be healing, etc.)
Culture (Agni Kai for firebenders; that airball game Aang taught Sokka; the Earthbending game the kids were playing in Iroh's tale. Also would include Elemental Symbol)
Notable ___benders (self-explanatory; replace ___ with Earth, Fire, Water, or Air)

Does anyone have anything to suggest, criticize, or whether or not we should do it at all? Sandmouse 19:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

To be perfectly honest, I think they're fine the way they are.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

But it would be nice to have all the -bender pages similar, wouldn't it? Sandmouse 01:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it sounds great, problem is that nobody will bother doing all of that when we have the current one that might not be organized but still fairly complete.

[edit] Pictures

Would it be possible to replace the picture of the water bender soldiers? Their blue uniforms and the small amount of water being manipulated doesn't make for a particularly good example of water bending. A picture of a single water bender manipulating a larger quantity of water, preferably on a different coloured background would be much more effective. ColonelCurt 06:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe this picture? It still has a lot of blue but it's much easier to see the water: http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/118/082.jpg

Is anyone going to give an opinion about the picture above? 201.37.194.90 15:02, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I like the picture, but the Benders seem to be a bit fuzzy. Maybe refocus it?--TriCheeseSorrow (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ku Taichi?

In the "Fighting Styles" section is reads, "Waterbending is based on the "Ku" style of Tai Chi, which originated in the Ku Yu Cheong lineage; it is a martial art that features slow movements and elegant forms that evoke the feel of flowing water." The citation for it goes to the Nick Short about what fighting style was used to create water bending. It NEVER mentioned the word "KU" at all. I've never heard of Ku style Tai chi. As far as I know; Ku Yu Cheong was a northern Shaolin master famous for his Iron Palm technique. So, I'm going to delete the bit that says it comes from the "Ku Yu Cheong lineage”. I think someone was playing a trick that was never caught. (Ghostexorcist 17:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Other articles

Fire bending and water bending articles exsist. (the latter created by me because I didn't know this one exsisted - sorry!). Can someone delete them (or at least merge/redirect) because I don't know how. Thanks.Bendragonbrown47 20:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I've redirected them to Firebender and Waterbender, respectively.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry once again. Bendragonbrown47 18:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plant Bending?

What happened to the Plant Bending section? --69.136.111.100 21:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

is threr engough information on plant bending? All that i know about it is that it's swampy style and that it bends moisture in plants. there are also two ways that it has been used. that would make up all of three lines.

[edit] Waterbending picture

I think that the first picture on this page isn't very effective, i found a diffrent one but don't know how to change it so I'll leave the link for some else to.

http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/220/642.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.81.193.186 (talk) 03:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Notable Waterbenders

Why isn't Yangchen a notable Waterbender? She was an Avatar and therefore a Waterbender, if Kuruk is a notable Waterbender, so must be Yangchen. 189.4.230.173 22:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Although all of the former Avatars have been Waterbenders (to our knowledge), I think the idea is that Kuruk was originally a Waterbender, being born into the Water Tribe. Malusmoriendumest 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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See what I said about this in the Firebending Discussion.

Psydon 14:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Yue should be considered a water bender (being the moon spirit) and should not be omitted from the list. 76.87.214.245 17:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Variations

Shouldn't Waterbending have proper sections of its variations? Like the Earthbending page has? There there's a proper section for sand and metal, whereas in Waterbending everything but healing (which could do with an image, I'm sure) is compressed in one single section. 201.17.28.73 01:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Trey7 (talk) 17:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Is the unagi a waterbender?

You know, this serpent out of the warriors of kyoshi... It was able to spit water! and the other serpent out of the serpents pass..... I don´t remember if it spit water but anyway... Couldn`t be the sea serpents be the or one of the orgins for this element?

If you are asking about the origin of water bending, then no sea serpents have little to do with the water tribe. The early water tribe people observed the moon pushing and pulling the tides, and thus revere the moon as the first water bender, not the Unagi. In fact, the sea serpents were from Kyoshi Island, and the Serpent's Pass, both of those are Earth Kingdom territories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ub3rn008 (talk • contribs) 09:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, but does spitting water count for waterbending???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.47.129.184 (talk) 19:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so. Sure, it uses water, but it could have pouches that let it do this as a defense mechanism. And since it lives underwater, it could easily just take some in and spit it out, not much "bending" going on there. However, it could be some of the dragons that Hiro didn't kill (PURELY speculation).--TriCheeseSorrow (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of styles and techniques

I see no real reason such a thing should be in there.

Naturally I welcome anyone who wishes to defend its placement, but just reverting it's not going to do any good.

His royal majesty, Lord Holy Ono (talk) 20:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

There is no point in making an entire section for it, the techniques are already mentioned through the article. And the Waterbending Animal section can go down too. 201.37.60.119 (talk) 14:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Introduction of sub-skills

As well as in the article about Firebending, it says that "each of the four bending arts has a sub-skill which only few can achieve". While I know that there's a source for that, a sub-skill for Airbending has never been shown in a canon source, which invalidates that sentence. Until said sub-skill for Airbending is shown, the introduction of that section should be changed. 189.32.157.17 (talk) 16:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Just because the sub-skill hasn't been shown doesn't mean there isn't one. The other three Bending Arts have them, why wouldn't Airbending?

The fact that the sub-skill for Airbending hasn't been shown doesn't invalidate the claim that there are four Bending sub-skills.

His royal majesty, Lord Holy Ono (talk) 18:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

But until it is shown, wouldn't it be better to keep it on the safe side? ::189.32.157.17 (talk) 19:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The safe side is to assume that since the other Bending arts have sub skills, so too does Airbending. There's no reason to assume it doesn't.

76.0.95.134 (talk) 21:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

As long as we don`t see or hear of any sub-skill, we really should change it. We can`t just say: "the other three elements have this and that, so why not the last element". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.47.129.184 (talk) 20:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Finally, someone who agrees with me. 201.37.60.119 (talk) 13:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.0.95.134 (talk) 05:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Neither is the opposite. 189.60.84.129 (talk) 11:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Evidence of absence is not absence of evidence? That hardly even makes sense.

At any rate, way I see it, this is academic.

If the canon source, which in this case appears to be Pacific Media Expo 2006(correct me if I'm wrong).

If the canon source says that all four Bending disciplines have a sub-skill then all four Bending disciplines have a subskill. Including Airbending. The fact that the ABSS has yet to be shown does not in any way, shape or form invalidate that canon source. If the show actually says "airbending has no subskill u st00pied-heds!1!!1!1!!!!" Then it would be safe to assume that Airbending has no sub-skill.

And until that day comes, the article(s) should remain the way it(they) is(are). His royal majesty, Lord Holy Ono (talk) 21:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The biggest problem I have with this argument is that I keep on seeing the word "assume" a lot. Assuming is the same thing as speculation or original research. There is no way of verifying what was said at the expo if a person was not there. Therefore, that makes the expo source unverifiable and against WP:Verify. However, if a published source can be found, I see no problem in keeping the four sub-skills quote. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm sorry Ono, but that's OR pure and simple. If it has not been said by a verifiable, checkable source, than it shouldn't be in the article. We are not allowed to "make connections", "connect the dots", etc.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 18:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's that isn't it? :-) His royal majesty, Lord Holy Ono (talk) 05:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that the sentance should go a little something like this, "each of the four bending arts has a sub-skill which only few can achieve, although an Airbending subset has not yet been shown...". Just something to let people know that while there most likely is a sub-set, that an air-bending one has yet to be seen, due to the lack of airbenders. Also, w00t to the person who quoted Boondocks-(Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)!--TriCheeseSorrow (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Varieties

Why are plantbending and bloodbending not listed under one section, "varieties"? Aobaru (talk) 21:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Why is something called liquid bending there its not really a variety. 71.65.34.160 (talk) 01:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Does this really need its own article?

I hate to be "that guy", but does this really need its own article? I can't imagine it's notable, as it shows no hits on Google News or Scholar, and none of the refs are from non-primary sources.

Could the four types of bending be merged into one larger article? Already this article seems to be over-expanded - it could really stand to be trimmed and merged into a "Bending (Avatar)" or "Elemental Bending" article.

Thank you for your time.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 18:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

For that matter do they need an article period? Just insert a small mention in the main page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Holy Ono (talk • contribs) 06:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I dunno. Personally, I'd prefer for this to stay, but I'm a packrat, and I hate to get rid of ANY articles. But anyway, if you want to merge em', I suggest taking it up with the Wiki project. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keyblade Mage (talk • contribs) 21:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that they shouldn't be merged. Each one is different. That felt really familiar typing, so go check the Earthbending article.--TriCheeseSorrow (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Avatars

Being avatars, you can automatically assume that they are waterbending masters, extremely good waterbending masters. They are both notable and good waterbenders, i do not see why they do not qualify.Rau J16 17:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

As stated each time - because they are not notable as waterbenders. They are merely notable for something, and coincidentally, waterbenders.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 01:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The fact that they are Avatars makes them notable waterbenders. Rau J16 01:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

They are notable and they are Waterbenders but they are not notable waterbenders. Why is it so hard for you people to grasp this concept?His royal majesty, Lord Holy Ono (talk) 05:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Because being notable and being waterbenders makes them notable waterbenders. Why is is so hard for you people to grasp this concept. By your logic, Aang would not be a notable waterbender, neither would Roku, they both meet the same requirements as all other Avatars not born into the Water Tribe. Rau J16 11:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Consider this - President Bush is notable. He owns a dog. Should we put him on a list of "notable dog-owners" - no, because he is not notable for owning a dog!

The "notable ~~" lists are meant to show the "cream of the crop" for a specific subject. Can't you see how it muddles that and makes it useless if we just throw in any famous person who tenuously fits the requirements? People read the list to learn, in this case, what prominent waterbenders would be like, and you're trying to paint the picture that prominent waterbenders are born in the Fire Nation.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 14:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Then by that logic both Aang and Roku should be removed as well. And considering i did not add one person from the fire nation, i do not see how i am painting that picture. And it is not impossible for a person from one nation to learn another's bending art, the Avatar is proof of that. The Avatars are notable for their bending and for being a medium between worlds. I do not honestly see how they do not qualify. Rau J16 23:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

...Roku was born in the fire nation. Aang and Roku should be removed, you are correct.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 00:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

"And it is not impossible for a person from one nation to learn another's bending art, the Avatar is proof of that." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.0.68.87 (talk) 16:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

The Avatar is the exception that proves the rule.

No hes not. The creators stated in an interview that bending was not genetic, which means that you dont have to be from a nation to learn that element. The Avatar is just full of himself and shows off by learning them all. Rau's talk 17:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I think your mistaken, because in the interview I read, bending IS genetic to everyone EXCEPT the Avatar, and even the Avatar can only pass on the gene of whatever nation they come from. Akuzio (talk) 13:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a link to this interview? Heres my source:

RM: Okay, next I know I'm going really left brained and you can call me a geek because I am, but in "The Fortuneteller" you have a pair of twins...kids...one is an earthbender and one isn't. So is bending genetic, or is it some sort of spiritual thing? How does it work?

BK: Mike and I just got new puppies. They're brothers. They have the same mother and father. Same litter. Mike's dog can just sit in a crate and be happy as a clam. My dog just loses all control...everything. Who knows why these things happen? They're beyond our full understanding.

MDD: Yeah, Katara's mom and dad weren't benders. Maybe it's a recessive gene. I've always seen it as more spiritual connections, though. A little bit mysterious...

BK: I mean we've definitely talked about it. I think, again, sometimes we might not know...it's more of what we don't want it to be. We didn't want it to be like there is a lineage...a royal family or something...and these people can bend and then there's everyone else as non-bending, people who never will. Some sort of caste system. Mike and I are more attracted to more of the flux type universe. The only constant is change, variation, that sorta thing. I'm sure it's a bunch of factors.

***Interviewers note: About 20 mins after the interview, Bryan came back to me and we spoke a little more about the basis of bending off recorder. He described bending as more of a talent. You have some genetic basis for potential, but you could go your whole life without developing the talent into ability. Some people have more inherent talent than others, while others with minimal inherent talent can still develop it through hard work and practice. He reiterated a connection to the spiritual energies is the underlying basis. How it manifests is based on upbringing and experience.

See what I mean? According to that, it's not genetic. Rau's Speak Page 00:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Are we reading the same thing? From what I got, its not JUST genetic. It probably has more of a spiritually basis than genetic, though a genetic basis is still needed, if even on a minimal degree. Either way, this is Wikipedia, which means we need verifiability, and there usage of the word "Maybe" and their vagueness shows that it is inconclusive. This is not the place for interpretation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akuzio (talk • contribs) 03:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blood Bending

"An experienced waterbender can freeze fluids in a person's body, thus killing or impairing a person. They can also crush or twist muscles and organs to cause intenses pain to the victim." This entry is in the bloodbending section and lists the puppetmaster as a source, but I do not see where in the episode it says it can be taken to this level. If its not verifiable it should not be in this article. Akuzio (talk) 06:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice catch. Rau's Speak Page 10:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)