Talk:Water tank

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I wrote this article to provide a forum for accumulating information and resources relavant to water tanks, materials of constructions, specifications and applications. It has seen a number of edits from Wikipedia editors, but I will continue to revise and update. Vinmax


Posting a message here is a fine way. Please sign your contributions by typing four tildes (~). Cheers, -Will Beback 03:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I would like to understand the nature of the desent regarding this definition and the resources provided. My efforts to edit were blocked and the definition kept reverting back to a previous editorial. As the article stands it is missing some valuable resource data, while the FDA, NSF & AWWA as provided have some great application information, the resources from commercial vendors provide the best examples of products to solve the application requirements. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vinmax (talk • contribs) .
I've placed a "welcome" message on your talk page which includes links to many help pages, as well as our policies and guidelines. The purpose of this encyclopedia is not to provide "examples of products to solve application requirements". We're here to verifiably summarize noteworthy informaiton from reliable sources using the neutral point of view. Our guideline on external links, WP:EL, does not encourage us to provide links to commercial websites. Instead, we'd rather include the information here, if appropriate. Cheers, -Will Beback 21:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Problems

Wikipedia is not a how-to-guide. The purpose of this article is not to give design tips to potential purchasers of water tanks. Nor is Wikipedia an advertising board- we're not here to promote tanksystems. As the recent edits have appeared to contradict both of these prinicples, I am going to revert them. Please discuss proposed changes here. -Will Beback 22:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please Review

Dear Will... Will, is Wikipedia a dictionary or an encyclopedia, I was under the impression that a comprehensive approach to a subject was preferred. I have reviewed Wikirules and a number articles that were far more detailed that what I have contributed. Tanksystems is a generic term for liquid or bulk material solids, tanks and related components. Feed back desired. Vinmax

For starters, we avoid using the second-person pronoun "You". We don't address the reader at all. We don't give him advice on how to build the best tank. Instead, we describe what tanks are, how they are used, etc. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. How is the article uncomprehensive? What areas need to be expanded? -Will Beback 18:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Will, UR Good and fast editor, it does read better without the "you-r" - I am trying to be comprehensive, I don't mean to give advise on how to build, but would like to provide info on the various water tanks available and how one material might be superior to another given various application varibles. I do want to contribute and apoligize for being a problematic author, I take your editorials in the most postive context. Vinmax

I appreciate your willingness to work with us. Without changing the existing text, would it be possible to add a section listing tank materials and their uses? Something like:
  • Polyethylene is a cheap plastic used for underground tanks. However it gives an unpleasant taste and last only 5 years.
  • Concrete is long-lasting and can be used above or below ground. Careful construction is required to avoid cracking.
Or something along those lines? -Will Beback 23:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

This too, is possible: I have attached herewit a picture of my composition that has a number of different water tanks, elevated storage (carbon steel): hydropneumatic (lined carbon steel): ground storage (lined carbon steel): Chemical contact chamber (Polyethylene)

Porter Water Tank System link title

Give a look, if you like it, let me know how to insert it. Thanks Gene Vincent (Vinmax)

That picture is a bit odd, but I suppose it would help the article. You can upload it by clicking on the "Upload file" link on the left of the screen. You'll need to give it a license - I suggest "GFDL (self made)", but you can use one of the other licenses if you prefer.("License" as in permission to use the image). Once you done that we can put the image in the article. -Will Beback 07:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

WB, I did try uploading this picture but have been unable to wade through, I probably upload to the moon, as far as I can tell. I gave permission, browsed and identified the file, but got gipkiss...I can give it to you, but can get it to the water tank page, your assistance is appreciated. vinmax http://www.tanksystems.com/index1.jpg Vinmax 03:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

There you go. -Will Beback 03:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello WB, someone stole our picture, any idea why? Vinmax

[edit] Cisterns

Hi, I've added a pic of a historical water tank, but I think all of this article needs to tie in better with Cistern. Remember that the article is about the concept, not about the different terms used for it. So, maybe think about water tank and cistern: are they the same concept? If yes, merge the articles ( I can help). If not, what is the difference? Can you make it clear? You'll probably want to discuss with the editors of cistern.

Sorry to suggest this work without doing much to help - I was just passing on my way to another article! Cheers, JackyR | Talk 22:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AWWA

  • ...a AWWA lined carbon steel pressure vessel...

What is "AWWA"? The only one I could find is the "American Water Works Association", but I'm not sure how they can line a tank. -Will Beback 04:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

What is the AWWA? Initials for the American Water Works Association, a national organization, whose charter is to support the technical evolution of the water tank industry. Training engineers and those involved in the water industry.

To answer Will Beback's great question, from exactly a year ago, "how do you line a tank"... Tank linings may consist of a variety of materials, any material that is added to a tank, to extend the life of the vessel or prevent the loss liquid or prevent the corrosion of the tank itself may be called a lining. Examples include clay for ponds or lakes; polyethylene ponds, containment containers, tanks. Epoxies for carbon steel tanks. These are few of the materials that may be used to "line" tanks. There is more to it that what meets the eye. Vinmax 01:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)Vinmax

[edit] Moved from article - CFR Title 21

I've moved the following external link here for discussion. It seems too off topic and promotional, but perhaps we can identify which CFR documents are relevant and just give links to them instead?

  • [1] Code of Federal Register - CFR Title 21 Part 129 Helpful information and water tank installation instructions. This is an US Government document, published as part of the Federal Register, these are both government rules and guidlines of water tank installations.

--Ronz 23:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ronz, the purpose of this inclusion is to excerpt from CFR ( Code of Federal Register, about 85,000 pages. The information is to the point and provided from a website with relevant in context data. Hope you approve. Vinmax —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinmax (talk • contribs) 15:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Added link to photo gallery for additional detail - Vinmax —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinmax (talk • contribs) 06:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Based on my [limited, yet thorough] experience working in wikipedia, it's probably better to link to galleries in the "External Links" section. I'll go ahead and do that. Nick (talk) 23:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

033008 - Undo, returns previous valuable data that speaks to several specific water tank issues extracted from the CFR, the undo replaced a very general CFR reference on the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinmax (talk • contribs) 02:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

040708 - Undo, removes commercial link to Natgun Corporation, as it is a commercial only link and does not add any technical information to search term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinmax (talk • contribs) 21:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)