Talk:Warrenpoint ambush

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Contents 1 Name 2 Inclusion in Category:People_killed_by_IRA 3 Battle infobox 4 Team editing to make provisional SF more electorally attractive 5 WikiProject class rating 6 Removal of Warrenpoint Ambush Ryhme 7 The Tricolour

[edit] Name

I added an 'also known as' for "Warrenpoint massacre" -- this is what the BBC refers to it as -- even if I don't necessarily agree. If someone finds it inappropriate, be my guest and remove it. - Francis Tyers · 22:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inclusion in Category:People_killed_by_IRA

Until and unless we can include the names of all 18 people killed in this incident, I think this article should remain categorised as above since to do otherwise might seem to belittle the relevance of their deaths.

The difficulty with that approach is, of course, that each individual may not pass the notability test. ...Gaimhreadhan^{(kiwiexile at DMOZ)} • 18:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

If there was an individual article about an individual the was killed then this category would apply.--Vintagekits 18:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The category is now a sub-cat of Category:Provisional IRA actions, which should solve the problem. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that is a topological impossibility, Sir.

No references have been provided in the article to substantiate that this was one of the Category:Provisional IRA actions and even if they were, Category:Provisional IRA actions should be a sub-category of Category:Republican actions. WP advice is that it is not wrong to have overlapping and simultaneous categorisation.

In line with WP policy I have added this article to the categorisation Category:British Army since their units indubitably took part. If we can not find a reference substantiating IRA involvement then I would suggest adding this article to two new super categories: Category:Republican killings and Category:Loyalist killings (since one British civilian was killed by forces loyal to the crown). W. Frank 14:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

The IRA involvement is referenced, by the footnote at the end of the paragraph. There's ample more references available for it as well. Category:Provisional IRA actions should not be a sub-category of Category:Republican killings, at it currently includes actions where people did not die. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 14:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Is there a sub category of Category:British Army with Category:British Army killings?--Vintagekits 14:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle infobox

I think the article is in need of a battle infobox. Any opinions about?. DagosNavy 00:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Fuck off, but thanks for the idea. Maybe I'll give the Bloody Sunday article one. I bet your quite annoyed that Argentina lost the Falklands War. No?. So like an insurgent, no better than the your ancestors who lived in Spain at the time of Napoleon, you take to using someone elses conflict to get your aims and across. --posted by User:84.64.213.101

My ancestors lived mainly in Italy, not in Spain at the time of Napoleon. Yeah, Argentina lost the Falklands war, I assume that fact, I have not trouble with, but that was 25 years ago, and life continued as usual, so I think you lost the bet. Frankly, who appears somewhat annoyed about the failure of the Brits to beat a small bunch of well armed peasants after 30 or so years of struggle seems to be you. Thanks for calling me an "insurgent". It's better to be an insurgent than a coward asshole who makes a personal attack from the anonymity.

To other Wikipedia members, my apologies for using such unfair language, specially to the users from Britain. I have no personal feelings against anybody, only for those who use Wikipedia to make Inflammatory and improper statements. Sorry again. DagosNavy August 14 2007, 02:20 (UTC)

You tell em - Viva los Provo de la República Argentina! ;)--Vintagekits 23:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

As the song says: "Well, I have been a provo for 15 years or more" ;)

Tiocfaidh ár lá!. Thank you, Vintagekits. DagosNavy 15:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

"Would you like a cheeseburger Bobby Sands?....." It is childish and outdated - we can go on forever passing insults - advocates of terrorism such as Vintagekits should be locked up.

"the failure of the Brits to beat a small bunch of well armed peasants after 30 or so " - the last time I checked the IRA had surrendered their arms. Ulster is still in the UK. Who couldnt beat who? I am confused at this interpretation?!?!?!? The success of the peace process and the fact that Ulster will in time be re-united with Eire is living proof that the murdering scum who fabricated a cause with such dire consequences on their communities should hang their heads in shame. As for the Falklands..... one set of Colonials claiming an island from another is laughable. Your typical Argentianian isnt indigenous to the region. The Spanish saw to that. When a South American Indian has a claim to the Falklands I would like it to be handed over freely. lol. Until then.... GROW UP!203.120.68.73 17:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)thesensibleone

Instead of dropping your venom here, please, calm down and read the link posted below by Domer48, or go to the article about the Provisional IRA campaign 1969-1997, British Army Assessment section. The last time I checked out, the British Army had withdrawn from Catholic areas of NI, like South Armagh, dismantling their costly and uselesses bases. Ah, I almost forget this; remember, the Saxons are Germans, they are not indigenous to the region (The so called UK, I mean). And yes, I've already grown up enough to sign up my comments as a registered user; it doesn't seem to be your case, son.

DagosNavy 00:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Ye right. --Domer48 18:55, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Team editing to make provisional SF more electorally attractive

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Currently we have a team of editors (including, but not limited to: User:Brixton Busters, User:BigDunc, User:Domer48, User:Padraig, User:Vintagekits) that edit a consistent set of our articles in such a way as to introduce a consistent bias and ambiguity.

These editors act in relay to avoid technically breaching 3RR and consistently seek to push a minority POV endorsed by PIRA and their political wing that is to the political electoral advantage of provisional SF.

The pattern to these team editors contributions is as follows:

(1) There have been, and are currently, many flavours of political organisations including in their name the letters "IRA". These team editors consistently seek to muddy and obfuscate the distinctions between the pre 1920 IRA, the Continuity IRA (CIRA), the Official IRA (OIRA), the Provisional IRA (PIRA), the Real IRA (RIRA), and other sects. They do this by trying to obliterate any reference that clarifies that PIRA is meant in the article preferring the wholly ambiguous "IRA" instead. The political purpose of these team edits is to reduce the political significance of the competing groupings.

(2) These team editors consistently seek to muddy and obfuscate the distinctions between the pre 1920 IRA, CIRA, OIRA, PIRA, RIRA and other sects. They do this in order to mislead our readers into believing that PIRA is the direct political heir of the pre 1920 IRA and achieve greater "electoral respectability" for provisional SF thereby. This is why the team editors engage in revert warring to try to obliterate any reference that clarifies that PIRA is meant in the article and instead insert the wholly ambiguous "IRA" instead. The political purpose of these team edits is again to reduce the political significance of the competing groupings and enhance that of current political groupings sympathetic to PIRA.

(3) They seek to remove any reference to terrorism and the victims of terrorism – except when they are "PIRA-approved victims" as in our Bloody Sunday (1972) article – as in our Bloody Friday (1972)‎ article. Compare and contrast our articles with PIRA involvement and our articles with Islamic terrorist] involvement. Note the lede in World Trade Center bombing where the team's interest and influence is extremely low and the howls of anguish when that "naughty word" is used correctly to reflect the overwhelming available authoritative sources with regard to PIRA actions where non-combatants were murdered and mutilated.

According to Jimmy Wales, NPOV is "absolute and non-negotiable." W. Frank talk ✉  16:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Update relevant to biased editing:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6947532.stm W. Frank talk ✉  22:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Nice piece you have written - pity its not true.--Vintagekits 22:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

He has been spamming this nonsense on every article where his POV pushing has been rejected, he has also made it clear that he has no interest in discussing the issue, and intends to continue to edit war on the issue.--padraig 12:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Please don't tell lies Padraig - it will get you blocked again.

1) I have only posted a similar comment on four specific article discussion pages - whereas there are dozens where a similar comment would be appropriate

2) There is a time to listen and a time to speak. I've been observing for more than 3 months now. I've spoken above and I've also spoken here: [1]

 W. Frank talk ✉  23:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 09:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Warrenpoint Ambush Ryhme

The ryhme included at the end of the article is not factual, informative or helpful. It also strays near the border against neutrality. For that reason, I am removing it. Microphotographer 18:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Well done. --John 18:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I am a Republican supporter, but I agree that there is some degree of bias in the rhyme. Best regards. DagosNavy 19:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Agree, not needed. Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 08:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Tricolour

The Tricolour represents the Republican desire for a United Ireland, and predates the Irish Republic, please don't remove it from the infobox.--Padraig (talk) 09:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you, Padraig.DagosNavy 23:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)