Talk:Warriors (novel series)/Sep 2007

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[edit] Warrior's Return

Is the warrior's return thing real? i'm starting to think every new thing is vandalism. Shrewpelt 17:02, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't see anything about 'Warrior's Return".....  Bella Swan(Talk!) 21:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Someone had it down as the title of the third manga, saying that it came from a Borders poster. Actually, the title is on a free Warriors poster made by HarperCollins (making it legit, I think), which can be found at Borders (I snagged one when I went to buy the deluxe edition of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows). It's got descriptions of the series, and some quizzes, and says that the second and third manga volumes will be out in "Winter 2008" and "Fall 2008," respectively. No, I don't know how that makes sense, but it's there, all on the poster. Go pick one up in the bookstore and see. But, I suppose, we could just wait until the dates surface on Tokyopop's site or whatever. TakaraLioness 22:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, that's odd. I can't find it anywhere on the internet and I don't think you can cite a Border's poster...guess we should just wait.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 22:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah. Okay then. TakaraLioness 22:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
It's funny...I used to be really impatient all the time, but when I started the Warriors weries and had to wait for books, I became really patient. Hmm.  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 11:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Covers

ElectricTurahk: I know you have proof that the cats on Into the Wild and Midnight are Rusty and Brambleclaw. I also have proof that the cat on The Darkest Hour is Firestar but everybody says "it's not proven". Can we leave that out, considering that no other book has it?

72.154.53.67 12:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 72.154.53.67 12:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

But because there is proof, it's all right to be included (Show me The Darkest Hour proof - despite it being incredibly obvious - and I'll back you up there.). And if we have the info, why not include it? --~|ET|~(Talk|Contribs) 14:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I see your point, but still. Yanno where I'm coming from?

...kay then. There is a scene in which Firestar drinks from a pool and sees his reflection as a lion.

If we can prove that, why not post the covers for every book, when almost every cover can be proved? :P

72.154.53.67 19:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 72.154.53.67 19:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Why not? I wasn't around during the last time this happened, but I do have a suggestion. Find the reasoning. Put it on the talk page. Add it in. If it's disputed, discuss it. And by discuss it, I mean each individual cover, not as a whole - that's what I think the problem was last time. --~|ET|~(Talk|Contribs) 20:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, yes. I can do that. But not now, maybe later...

72.154.53.67 23:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 72.154.53.67 23:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Alright, then, I'm ready. :P By the way, these are my opinions, but they're not stupid stuff like "omg da covr off into th wild is hollypaw and lionpaw!!!!!!"

Into the Wild: Cover: Spottedleaf telling Bluestar the prophecy. The area of the forest looks like a clearing, and Spottedleaf's den is in a clearing. Spottedleaf is a dappled tortoiseshell, while Bluestar is a blue-gray cat. Spottedleaf in the picture is black and ginger/brown, and the Bluestar is gray.

Fire and Ice: Cover: The battle at the gorge. The sky is rosy, like a tinge of dawn, and the cats have the battle in early morning. The battle is near a slight waterfall, like there is in the gorge. The land is pretty normal, like no trees, like WindClan or RiverClan territory around there. Center Cover: Fireheart and Graystripe holding vigil. The moon is nearly full, and there was a Gathering just a few nights after they became warriors. They are sitting side-by-side, as they are during their vigil. One is ginger and the other gray, just like Fireheart and Graystripe.

Forest of Secrets: Cover: Two cats going across the stepping-stones to RiverClan. It is unknown who these two cats are, but I personally think they're Fireheart and Graystripe. Center Cover: Fireheart. There is no other ginger cat in the series, and he is the point of view for the series, as well as the main character.

Rising Storm: Cover: Fireheart following Whitethroat and Littlecloud under the Thunderpath, and a cat following him (this could be debated as to whether it's Sandstorm or Tigerclaw, but I personally think it's Tigerclaw). The cats waiting have the same coloring, and the ginger cat looks like Fireheart. The other cat could be Tigerclaw since he stalks Fireheart, or Sandstorm as she's with Fireheart in this scene. Center Cover: Hardcover: Fireheart and Cloudpaw. Fireheart is bright ginger, like this cat, and his apprentice is Cloudpaw, which is fluffy and white like this cat. Paperback: Fireheart and Sandstorm. Fireheart is bright ginger, like the foremost cat, and Sandstorm is paler ginger, like the cat behind Fireheart. Plus, Fireheart and Sandstorm seem to be doing a lot together in this book.

A Dangerous Path: Cover: The confrontation over the prey stealers. The two lines aren't fighting each other, but seem to be posed to attack, and also seem tense (as they are in the book). But then, on the official Warriors website, it says this is ShadowClan territory, so you'll have to find something that fits this. ><; Center Cover: Fireheart and Bramblepaw. Fireheart is bright ginger, like this cat, and his apprentice is Bramblepaw, who is a dark brown tabby like this cat.

The Darkest Hour: Cover: Firestar, Sandstorm, Graystripe, and Bramblepaw watching the dawn in the final scene of the book. The sky is that of either sunset or dawn, and also, the official Warriors website says this is Fourtrees. Center Cover: Firestar seeing his reflection as a lion. The cat is ginger, like Firestar, and is drinking from a pool with a lion reflected.

Midnight: Cover: The six (continued on back) journey cats. There are six of them, and also, the official Warriors website says this is Highstones, which they pass during their quest.

Moonrise: Cover: The six journey cats (continued on back) heading home through the mountains, with Sharptooth's shadow. The mountains are snowy, like they are in Moonrise, and the shadow only appears on the front. Center Cover: Feathertail. The cat is a silver tabby with blue eyes, which Feathertail is. Stormfur is a dark gray cat with amber eyes.

Dawn: Cover: The Clans looking into the star-reflected lake at their new home as dawn comes up. There are many cats, and they're by a lake with a pink tinge of dawn on the sky. Center Cover: Squirrelpaw. The book is from her point of view, and the cat is ginger with green eyes, like Squirrelpaw.

Starlight: Cover: The cats fighting over Mudclaw's leadership. It's the only real fight in the book. Center Cover: Leafpool. The book is from her point of view, and the cat is a brown/ginger tabby with amber eyes, like her.

Twilight: Cover: ThunderClan as the badgers attack. There are badgers at the bottom, and it's in a hollow like ThunderClan's camp. Center Cover: Crowfeather. The cat is a smallish (WindClan-looking), dark gray cat with blue eyes. Crowfeather is a dark gray cat with blue/amber eyes. It could be debated whether this is Crowfeather or Cinderpelt.

Sunset: Cover: Leafpool looking into the lake during her dream. There is a lone cat, and it is looking into a lake with a single path of stars. Center Cover: Hawkfrost. The cat is an evil-looking dark brown tabby with ice-blue eyes.

The Sight: Cover: A thunderstorm. Do I really need to explain? Center Cover: Hollypaw, Jaypaw, and Lionpaw. The cats are gray with blue eyes, black with green eyes, and ginger with amber eyes, like Hollypaw, Jaypaw, and Lionpaw.

Secrets of the Clans: Cover: Shadowstar, Windstar and Riverstar under a starry sky. They fit with the center cover. Center Cover: Thunderstar. He is ginger with amber eyes, and he fits with Shadowstar, Windstar and Riverstar. These could be muchly debated.

The Lost Warrior: Cover: Graystripe and Millie confronting Duke and his gang. What else, really, could it be? Center Cover: Graystripe. The cat is shaggy gray, and the book is about Graystripe.

My input. :P

66.157.101.194 13:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 66.157.101.194 13:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm afraid I don't think this is enough to say that we know for positive that the characters can be named on the covers. I'm getting really sick of always explaining this. If you would like to know why this isn't enough proof, please see the following conversation. I know you think it sucks or whatever, but it's the rule and I would really appreciate it if no one else would bring up this argument again. Thanks,  Bella Swan(Talk!) 21:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

ElectricTurahk asked. :/ So that's why I posted it. D:

72.154.53.234 13:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 72.154.53.234 13:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It's alright, I just kind of lost my temper there, sorry. I just would like to ask that no one posts anthing about this in the future unless they have written proof from the authors.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 15:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I pissed you off, I only brought it up because I did have proof for two the novels, but I've already explained those two. The others... Yeah, whatever... --~|ET|~(Talk|Contribs) 20:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
It's OK.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 20:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Personally I think we should just ask whoever designed the covers. If not that person then one of the Erin Hunters. ~Rainpaw

YARRRRRRGH!!!!! Do NOT say the "P" word! This is Wikipedia, not some forum where anyone can just mouth off any profanity you want to! OK, enough ranting...pant...anyway, I agree with Rainpaw. However, on Kate's OAQ page it says not to ask about the covers, that she only writes the books, not designs them. Man! BTW, here's the link: http://www.theguttersnipe.co.uk/  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 12:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't like the "P" word either, and would not like people to use it in the future, but Spottedstripe, I think you were getting just a little bit over the top since it was only the second time he did it. P.S. This sig looks amazing Spottedstripe!

 Bella Swan(Talk!) 13:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm a dude. --~|ET|~(Talk|Contribs) 17:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Bella. Yes, I did get a little bit mad. I'm sorry, just one of my pet peeves is cussing, and since you see it everywhere these days...sometimes I just want to yell. I apologize, ElectricTurahk.  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 16:23, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Well we don't have to ask Kate. Who designed the covers? ~Rainpaw

Hm...well, I guess it would have to be someone at Harper Collins.  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 11:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
~|ET|~-- Sorry about the pronoun; I do that all the time and I'm really sorry. Didn't you also say that you were a member of wands and worlds? Is there any chance that you could explain this situation in one of those chats w/ the authors and just ask them to verify the info so we can cite it?  Bella Swan(Talk!) 17:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
No, I'm not a member; I don't want to have to pay to be able to post. I have been there, though. I think Spottedstripe's a member... Right? If really necessary, then somebody could ask in one of the chats, whenever the next one is. --~|ET|~(Talk|Contribs) 19:18, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I didn't really know who it was but I think someone said they were a member in one of the archives on this talk page.... I would have done it myself but I didn't want to have to pay the fee either.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 19:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

TakraLioness is a member maybe she can ask. Griffenflash 19:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes! That's who was saying they were a member...I'll ask her on her talk page.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 21:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I just asked her and she said that she'll try to ask if she can make the next chat.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 22:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Ha ha, I wish I was a member, ET. Unfortunatly (I probably spelled that wrong) I just spent that last of my spendings account on a copy of Zelda Windwaker, so I'd have to wait for my next allowance. How much do you have to pay to become a member?  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 20:42, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

$5.00 per year, I'm not a member but I asked the same thing and you use PayPal, with a credit card to pay for it. Griffenflash 17:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Another thought, I'll as her if she can also ask about the "play" about Crowfeather's kits from the WindClan page. Griffenflash 18:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

What is the "play" about Crowfeather's kits from the Windclan page? Spottedstripe- Zelda Windwaker is the most AMAZING game- have fun!  Bella Swan(Talk!) 18:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

She says she'll try. It's a talk Leafpool and Crowfeather have after Sunset and they just met randomly but their Clans turn up and almost have a battle. The issue is Crowfeather says he kits but it was supposed to be performed in Vicky's last tour somewhere but they ran out of time. So it could just be non-canon. Griffenflash 23:12, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

You can find the link to the play on the Warriors site, in the new section. I don't know whether to count it as canon or not. It could kind of be like Jo Rowling's Black Family Tree for the Harry Potter series, which has a bit of a disputed status, but that's just mostly with the dates (though Jo admits to being bad at math; kind of like how Erin Hunter admit to not being able to keep up with their cats) than the people on it. Couldn't we just make a note of the script's implication of Crowfeather having more than one kit, though just saying that it may not be cannon? Until we get it all sorted out, I mean. Er. If we already have that or don't want it, forgive me and just forget what I said. TakaraLioness 22:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
So, was this thing supposed to be an actual play? You know, like singing, fighting on-stage, people wearing costumes, etc. Oh, and Bella, Windwaker is really fun, but I think my brother has played it more than I have...and I paid for it! :)  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 11:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, no not singing or fighting. It's just a drama, it seems, but yeah, I'd say it is a play. I know it got acted out at some of Vicky's tour stops, though I'm not sure if they had costumes or not. TakaraLioness 16:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I think we should make a new section, this is WAY long and not about covers anymore. And I agree, it is a play. CrowstarVaseline-on-the-lens-Jitsu!fwends! 16:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, isn't funny how you start a discussion about one thing, and by the time it's over it's about something else? Huh. Oh, and welcome back, Crowstar! I like the new siggy, but I have to ask...what in the world is a Vaseline-on-the-lens-Jitsu?  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 12:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Lost Warrior Article

Personally I think some work need to be done on the article. It acts as if the book hasn't been released yet and doesn't talk about the story at all. It also talks about the 'note' from Erin Hunter but we already know what it says. ~Rainpaw

I think SotC should be rewritten too, it's basically notes on how we knew the book would be like, and 1 paragraph detailing what it's about. ~Crowstar~ 20:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I could give it a shot if you like. I just joined wikipedia not too long ago but I'm a big fan of the warriors series and I have those two books. I can't say how good I'll be but... Barn Cat 22:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to to do Secrets of the Clans. 75.41.213.49 13:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Ugghh. Never mind. I can't do the articles. I have to do a lot of work for another article, sorry. Barn Cat 15:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

And while we're at it, Dark River could be remade into a similar fashion like Outcast was... I suppose I could do that myself... --~|ET|~(Talk|Contribs) 16:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

All right, this is what I'm doing for SotC. I'm going to keep the first paragraph and the excerpt link, but I'm going to delete all the little previews from the authors and the footnote section. Then I'll place sections for every chapter (except the territories chapter, because it's just maps) in the book: Clans, Places (modified name for Beyond the Territories), Ceremonies, Breaking the Warrior Code, Prophecies and Omens, Medicine, Cats Outside the Clans, Other Animals, Mythology, and the Glossary. Tell me what you think. I'll do it soon if everyone's okay with what I'm doing. 75.41.213.49 18:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

So you'll basically turn it into the Clan page? :P --~|ET|~(Talk|Contribs) 18:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I really don't recommend redoing Dark River at all because when I figured out it was nominated for deletion, I worked real hard on it and fixed it up, but they still ended up deleting it with the idea that it was too early to really know too much about the book, and when the book came out we'd make an article about it. If you do want to remake the article, I suggest you talk it over with Metros, because he was the one who nominated it for deletion in the first place. ~Bella 18:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'm doing the Secrets of the Clans rewrite on Tuesday if no one has anything to say about rewriting it. So speak up! Shrewpelt 15:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I say go ahead, and it probably will be looking a lot like the Clan page, but I think it should be shorter, so it just shows a basic overveiw of the Clan page, not everything from the book has to be added.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 16:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

That's pretty much what I'm thinking. Shrewpelt 19:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Then I say, go for it, and be bold! :)  Bella Swan(Talk!) 00:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Started! Shrewpelt 14:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Finished! I don't think it's great, but it's better then it was before. What do you think? If you think it's really bad, I'll change it back. Shrewpelt 15:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It's much better then what it was, but I deleted the Glossary and Pictures section because they provided no real information. I would think that you might be able to quote the book, and list all the herbs used in the books. (I would be doing this if I had the book!) I just think it's a little too general, I think the rest of the section could be beefed up. Anyone who has the book could help out a lot with this!  Bella Swan(Talk!) 18:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's a start. 75.37.214.171 22:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I good start, :) It looks a lot better then what it started out as. :)  Bella Swan(Talk!) 12:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I own the book, and maybe I could help to beef it up a bit, but no promises. I will probably just be deleted by a certain SOMEONE whose name I WILL NOT SAY...sorry, just had to get that out. Anyway, sure, what have I got to lose?  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 11:56, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey, someone really DID clean up the Secrets of the Clans page! It looks sooo much better. Can whoever did it please speak up so we can congratulate you personally?  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 11:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I did it. Shrewpelt 12:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, duh. I'm sorry, Shrewpelt, but I wasn't paying attention to the earlier discussion. However, you did do a very good job. Great work! :)  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 23:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Shrewpelt 16:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Manga Series???

I havent seen anything about Warriors Return, I think somebody should take it down unless yje person who put it up can cite their reference —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.154.85 (talk) 17:11, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Ummm...it is cited. Bella Swan 18:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Plus, The Lost Warrior has been out since...when? May? Anyway, of course the sequel's on the way. they wouldn't just leave it a cliff hanger.  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 23:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)