Talk:Wars of the indigenous peoples of North America

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[edit] Title incorrect if this is to include non-US wars

Title is OK for wars between, say, the Cherokee and Chickasaw, and I guess because Alaska is American now the Russian-aboriginal Battle of Sitka (1904) is legit here; but I object to the use of the American term for aboriginal people if it's in reference to wars in Canada or New Spain; it gets dicier in two of BC's wars (the Fraser Canyon and Wild Horse Creek Wars) because Americans were involved, if not the United States as a government or military. The title is even more inappropriate for the two Riel Rebellions ("rebellions", so-called by central Canadian historiographical prejudices/propaganda). Not sure what the title should be, then; but "Native American wars" doesn't cut it for what this page is supposed to be; easier to adjust the Indian Wars page to remove the overt American-history bias from that term (i.e. to set a precedent). Suggestions? Skookum1 22:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this should be something like Indigeneous Peoples of North America Wars. Excellent points on here and on Indian Wars page : what is the perspective? I am fairly sure some Apache groups didn't really look at the US/Spanish boundary. From a different perspective, consider that Vandals and "other barbarians" who invaded what we call Italy or Europe. They are the equal of the european North American invaders to the indigeneous peoples of North America. Interestingly, at least in US schools, the story is generally told from the "Western Roman Empire" perspective. Go figure :)

Like the "Western Roman Empire", indigeneous people of North America also fought each other. Tbat is why I added a topic. Just more food for thought. --Rcollman 12:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indian Wars crossovers here, list needs culling

As I recall this page was created as the location for wars between the non-US imperial/colonial powers and their settlers on the one hand and the and the indigenous peoples of Canada and Mexico, and also those in what is now the US which were not part of US state or other hostilities against US Native Ameriaricans (that wa a typo but it's so good I'm leaving it; big fat fingers on a small keyboard...well, not fat just huge). Examples are the Battle of Sitka (Russians and Tlinkits) or the Battle of Port Gamble (American troops/ship vs British/Russian territory Haida and Tlinkit. This page was c;rated to be for everything but the Indian Wars, because of the US-centric historical associations of the phrase, even though it's the only way to normally describee such wars as happened in Mexico and Canada, though more in Canada I suppose than in Mex; likewise between the Russians and Alaska Natives. This is was what went down on Talk:Indian Wars anyway. I'm still not clear if colonial-era American wars were to be in this group, but that was the intent of this page; a dab line and a proper intro are i guess what's needed, explaining this in better fashion than I just have; and the list needs to be culled of things that are on Indian Wars, and that page already has a dab line directing non-US Indian wars (small-w) here. Should I just go for it and WP:Be Bold and start culling? - or maybe could someone stateside who's better at sorting them out; what's on Indian Wars should not (necessarily) be on Wars of the indigenous peoples of North America unless there's some kind of crossover reason. That's what i thought anyway, is that now "pooof!?". This is another instance of something I've raised on crossborder pages re the WP:OR WP:BC WP:WA turf on "shared articles", meaning shared between countries, like Talk:Columbia River implies, where the article can be made much better by joint input and mutual learning, and in cases like this to sort out difficult content and title issues. A better name for this page; but a start would be a better intro. to help direct away new additions to their proper location at Indian Wars. Unless I'm just not understanding what is on the page, it does seem to need sorting, though.Skookum1 (talk) 06:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)