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[edit] Borough and Town

We have Warrington and Warrington, England -- why? I could understand if one was the town and the other the borough containing the town, but they both seem to cover both the borough and the town. Marnanel 06:45, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Good point. Ideally we would have a hierarchy as follows:-

Top level - Warrington (Borough)

2nd level - the old "Civil Parishes" that make up the borough - including Warrington (the old County Borough)

3rd level - districts within the Civil Parishes

However I wonder how much detail we can have for a borough of 200,000 population!

Is Warrington the 3rd largest town in the UK ? The figure of 193,000 surely relates to the Borough which is much bigger than the town. Figures of less the 100000 are usually given for the town.

I don't know who made the immediately preceding comment, but I think it makes a good suggestion in so much as at the moment, the Borough and the actual town are merged together into one article. It would be more consistent to have separate entries dealing with the Borough and then the town, and, at the same level in the hierarchy as the town, the civil parishes. This has been done with the other unitary authority within Ceremonial Cheshire: Halton, and it is also evident in the distinction between the borough of Chester (district) and Chester. This separation is also evident in other similar cases across the entire country.  DDStretch  (talk) 09:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


Not sure if this is the correct heading for me to ask this, but why is so little reference made to the impact of being designated a new town? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertdemon (talk • contribs) 17:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Parish of Bold

The last line in the section on civil parishes says something about the Parish of Bold. Makes no sense to me. I traced the page edit history and discovered that the section has always had this line in it (it was added July 2004). Any ideas?

Not a great mystery. The parish of Bold was divided in the local government reorganisation of 1973 with most of it going to St Helens and a small part going to Warrington.

[edit] Stations

Bank Quay station is here described as being of archirectural merit and being a great Victorian structure. Neither statement is true. Will edit unless someone objects.

Exile 21:23, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Are you sure they are not referring to Central Station (admittedly not of architectual merit but it is of Victorian Style) I live in Warrington and use this station at least once a week User: djm127920:43 14 Oct 2005

[edit] Knutsford

Where did the editor who added this get the idea that Knutsford was part of Warrington, yes admittedly it isn't far but its under the leadership of Cheshire County Council not Warrington Borough Council. Was it the fact it had a "WA" postcode? (I can possibly understand) but two digits after the prefix do not denote Warrington, but the surronding area. NB its been removed by myself, but just as a matter of intrest. Medscin 20:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Size of Warrington, and lack of professional football team

Warrington isn't the second (or even third) largest town in England. There are several larger places that do not hold city status, even if you take the entire "conurbation" figure of Warrington at 158,195, rather than the "town" figure of 80,661.

Taken from the ONS figures: Reading (232,662), Dudley (194,919), Northampton (189,474), Luton (185,543), Milton Keynes (184,506), Walsall (170,994), Bournemouth (167,527) and Southend on Sea (160,257) are all larger than the entire Warrington urban area. Of these, Dudley also does not possess a professional football team.

If measurement is taken by Local Authority, then there are many authorities that do not hold city status that have a larger population than Warrington Borough - for example, Kirklees, East Yorkshire, Stockport, Wirral, Wigan, Dudley, Doncaster, Sandwell, Bolton, Walsall, Rotherham, etc. etc. etc.

What can be said is that the population of the Local Authority called "Warrington Borough Council" is the sixth largest Local Authority that does not contain a town that holds city status, is not a Metropolitan Borough, or is not a London Borough; or the third largest Local Authority that takes its name from a town contained within the boundaries of the Local Authority, that does not contain a town that holds city status, is not a Metropolitan Borough, or is not a London Borough...

In other words - no, it's not. Sorry!

See List of English districts by population and List of English cities by population. Steven J 10:51, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Census Data

In case you dont know it already Go to [1]. Type in Warrington. Click Search, and choose the the link to Warrington (Unitary Authority),click on "health and care",and the first stats box shows the life expectancy. For housing click on "housing and households", abd scroll down. Ta Medscin 18:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Was I too hasty?

In the course of my RC patrol today, I reverted an edit by 195.93.21.103 that removed a couple of paragraphs of data. It's possible that this was a good faith edit and not vandalism; when on patrol, I tend to assume that removals of data without edit summaries are vandalism, and I may have assumed incorrectly in this case. If it was indeed a good faith edit, please revert my reversion and accept my apologies. --stephenw32768<talk> 21:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't look like blatant vandalism, but I can't see the point in removing those paragraphs either, so I would say the reversion was justified. Guy Hatton 08:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parish Church of St. Elphin - putative Civil War damage

Whist I feel quite confident in having refuted certain Civil War myths relating in particular to where Cromwell and the Earl of Derby lodged, the question of the supposed 'dents' in the walls of the parish church caused by munitions is more difficult for me. My suspicion is that the extensive renovation in the 1770s, and especially the almost total C19 rebuild, which is the origin of the church we see today, would make it highly unlikely that there are any such survivals from the 1640s. However, I would welcome more informed input on this before I go ahead and alter the main article. Guy Hatton 23:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

I apologize for briefly "vandalizing" this page. Even though everything appeared correct in the preview, apparently my browser or myself were having some issues. Someone reverted the page already. I love Wikipedia. :-) I'll try adding my info from another browser later. --Millard73 20:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No Photos?

I think this article would benefit from a couple of photos showing present-day Warrington - does anyone have any around?

I have added a picture of the town hall gates Racklever 14:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I have a whole load - if you can excercise a bit of patience, I'll get round to sorting some out eventually :-) Guy Hatton 22:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Definition of a Warringtonian

Hey, I know this is a pedants point, but what would you define as a Warringtonian. I would take it to be someone born in Warrington, not just someone living there.

Allow me to use myself an example:

I was born in Warrington, I've remained here since then, however, my parents have lived here for a fair few years, but mum was born in Bolton, dad in Skem, but they don't call themselves Warringtonians.

Just a bit more than my two years.

-DannyM 19:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that's a little too restrictive. I was actually born in Bowdon, but to parents who were both born in Warrington, and who were resident in Warrington at the time of my birth. I also lived there for the first eighteen years of my life. I most definitely consider myself a Warringtonian :-) Guy Hatton 00:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough, but Bowdon isn't that far out of Warrington (still has a Warrington postcode), if you moved from Warrington to Glasgow, would you become Glaswegian(sp??). DannyM 20:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project concerning Cheshire

Myself and a group of others have just begun to set up a project which aims to improve all wikipedia articles concerned with Cheshire. Warrington, being part of the Ceremonial county of Cheshire, is part of that. The fine details of the Cheshire Wikiproject are being specified in more details now. We invite anyone who is reading this and interested in it to join. Our overall aim is get all articles that are relevant to Cheshire into Featured Articles, as well as expanding the coverage wikipedia has of all aspects of Cheshire. Please feel free to add your name to the list of participants to the project where indicated, and, especially, to join in in specifying the developing the specific delatils of the project on its talk page. Please also consider adding both the project page and its talk page to your watchlist.  DDStretch  (talk) 12:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warrington map... wrong?

The OTRS received a note complaining that the map was 30 miles off. The message says it is shown about 30 miles too far north. Can someone look into this? Thanks! ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 23:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

If you mean the map on the article whose talk page this is, then I don't see any problem with it. It is a unitary authority abutting the northern boundary of the shire county of Cheshire, and that is where it is shown on the map. However, if one could see the actual message in which the complaint was made, perhaps my own lingering bewilderment over the nature of this complaint could be clarified.  DDStretch  (talk) 01:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
The email was only two lines and I gave you all the information it contained. Unfortunately I can't reprint the email here verbatim due to OTRS regulations. Sorry I don't have any more information to clarify the request. Thank you for verifying the accuracy. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 12:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

There's definitely something wrong with the map. Warrington is located (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=53.38732,-2.60288&spn=0.3,0.3&q=53.38732,-2.60288) south of the northermost point of the Wirral. Perhaps the fault in the map is that it doesn't correctly depict the Wirral peninsula. It seems to be missing the portion which is part of Merseyside. In fact the Merseyside article map makes the same mistake - although later in the Merseyside article 'district 5' is apparently shown properly.

I was born in Warrington, Lancashire - but left in 1969. At that time 'Merseyside' was used to describe the area where the Beatles came from, not as the name of a county. I learned a few years ago that Warrington is now in Cheshire. Maybe these fluid boundaries have created uncertainty. Pavium 23:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed explanation of what you see to be wrong. I can see exactly what you mean. If one looks at the more recent, local maps of the ceremonial county of Cheshire (see Lymm, for example), I think the positioning is correct. The problem is that a comparatively old map has been used in the Warrington article that none of us in the Cheshire WikiProject have had any involvement with. This old map, as far as I can tell, has ignored the substantial water that forms part of the Mersey estuary, and has thus run Wirral penisular together with the land on the other side of the Mersey. If that was corrected, then the positioning of the town of Warrington would probably be correct if it could be pinpointed within the red area that shows the entire borough, given the scale of the map and the limits of calibration. The position of the entire borough would seem to be less of an issue once the problem of how wirral has been joined to the northern bank of the Mersey estuary were solved. In fact, I suspect that the entire problem has, as its root, the badly depicted position and shape of wirral. However, another issue is relevant here that needs solving: the fact that it would probably be better to split the article, so as to have separate articles for the borough and for the town of Watrrington. That way, the town map could use the same map as shown in Lymm, and not risk causing confusion of the area of the twon and the area of the borough on this old map (in this article.) Does that make sense at all?  DDStretch  (talk) 00:38, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Looking specifically at the split topic - I'd be for a split of the article to form seperate "Warrington" (town proper) and "Warrington (borough)" articles, but only on the grounds that we could find adequate and ample material to support both articles independantly. My first questions on the split would be, 1. Where does the town of Warrington end (unofficially if need be) and the borough of Warrington begin? 2. What advantages would we gain for the article? -- Jza84 · (talk) 01:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pete McCarthy?

Surely Pete McCarthy should be included in the notable residents lists?

[edit] Borough article

Re: discussion above, todo list, and my talk page: having an article about the borough is a reasonable idea. There are several ways to do it:

  • Treat it like an area that the town is within, like Winchester being a city in the City of Winchester district -- City of Winchester is about the area, not just the administration (it's a bad example, because the city of Winchester article is a stub, but still)
  • Treat it like a subarticle of Warrington dealing with administrative issues, like Bournemouth (borough) is a subarticle of Bournemouth -- the Bournemouth (borough) article is about the town's administration
  • Similar to the above, many settlements use "Politics of ..." articles, e.g. Politics of Bristol, which are equivalent to the "Bournemouth (borough)" article, but with a slightly wider scope

I don't know anything about this particular town and borough, so I can't pick which one is more appropriate. Joe D (t) 21:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I think your first option is the best. I've read through the article, and it does seem quite confused at times about what is being referred to: for example, in the geography section, apart from errors (such as stating that Warrington is bordered to the south-west by Congleton0, the placesthat border Warrington seem to be a mixture of places that border the borough and places that border the town. I think this needs addressing with some urgency, and so unless people fdeel moved to object, I will make the first moves soon.  DDStretch  (talk) 14:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Weather

How old is the weather data? I really can't believe that Penketh's January temperature is now as low as that (42/33F).

Compare with (also from Weatherbase) Liverpool 44/36 and Manchester 44/35. Weatherbase doesn't seem to give the actual years used.

Exile 16:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Too many lists

There are too many lists in this article (see Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements#Dos and Don'ts and WP:LISTS for guidelines.) The sections that need most attention are the ones listi8ng the civil parishes and the suburbs. I've done some minor editing of the civil parishes list (changed the entries to the official names, all of which have articles on here, even if they are stubs), and I've removed all the redlinks in the list of suburbs and parts of Warrington. However, they need to be replaced with text if at all possible. The list of parishes is a bit redundant, given the template at the end, and so might possibly be removed, but more needs to be done. Any suggestions on how to do this?  DDStretch  (talk) 17:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Is there anybody out these willing and able to convert the pink table into an infobox? WP:UKCITIES now recommends Template:Infobox settlement for places coterminate with local government districts. This would bring Warrington more inline with Manchester and Liverpool. -- Jza84 · (talk) 14:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Once the above is actioned, it might be suitable to put this image into the infobox. Cheers, --Jza84 |  Talk  19:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notable residents

THis section is of quite poor quality at the moment, as most entries have no citations which verify the claim that the people are notable residents of Warrington. The advice given in WP:BLP applies here, as well as past discussions on WP:RS (see Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources#Wikipedia as a source?.) Furthermore, if any any point Warrington is nominated as a Good Article or Featured Article, citations in this article will be required from reliable sources verifying the entries. Consequently, I've removed all unreferenced entries from the section and placed them here in accordance with advice I received. When the entries have appropriate citations and verification (see WP:CITE, and WP:V), they can be re-added to the section which, at some point, needs to be rewritten as text and not as a list (see WP:UKCITIES as a guide). Note that a wikilink to an article which may or may not contain appropriate verification and citation is not sufficient: the actual verification and citation must occur in this article for the entry to be retained in this article. Finally, I think we should be alert to requiring new entries to have the appropriate verificatioon at the point of entry, or else suffer from removal here or deletion immediately they are seen.  DDStretch  (talk) 10:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)